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Round two draft strategy
May 1, 2015 at 10:43 AM
- Jiks
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Were gonna miss all my targets. Rowe will be gone, DGB is going to Minnesota, and Strong is going to STL.
May 1, 2015 at 10:51 AM
- fanmusclecars
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Originally posted by mayo49:Don't wave your finger at me Mayo. We all know how Trader Trent operates.
Originally posted by fanmusclecars:
Any draft prospects recovering from season ending injuries?
Trent loves to get top prospects coming off injuries.
May 1, 2015 at 10:54 AM
- davidb
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ntournahu (above) stated" "We now have three picks in the fourth round. I see us trading back up into round two and having two 2nd round picks."
However, when you do the calculations, I'm not sure that that is such a good idea. To trade those two 4ths to get back up to the 2nd round, the 49ers would have to package their 3rd with the 4ths:
pick # 79 (our 3rd) = 195 points
pick #117 (from the Chargers) = 60 points
pick #126 (from the Broncos) = 46 points.
So, 195 + 60 + 46 = 301
According to the Draft Value Chart, the 60th pick in this draft would be worth about 300 points.
If you throw in the 49ers 5th round pick (#151 overall) that would only add 31 points to this package of picks and 331 points would get you to pick 57.
Moving up is VERY expensive. I doubt that the 49ers would give up picks #79, #117, #126 and #151 to get pick #57.
However, when you do the calculations, I'm not sure that that is such a good idea. To trade those two 4ths to get back up to the 2nd round, the 49ers would have to package their 3rd with the 4ths:
pick # 79 (our 3rd) = 195 points
pick #117 (from the Chargers) = 60 points
pick #126 (from the Broncos) = 46 points.
So, 195 + 60 + 46 = 301
According to the Draft Value Chart, the 60th pick in this draft would be worth about 300 points.
If you throw in the 49ers 5th round pick (#151 overall) that would only add 31 points to this package of picks and 331 points would get you to pick 57.
Moving up is VERY expensive. I doubt that the 49ers would give up picks #79, #117, #126 and #151 to get pick #57.
[ Edited by davidb on May 1, 2015 at 10:55 AM ]
May 1, 2015 at 10:56 AM
- OnTheClock
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Originally posted by jreff22:Originally posted by OnTheClock:My top four preferences, by position for rounds 2 & 3:
WR:
1. Tyler Lockett, Kansas State
2. DGB, Oklahoma
3. Devin Smith, Ohio State
4. Devin Funchess, Michigan
Honorable mention to: Tre McBride (William & Mary) and Dres Anderson (Utah)
DL:
1. Carl Davis, Iowa
2. Eddie Goldman, FSU
3. Xavier Cooper, WSU
4. Henry Anderson, Stanford
RB:
1. Tevin Coleman, Indiana
2. Duke Johnson, Miami
3. Javorius Allen, USC
4. TJ Yeldon, Alabama
CB:
1. Eric Rowe, Utah
2. Ron Darby, FSU
3. Jalen Collins, LSU
4. PJ Williams, FSU
OL:
1. Ali Marpet, Hobart
2. AJ Cann, South Carolina
3. Tre' Jackson, FSU
4. Donovan Smith, Penn State
Note: If Jake Fisher somehow made it to our 2nd rounder, he'd be my preference ahead of all these, but I don't see that happening.
OLB:
1. Owa Odighizuwa, UCLA
2. Preston Smith, Mississippi State
3. Trey Flowers, Arkansas
4. Lorenzo Mauldin, Louisville
ILB:
1. Denzel Perryman, Miami
2. Eric Kendricks, UCLA
3. Paul Dawson, TCU
4. Benardrick McKinney, Texas A&M
^^^^^
2. DGB, Missouri
2. Duke Johnson, Miami
2. Eddie Goldman, FSU
who I want
I'd like to land a receiver and pass-rusher soon before the talent drops off. If we take a receiver, I think we may target speed first, and then go with a possession or Red Zone threat later (Waller, Mayle)
Still want Carl Davis, I don't care if they have to play him at the nose. Get him if he's there. Don't know if the pre-draft interviews did indeed hurt him, but if he falls past us, I admit I'd be surprised.
A top combo I'd be interested in would be WR Lockett or DGB with whoever the best remaining pass-rusher is. But I still have a strong hunch of the team targeting Devin Smith.
Baalke likes to maneuver more in these middle rounds, so I think we'll see something happen in that regard.
May 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM
- Super9er81
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Originally posted by davidb:
ntournahu (above) stated" "We now have three picks in the fourth round. I see us trading back up into round two and having two 2nd round picks."
However, when you do the calculations, I'm not sure that that is such a good idea. To trade those two 4ths to get back up to the 2nd round, the 49ers would have to package their 3rd with the 4ths:
pick # 79 (our 3rd) = 195 points
pick #117 (from the Chargers) = 60 points
pick #126 (from the Broncos) = 46 points.
So, 195 + 60 + 46 = 301
According to the Draft Value Chart, the 60th pick in this draft would be worth about 300 points.
If you throw in the 49ers 5th round pick (#151 overall) that would only add 31 points to this package of picks and 331 points would get you to pick 57.
Moving up is VERY expensive. I doubt that the 49ers would give up picks #79, #117, #126 and #151 to get pick #57.
Right but it would only cost one of those 4ths to move up a 5-8 spots from our current 2nd round position and get a guy who fell out of the first. I wouldn't be surprised if they were targeting one of those guys. Strong and Green-Beckham would be great as an heir-apparent to Boldin and I wouldn't be shocked if they went after Goldman or Carl Davis despite already picking a d-lineman.
May 1, 2015 at 12:44 PM
- Paul_Hofer
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46: WR Devin Smith
79: ILB Ben Heeney
117: OT Tyrus Thompson
126: CB Senquez Golson
132: RB Javorius Allen
151: S Ladarius Gunter
190: WR Darren Waller
246: TE Nick Boyle
254: OLB Alani Fua
Or
46: WR Dorial Green-Beckham
79: ILB Ramik Wilson
117: CB Senquez Golson
126: OT Daryl Williams
132: RB Tyler Varga
151: S Durell Eskridge
190: WR DeAndre Smelter
246: TE C.J. Uzomah
254: OLB Zach Wagenmann
79: ILB Ben Heeney
117: OT Tyrus Thompson
126: CB Senquez Golson
132: RB Javorius Allen
151: S Ladarius Gunter
190: WR Darren Waller
246: TE Nick Boyle
254: OLB Alani Fua
Or
46: WR Dorial Green-Beckham
79: ILB Ramik Wilson
117: CB Senquez Golson
126: OT Daryl Williams
132: RB Tyler Varga
151: S Durell Eskridge
190: WR DeAndre Smelter
246: TE C.J. Uzomah
254: OLB Zach Wagenmann
May 1, 2015 at 12:50 PM
- 9erred
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Originally posted by davidb:
ntournahu (above) stated" "We now have three picks in the fourth round. I see us trading back up into round two and having two 2nd round picks."
However, when you do the calculations, I'm not sure that that is such a good idea. To trade those two 4ths to get back up to the 2nd round, the 49ers would have to package their 3rd with the 4ths:
pick # 79 (our 3rd) = 195 points
pick #117 (from the Chargers) = 60 points
pick #126 (from the Broncos) = 46 points.
So, 195 + 60 + 46 = 301
According to the Draft Value Chart, the 60th pick in this draft would be worth about 300 points.
If you throw in the 49ers 5th round pick (#151 overall) that would only add 31 points to this package of picks and 331 points would get you to pick 57.
Moving up is VERY expensive. I doubt that the 49ers would give up picks #79, #117, #126 and #151 to get pick #57.
Finally someone knows how to use the draft value chart. I was starting to get frusted with folks saying two 4ths for a second. On that note I think the value is in the top 10 of the second round. I have zero issue with Baalke trading away one of the fourth round picks to move up for his guy.
May 1, 2015 at 1:15 PM
- 9moon
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1 - 15th) Arik Armsted - to replace Justin Smith
2 - 46th) Green Beckham - his swagger is what we need against the NFC West's secondary
2 - 54th) TJ Clemings - Staley's plays weren't very stellar last year
(TRADE) Send Lions this year's 4th (from Broncos #27) and next year's 2nd rounder
3 - 79th) Paul Dawson - not Willis to be exact but could be another Bowman
4 - 118) Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - (Chargers) best value on the 4th round
4 - comp) Josh Shaw; - just incase Ifo can never play again
5 - 151) Ty Montgomery - a more athletic John Taylor
rest of the draft: BPA
2 - 46th) Green Beckham - his swagger is what we need against the NFC West's secondary
2 - 54th) TJ Clemings - Staley's plays weren't very stellar last year
(TRADE) Send Lions this year's 4th (from Broncos #27) and next year's 2nd rounder
3 - 79th) Paul Dawson - not Willis to be exact but could be another Bowman
4 - 118) Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - (Chargers) best value on the 4th round
4 - comp) Josh Shaw; - just incase Ifo can never play again
5 - 151) Ty Montgomery - a more athletic John Taylor
rest of the draft: BPA
[ Edited by 9moon on May 1, 2015 at 1:16 PM ]
May 1, 2015 at 1:17 PM
- SofaKing
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I'm looking at WR or ILB here. Would be very happy with:
WR
Ty Lockett
Jaelen Strong
Devin Smith
LB
Paul Dawson
Denzel Perryman
WR
Ty Lockett
Jaelen Strong
Devin Smith
LB
Paul Dawson
Denzel Perryman
May 1, 2015 at 1:21 PM
- CityKing415
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Id like us to pick up Funchess
May 1, 2015 at 1:29 PM
- TexasNiner
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Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by davidb:
ntournahu (above) stated" "We now have three picks in the fourth round. I see us trading back up into round two and having two 2nd round picks."
However, when you do the calculations, I'm not sure that that is such a good idea. To trade those two 4ths to get back up to the 2nd round, the 49ers would have to package their 3rd with the 4ths:
pick # 79 (our 3rd) = 195 points
pick #117 (from the Chargers) = 60 points
pick #126 (from the Broncos) = 46 points.
So, 195 + 60 + 46 = 301
According to the Draft Value Chart, the 60th pick in this draft would be worth about 300 points.
If you throw in the 49ers 5th round pick (#151 overall) that would only add 31 points to this package of picks and 331 points would get you to pick 57.
Moving up is VERY expensive. I doubt that the 49ers would give up picks #79, #117, #126 and #151 to get pick #57.
Finally someone knows how to use the draft value chart. I was starting to get frusted with folks saying two 4ths for a second. On that note I think the value is in the top 10 of the second round. I have zero issue with Baalke trading away one of the fourth round picks to move up for his guy.
I think there is a better chance we trade up into the late 2nd and/or acquire at least one more 3rd. Between this year and next year, (counting 4 likely comp picks), we have at least 16 day 3 picks over the next two years. It's time to translate some of those into some day two picks.
A third this year and next would move us into the 2nd round. And 4th this year and next, plus a late rounder would get us a 3rd. We have the picks to spare. 10-15+ day 3 guys aren't going to make the roster over the next two years.