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49er Draft grades from other websites/analysts
May 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM
- elguapo
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I was curious what draft grades the niners got from some lesser known sites/analysts. Espn, nfl.com, and so on are easy to find and are popular websites but if anyone can post links or the grades the niners received from other places I would be grateful. Thanks in advance.
May 4, 2015 at 3:11 AM
- AB81Rules
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http://pigskinprospects.com/nfc-west-2015-nfl-draft-grades/
From my website, I have our draft a B. I actually liked it more than others. I'm warming up to the Tartt pick if he is used properly.
The only ones I questioned was Tartt and Pinion, but if they like Pinion that much, then it might justify cutting Andy Lee.
From my website, I have our draft a B. I actually liked it more than others. I'm warming up to the Tartt pick if he is used properly.
The only ones I questioned was Tartt and Pinion, but if they like Pinion that much, then it might justify cutting Andy Lee.
May 4, 2015 at 6:38 AM
- GoForGold
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Here's what I found so far
Sports Illustrated gave us a B-
SuperBowl Nation - C+
CBS - C
Bleacher Report - D+
Roto World - D+
Walter Football - C
Sports Illustrated gave us a B-
SuperBowl Nation - C+
CBS - C
Bleacher Report - D+
Roto World - D+
Walter Football - C
May 4, 2015 at 7:48 AM
- TexasNiner
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ESPN - "Thumbs Down" (One of only 3 teams to get a "thumbs down" vs "thumbs up" grade).
May 4, 2015 at 8:50 AM
- GoForGold
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It's funny I found another CBS site. NFLDraftScout gave us a C+. So theres that....Maybe they are just covering themselves.
I really think no matter what we did in the draft, the media "scouts" were going to be negative against us. It's just the nature of this off-season I think.
My 2 cents, Mock Drafts and Post Draft Grades, while fun and an interesting view into the general observation of internet GM's, are just what they are. Someone's idea of what they "percieve" a team needs or should draft. I know I'm not telling anyone what they didn't already know. Just feel better typing it out.
As far as the draft grades and the observation from the so called experts, (Mostly the National media types) they never seem to take into account players that were injured before, during, and "red-shirted" from the previous season. They only look at who left. And I suppose thats natural since they don't necessarily have as intimate a knowledge of each team and their roster and such. Sorry about my ramble here.
I really think no matter what we did in the draft, the media "scouts" were going to be negative against us. It's just the nature of this off-season I think.
My 2 cents, Mock Drafts and Post Draft Grades, while fun and an interesting view into the general observation of internet GM's, are just what they are. Someone's idea of what they "percieve" a team needs or should draft. I know I'm not telling anyone what they didn't already know. Just feel better typing it out.
As far as the draft grades and the observation from the so called experts, (Mostly the National media types) they never seem to take into account players that were injured before, during, and "red-shirted" from the previous season. They only look at who left. And I suppose thats natural since they don't necessarily have as intimate a knowledge of each team and their roster and such. Sorry about my ramble here.
May 4, 2015 at 9:03 AM
- English
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These sites are generally scoring on the sexy picks. Not sure if you look back with hindsight that their assessments have any real value though.
May 4, 2015 at 9:30 AM
- gold49er2183
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Nfl.com B+
May 4, 2015 at 1:50 PM
- elguapo
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Thanks so much guys for the grades.
So far I have it a B. I didn't like tartt and pinion but then again they may be very good starters if we already didn't have PRO BOWLERS ;)
Wish we got peters at cb instead of AA but it may work out for the better
So far I have it a B. I didn't like tartt and pinion but then again they may be very good starters if we already didn't have PRO BOWLERS ;)
Wish we got peters at cb instead of AA but it may work out for the better
May 4, 2015 at 2:48 PM
- GoForGold
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Just for fun I decided to check some of the pre-draft rankings on CBS, and compare their positions before and after.
Name #.............. Rated......................... Drafted......................... Projected Round........................ Positional Rank #
Armstead............. 29 ................................17 .......................................1-2............................................. 4
Tartt ....................83 ................................46....................................... 2-3............................................. 2
Harold .................35................................ 79 .......................................1-2............................................. 3
Davis .................121...............................126.......................................3-4..............................................12
Bell.....................174...............................117........................................5.................................................9
Smelter................296..............................132........................................7-FA...........................................38
Bustah.................282..............................254........................................7-FA...........................................16
Dres Anderson......112............................UDFA.......................................3-4.............................................17
Name #.............. Rated......................... Drafted......................... Projected Round........................ Positional Rank #
Armstead............. 29 ................................17 .......................................1-2............................................. 4
Tartt ....................83 ................................46....................................... 2-3............................................. 2
Harold .................35................................ 79 .......................................1-2............................................. 3
Davis .................121...............................126.......................................3-4..............................................12
Bell.....................174...............................117........................................5.................................................9
Smelter................296..............................132........................................7-FA...........................................38
Bustah.................282..............................254........................................7-FA...........................................16
Dres Anderson......112............................UDFA.......................................3-4.............................................17
[ Edited by GoForGold on May 4, 2015 at 2:55 PM ]
May 5, 2015 at 6:14 AM
- fortyniner52
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I do know that Jason Boris of TimesNews Dallas area gets a high grade on mocks every year. His avg. is always good, but you can't ever see his full mock and he does not do one until the day of. Unless someone can find it? I can't!
Here is a link to all of that... http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml
Do you guys know of anyone else that is really good? year to year?
Here is a link to all of that... http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml
Do you guys know of anyone else that is really good? year to year?
May 5, 2015 at 6:20 AM
- communist
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Originally posted by TexasNiner:black and white....I'm starting to understand why no one likes ESPN.
ESPN - "Thumbs Down" (One of only 3 teams to get a "thumbs down" vs "thumbs up" grade).
May 6, 2015 at 8:11 PM
- Jcool
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Round 1: Arik Armstead, DI, Oregon Grade: C-
This pick was based purely on projection, rather than production. While Armstead has his fans, that is largely based on impressive measurables and a few highlight plays. Everything else between those highlights raises concern that he will be a player who makes a big play here and there, but who provides little value on the other 90% of the snaps. Armstead had the 13th-best run stop percentage among 3-4 ends, at 7.1%.
Depth Chart Fit: Much depends on whether Justin Smith comes back, but Armstead looks to be part of the defensive line rotation immediately.
Round 2: Jaquiski Tartt, S, Samford Grade: N/A
Since Jaquiski Tartt played for Samford we only have two games against FBS opponents and the Senior Bowl to go from, so our evaluation is incomplete. Tartt played over 80% of the time at free safety for Samford, however in the Senior Bowl he was only at free safety on 41% of the snaps.
Depth Chart Fit: Backup safety for now, and likely future replacement for Antoine Bethea.
Round 3: Eli Harold, ED, Virginia Grade: B-
The best pick the 49ers made on the first two days of the draft. Harold wasn't the most productive pass rusher in the class, heaving only had a 8.0 pass rushing productivity (PRP) score, which was 31st among draft-eligible 3-4 OLBs. However, he possesses a physical skill set that is well worth taking a risk on in the third round, in the hope that he will develop as a pass rusher in the NFL.
Depth Chart Fit: Backup situational pass rusher.
Round 4: Blake Bell, TE, Oklahoma Just like their first three picks, Blake Bell is something of a project player who shows a good physical skill set, but has been unable to get the most from that skill set on the field. Bell only had a 0.83 yards per route run, 33rd out of 42 TEs.
Depth Chart Fit: Backup developmental tight end.
Round 4: Mike Davis, RB, South Carolina With running back Carlos Hyde set to be the No. 1 back next season, Davis should be given a chance to develop as Hyde's back up on first and second down. Davis is not going to make many tacklers miss, he had an elusive rating of just 34.9, the 48th out of 62 qualifying RBs, but he is a consistent back who gets the yards that are there for him, and could be a dependable backup.
Depth Chart Fit: Backup to Carlos Hyde.
Round 4: DeAndre Smelter, WR, Georgia Tech The first 49ers pick that is based more from his tape than on his athletic traits. The 49ers were able to get great value on DeAndre Smelter, as many teams passed on him because of the torn ACL he suffered prior to the ACC championship game. Smelter excelled as an all-around receiver, and even though he was targeted on only 63 passes in the Yellow Jackets' run-heavy offense, Smelter still led the draft class with ridiculous 4.36 yards per route run. However he was a willing and strong blocker in the run game.
Depth Chart Fit: Back up receiver while he recovers from the ACL tear, but once fit, will see playing time as the 49ers consistently rotate their receivers.
Round 5: Bradley Pinion, P, Clemson If you are going to take a punter in the draft, you better make sure he is going to be a good one, otherwise it's a wasted pick. Pinion has certainly shown good leg strength, however, either he, or the team, preferred to boom the punt down the middle of the field. In the NFL this will have to change, Pinion will have to learn to kick with direction as well as distance on his punts.
Depth Chart Fit: If you draft a punter he should be nearly guaranteed a starting position, however, with Andy Lee on the roster we may see Pinion struggle to beat out the eighth-best punter in the NFL last season.
Round 6: Ian Silberman, OT, Boston College Another project pick by the 49ers, Silberman played right tackle for the Eagles, but may have to make the roster as a guard. Silberman was overmatched at tackle for Boston College as he graded out as the 12th worst tackle in the class, struggling with both run blocking and pass protection. The 49ers are going to have to develop his game before he is ready to play.
Depth Chart Fit: In a fight for the back-end of the roster, or as a practice squad player.
Round 7: Trenton Brown, OG, Florida Brown only played 374 snaps, but was very effective on those snaps. He played well for the first four games of the season, finishing with a positive grade in each of them, while only playing on 52% of the snaps. In pass protection Brown only gave up four hurries all season on 190 pass snaps.
Depth Chart Fit: Backup guard, who with development, could become good value in the seventh round.
Round 7: Rory Anderson, TE, South Carolina With two tight ends on the roster, and the fifth round selection of Blake Bell, this pick is an interesting one. On paper, having four tight ends wouldn't seem to leave much playing time for Anderson, nor an obvious path to even make the roster. Anderson will likely be a pure blocking tight end in the NFL, while Bell is a better fit as the pass-catcher behind Davis.
Depth Chart Fit: As the backup to Vance McDonald.
The Undrafted
Marcus Rush, ED, Michigan State: Rush had the 18th best PRP for 4-3 Defensive Ends at 9.1PRP.
Dylan Thomason, QB, South Carolina: Thompson was one of the 14 quarterbacks to throw for over 1000 yards on deep passes (those that travel 20+ yards downfield in the air).
Dres Anderson, WR, Utah: Anderson had the third-worst drop rate at 18.52 in this WR class, with 5 drops on 27 catchable passes.
Issac Blakeney, WR, Duke: Passers targeting Blakeney had a QB rating of 107.8, 31st in this WR class.
Darius Davis, WR, Henderson State: Henderson State did not face any FBS opposition.
DeAndrew White, WR, Alabama: White graded positively in five games last season.
DiAndre Campbell, WR, Washington: Campbell had only one drop on 25 catchable passes.
Patrick Miller, OT, Auburn: Miller only played in 384 snaps, allowing eight total pressures for a 96.0 PBE.
Jermaine Whitehead, S, Auburn: Only played 276 snaps last season, but had the 23rd-ranked coverage grade on only 129 snaps in coverage.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/01/2015-draft-in-review-san-francisco-49ers/
May 6, 2015 at 8:34 PM
- LottDMontanaO
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Originally posted by TexasNiner:
ESPN - "Thumbs Down" (One of only 3 teams to get a "thumbs down" vs "thumbs up" grade).
Yeah, from good 'ole Raider-lovin' Paul Gutierrez. Why ESPN has him covering the Niners I have no idea.