QB Carson Wentz NDSU 6'5 225 Lbs

Baalke hash NDSU ties so wouldn't be surprised to see him as a Niner...the more I look at the draft prospects the more I'd be fine with a trade down in the first. Trade down for Buckner, grab another 2nd get wentz and grab a OG with the other 2nd. I could live with that.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Bumping this thread as I see Carson as the best option for the 49ers if they take a QB in the 2nd round, assuming that he doesn't have a rock em, sock em sort of offseason that bumps him higher.

Wentz is listed as being 6'6″ – 231 and while he may not be quite that tall when he measures at an All Star game or the Combine he still is taller than most quarterbacks playing in the NFL right now.

Despite his size, Wentz is a very good athlete with good speed, change of direction and body control. You may think that a quarterback the size of Wentz is stationary in the pocket. That is the furthest from the truth as he is a very good runner and does an excellent job keeping plays alive with his feet. When he does run he looks to finish and not slide when there is no more yardage available. He is a relentless competitor.

Wentz plays in a multi-offense and lines up both from under center and in the spread. The passing game has some sophistication to it and it requires the quarterback to go through a progression and has some whole field reads.

Unlike many of the college spread offenses we see, the North Dakota State offense doesn't have the quarterback make a high number of short throws at or around the line of scrimmage. This offense has the quarterback throwing the ball downfield. It is far more similar to a pro offense than many of the spreads we see quarterbacks running.

As a passer, Wentz shows he can set up quickly, go through a progression and get the ball out of his hands quickly. He has a very quick release and a strong arm. For the most part, he throws a tight ball with very good velocity. He is accurate and shows good ball placement skills. He seldom turns the ball over, and in four games this year, he has yet to throw an interception.

He is required to make a variety of throws and shows he can make any NFL type throw. He has good timing with his throw and shows he can throw with touch or drive the ball if necessary. He can easily make throws of 50+ yards with accuracy.

Wentz is a quick thinker and processes things quickly. He is a very good decision maker and you don't see him force throws. He also has a good feel for pass rushers and has the quick feet to avoid a pass rusher and extend the play. He does an excellent job throwing on the run with accuracy.

Looking at his stats, in his 1.5 years as a starter, he has thrown for close to 4100 yards, 65% completion percentage, 35 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He has also rushed for over 800 yards the last two seasons.

While generally level of competition is a concern when evaluating quarterbacks, I don't see any problems with this player. He has played well against FBS schools and won a FCS National Championship last year. He consistently shows poise and leadership and is in total command on the field.

While there will be a learning curve when he gets to the NFL, I can still see him becoming a starter very early in his career. The upside is he will develop into a quality starter. He has more talent than Jimmy Garoppolo from the 2014 draft and should get drafted higher. From what I have seen to date, I would have no problem pulling the trigger on this player in the first round.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/breaking-down-north-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz/

I'm not going to act like I know anything about this guy, but just by reading that post he sounds like a more athletic Joe Flacco.

Originally posted by HERN:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Bumping this thread as I see Carson as the best option for the 49ers if they take a QB in the 2nd round, assuming that he doesn't have a rock em, sock em sort of offseason that bumps him higher.

Wentz is listed as being 6'6″ – 231 and while he may not be quite that tall when he measures at an All Star game or the Combine he still is taller than most quarterbacks playing in the NFL right now.

Despite his size, Wentz is a very good athlete with good speed, change of direction and body control. You may think that a quarterback the size of Wentz is stationary in the pocket. That is the furthest from the truth as he is a very good runner and does an excellent job keeping plays alive with his feet. When he does run he looks to finish and not slide when there is no more yardage available. He is a relentless competitor.

Wentz plays in a multi-offense and lines up both from under center and in the spread. The passing game has some sophistication to it and it requires the quarterback to go through a progression and has some whole field reads.

Unlike many of the college spread offenses we see, the North Dakota State offense doesn't have the quarterback make a high number of short throws at or around the line of scrimmage. This offense has the quarterback throwing the ball downfield. It is far more similar to a pro offense than many of the spreads we see quarterbacks running.

As a passer, Wentz shows he can set up quickly, go through a progression and get the ball out of his hands quickly. He has a very quick release and a strong arm. For the most part, he throws a tight ball with very good velocity. He is accurate and shows good ball placement skills. He seldom turns the ball over, and in four games this year, he has yet to throw an interception.

He is required to make a variety of throws and shows he can make any NFL type throw. He has good timing with his throw and shows he can throw with touch or drive the ball if necessary. He can easily make throws of 50+ yards with accuracy.

Wentz is a quick thinker and processes things quickly. He is a very good decision maker and you don't see him force throws. He also has a good feel for pass rushers and has the quick feet to avoid a pass rusher and extend the play. He does an excellent job throwing on the run with accuracy.

Looking at his stats, in his 1.5 years as a starter, he has thrown for close to 4100 yards, 65% completion percentage, 35 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He has also rushed for over 800 yards the last two seasons.

While generally level of competition is a concern when evaluating quarterbacks, I don't see any problems with this player. He has played well against FBS schools and won a FCS National Championship last year. He consistently shows poise and leadership and is in total command on the field.

While there will be a learning curve when he gets to the NFL, I can still see him becoming a starter very early in his career. The upside is he will develop into a quality starter. He has more talent than Jimmy Garoppolo from the 2014 draft and should get drafted higher. From what I have seen to date, I would have no problem pulling the trigger on this player in the first round.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/breaking-down-north-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz/

I'm not going to act like I know anything about this guy, but just by reading that post he sounds like a more athletic Joe Flacco.

On paper, he sounds like a very good prospect. We'll see how he performs at the Senior Bowl, as I believe he's earned an invite. A good showing there will absolutely skyrocket his stock.

OTC would love to get your thoughts on most QB prospects

Originally posted by vrabbit:

OTC would love to get your thoughts on most QB prospects

I haven't had much chance to checkout QBs yet, but what I have looked at has not been that impressive.

The frustrating thing when looking at QBs is trying to determine which flawed guy is going to correct their issues? Who can be coached to greatness? That's not always so simple to "scout" by the eye, and part of the reason the draft for certain positions can especially be a crapshoot.

Out of this class though? I like Wentz a lot. My initial impression with him is that he reminds me a lot of Alex Smith in the way he can run and uses his outlets, but he's also a bigger guy who stands in and can take a hit, he's got a gun and isn't afraid to go deep. I wouldn't say he reminds me much of Joe Flacco but I think a good comparison would be -- and do not read much into this... -- something like a poor man's Andrew Luck. Speaking strictly in terms of their style of play and general attributes.

Bump. I like this kid in the 2nd

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Baalke hash NDSU ties so wouldn't be surprised to see him as a Niner...the more I look at the draft prospects the more I'd be fine with a trade down in the first. Trade down for Buckner, grab another 2nd get wentz and grab a OG with the other 2nd. I could live with that.

If we're drafting in the top 10, I don't see a need to trade out unless we miss out on Tunsil (yea I loooooove this guy), Bosa, Nkedmice, or Stanley. Heck I'll be good with Jaylon Smith if he's there. We'll still be in position to draft Wentz in the second and if needed, Trent could trade back into the late first and grab Wentz. I doubt that'll be needed. I like Buckner as well, but really feel he's more of a 4-3 DE. I can not watch us screw up another 4-3 DE draft pick.

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

If we're drafting in the top 10, I don't see a need to trade out unless we miss out on Tunsil (yea I loooooove this guy), Bosa, Nkedmice, or Stanley. Heck I'll be good with Jaylon Smith if he's there. We'll still be in position to draft Wentz in the second and if needed, Trent could trade back into the late first and grab Wentz. I doubt that'll be needed. I like Buckner as well, but really feel he's more of a 4-3 DE. I can not watch us screw up another 4-3 DE draft pick.

Buncker is a perfect 3-4 DE brah...I'm on the bandwagon of grabbing BPA in the first ( love the names you meantioned) and grabbing wentz in the 2nd

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

I like Buckner as well, but really feel he's more of a 4-3 DE. I can not watch us screw up another 4-3 DE draft pick.

Huh?

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:
If we're drafting in the top 10, I don't see a need to trade out unless we miss out on Tunsil (yea I loooooove this guy), Bosa, Nkedmice, or Stanley. Heck I'll be good with Jaylon Smith if he's there. We'll still be in position to draft Wentz in the second and if needed, Trent could trade back into the late first and grab Wentz. I doubt that'll be needed. I like Buckner as well, but really feel he's more of a 4-3 DE. I can not watch us screw up another 4-3 DE draft pick.

If anything, Bosa would be the one who is only a real fit in a 4-3 scheme. Probably best player in the draft, but don't see where he fits in our defense

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

I like Buckner as well, but really feel he's more of a 4-3 DE. I can not watch us screw up another 4-3 DE draft pick.

Huh?

I see more Tank in Buckner than AA. The transition for Tank is has not been the greatest or easiest.

Originally posted by Cooper22:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

If we're drafting in the top 10, I don't see a need to trade out unless we miss out on Tunsil (yea I loooooove this guy), Bosa, Nkedmice, or Stanley. Heck I'll be good with Jaylon Smith if he's there. We'll still be in position to draft Wentz in the second and if needed, Trent could trade back into the late first and grab Wentz. I doubt that'll be needed. I like Buckner as well, but really feel he's more of a 4-3 DE. I can not watch us screw up another 4-3 DE draft pick.

If anything, Bosa would be the one who is only a real fit in a 4-3 scheme. Probably best player in the draft, but don't see where he fits in our defense

Now Bosa to me is a true OLB in a 3-4.

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

I like Buckner as well, but really feel he's more of a 4-3 DE. I can not watch us screw up another 4-3 DE draft pick.

Huh?

I see more Tank in Buckner than AA. The transition for Tank is has not been the greatest or easiest.

Sorry dude not even close to tank...they run a 3-4 by the way. Literally every scout says he's a perfect fit as 3-4 DE.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

I like Buckner as well, but really feel he's more of a 4-3 DE. I can not watch us screw up another 4-3 DE draft pick.

Huh?

I see more Tank in Buckner than AA. The transition for Tank is has not been the greatest or easiest.

Sorry dude not even close to tank...they run a 3-4 by the way. Literally every scout says he's a perfect fit as 3-4 DE.

My bad wrong guy. I'm thinking of the kid from Clemson.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

I like Buckner as well, but really feel he's more of a 4-3 DE. I can not watch us screw up another 4-3 DE draft pick.

Huh?

Wrong guy. Was thinking of the DE from Clemson.