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Quest4six's 4/21 mock
Apr 22, 2015 at 8:14 PM
- doc_brown_
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How good would Scherff have to be to deserve being re-signed past his rookie contract? Iupati is an All-Pro, but it's hard to pay guys big money at OG. Therefore, we should draft a player in the 1st round that we envision signing past his rookie contract, assuming he shines as a pro. Devante Adams, Trae Waynes, DGB, Armstead, Jaelen Collins, Landon Collins, Shelton, Peters is more like it!
Apr 22, 2015 at 8:57 PM
- Quest4six
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Originally posted by doc_brown_:
How good would Scherff have to be to deserve being re-signed past his rookie contract? Iupati is an All-Pro, but it's hard to pay guys big money at OG. Therefore, we should draft a player in the 1st round that we envision signing past his rookie contract, assuming he shines as a pro. Devante Adams, Trae Waynes, DGB, Armstead, Jaelen Collins, Landon Collins, Shelton, Peters is more like it!
You wouldn't draft a guy because he might be worth too much at the end of his contract?
That makes absolutely no sense
I'm hoping every player we draft can go elsewhere and demand a big contract, because that will mean for the next 4-5 years we will be absolutely loaded with talent. Scherff isn't comparable to Iupati because he isn't a 1 trick pony like Iupati. Pati was a great run blocker, and a mediocre/horrible pass blocker. Scherff can play tackle and has proven himself as a pass blocker. This isn't a guy Baalke would let walk.
[ Edited by Quest4six on Apr 23, 2015 at 12:15 AM ]
Apr 22, 2015 at 9:13 PM
- 9ertillidie
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Richardson isn't going in the sixth. From what I'm hearing he'll be a day 2 pick.
Apr 22, 2015 at 9:55 PM
- MC9BEAT
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Love the mock. The only problem I see is taking a Guard at 15. Not that it would be a problem for me but I don't think Baalke wants to commit that much cap to the O-line. Both starting tackles are going to draw big salaries. Throw in a highly paid guard and the O-line starts getting very expensive. It may be worth it but I don't see Baalke trending that way. That is why he was hesitant to attempt to sign Iupati to a long term deal when it would have been cheaper a couple of years ago.
I don't want to rent a guard for 4-5 years at #15 just to see him go FA. I would take him if Baalke is set on resigning him when his contract comes up. Top quality guards can be found in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and if you can't resign them you can always draft another in 4 years in round 2 or 3 and you might even have a comp pick coming to offset it. Whatever player we take at 15 if they play the way we hope they will then I want them resigned when their contract comes up so it should be a player at a position we are ready to spend big money on in 4-5 years.
Dawson, Anderson, Cobb - all players that would be a good fit for us. I don't think PJ Williams drops to the 4th but if he does it would be a great pick.
I would probably skip on Goodley in the 7th and try to sign him as a UDFA and headed for the practice squad. We might be able to get the best kicker in the draft and we could use one not to mention we would save millions a year in cap space. If we draft a WR they will have a tough time just making the team unless they are a definate upgrade to Ellington and Patton.
I don't want to rent a guard for 4-5 years at #15 just to see him go FA. I would take him if Baalke is set on resigning him when his contract comes up. Top quality guards can be found in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and if you can't resign them you can always draft another in 4 years in round 2 or 3 and you might even have a comp pick coming to offset it. Whatever player we take at 15 if they play the way we hope they will then I want them resigned when their contract comes up so it should be a player at a position we are ready to spend big money on in 4-5 years.
Dawson, Anderson, Cobb - all players that would be a good fit for us. I don't think PJ Williams drops to the 4th but if he does it would be a great pick.
I would probably skip on Goodley in the 7th and try to sign him as a UDFA and headed for the practice squad. We might be able to get the best kicker in the draft and we could use one not to mention we would save millions a year in cap space. If we draft a WR they will have a tough time just making the team unless they are a definate upgrade to Ellington and Patton.
Apr 22, 2015 at 10:09 PM
- ModestoNiner33
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Originally posted by Quest4six:You wouldn't draft a guy because he might be worth too much at the end of his contract?
That makes absolutely no sense
Scherffe is one of the most pro ready prospects in this draft. I hope we can get him before Giants and Rams.
Apr 23, 2015 at 12:13 AM
- Quest4six
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Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
Love the mock. The only problem I see is taking a Guard at 15. Not that it would be a problem for me but I don't think Baalke wants to commit that much cap to the O-line. Both starting tackles are going to draw big salaries. Throw in a highly paid guard and the O-line starts getting very expensive. It may be worth it but I don't see Baalke trending that way. That is why he was hesitant to attempt to sign Iupati to a long term deal when it would have been cheaper a couple of years ago.
I don't want to rent a guard for 4-5 years at #15 just to see him go FA. I would take him if Baalke is set on resigning him when his contract comes up. Top quality guards can be found in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and if you can't resign them you can always draft another in 4 years in round 2 or 3 and you might even have a comp pick coming to offset it. Whatever player we take at 15 if they play the way we hope they will then I want them resigned when their contract comes up so it should be a player at a position we are ready to spend big money on in 4-5 years.
Dawson, Anderson, Cobb - all players that would be a good fit for us. I don't think PJ Williams drops to the 4th but if he does it would be a great pick.
I would probably skip on Goodley in the 7th and try to sign him as a UDFA and headed for the practice squad. We might be able to get the best kicker in the draft and we could use one not to mention we would save millions a year in cap space. If we draft a WR they will have a tough time just making the team unless they are a definate upgrade to Ellington and Patton.
I think with Williams recent DUI (weed) bust he will fall that far. Especially with the depth of CB and how Josh Gordon's career is panning out.
I think the reason Baalke chose not to sign Iupati is because he clearly wasn't the same player this year as opposed to last season (before the ankle injury)
I also am aware that you typically don't spend big money on guards, but I think Scherff is an exception because of his versatility. By the time we would need to sign him to a contract again, Staley would be 35, Boone would be 31, Davis would be 29. I assume that the first two wouldn't be on this team, which works for Scherff because he can play both Staley's and Boone's position.
Like I said earlier, there are not many offensive lineman like this one. He can play tackle, he can play guard, and he can do both exceptionally well. In terms of being pro-ready he is probably one of the top prospects in the draft. Day 1 he would be a starter and a force on the line. You don't pass up on his talent, especially if he is in reach (which he will be)
I agree with you on Goodley. I think he will be a great WR if developed correctly (our new staff looks promising)
Apr 23, 2015 at 1:15 AM
- MC9BEAT
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Originally posted by Quest4six:
Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
Love the mock. The only problem I see is taking a Guard at 15. Not that it would be a problem for me but I don't think Baalke wants to commit that much cap to the O-line. Both starting tackles are going to draw big salaries. Throw in a highly paid guard and the O-line starts getting very expensive. It may be worth it but I don't see Baalke trending that way. That is why he was hesitant to attempt to sign Iupati to a long term deal when it would have been cheaper a couple of years ago.
I don't want to rent a guard for 4-5 years at #15 just to see him go FA. I would take him if Baalke is set on resigning him when his contract comes up. Top quality guards can be found in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and if you can't resign them you can always draft another in 4 years in round 2 or 3 and you might even have a comp pick coming to offset it. Whatever player we take at 15 if they play the way we hope they will then I want them resigned when their contract comes up so it should be a player at a position we are ready to spend big money on in 4-5 years.
Dawson, Anderson, Cobb - all players that would be a good fit for us. I don't think PJ Williams drops to the 4th but if he does it would be a great pick.
I would probably skip on Goodley in the 7th and try to sign him as a UDFA and headed for the practice squad. We might be able to get the best kicker in the draft and we could use one not to mention we would save millions a year in cap space. If we draft a WR they will have a tough time just making the team unless they are a definate upgrade to Ellington and Patton.
I think with Williams recent DUI (weed) bust he will fall that far. Especially with the depth of CB and how Josh Gordon's career is panning out.
I think the reason Baalke chose not to sign Iupati is because he clearly wasn't the same player this year as opposed to last season (before the ankle injury)
I also am aware that you typically don't spend big money on guards, but I think Scherff is an exception because of his versatility. By the time we would need to sign him to a contract again, Staley would be 35, Boone would be 31, Davis would be 29. I assume that the first two wouldn't be on this team, which works for Scherff because he can play both Staley's and Boone's position.
Like I said earlier, there are not many offensive lineman like this one. He can play tackle, he can play guard, and he can do both exceptionally well. In terms of being pro-ready he is probably one of the top prospects in the draft. Day 1 he would be a starter and a force on the line. You don't pass up on his talent, especially if he is in reach (which he will be)
I agree with you on Goodley. I think he will be a great WR if developed correctly (our new staff looks promising)
I think he would be a great pick as long as we are committed to keeping him past his rookie contract and I am big time in favor of being strong in the trenches. I think Baalke envisions Thomas at guard. He recently said he was specifically drafted to replace Iupati. I am totally in favor of a great O-line. We shall see very soon. Baalke never does what any of us expect him to do.
Still, great mock. Love all the players picked.
Apr 23, 2015 at 2:26 AM
- Gore_21
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Not at all sexy but if those guys all managed to fall to those spots I would love this draft. Not because I'm in love with any of these players (like not love) but because I think this would be a good safe draft that could help us become a better team. Kind of a safe, solid draft vs a risky, high potential draft and with our swing and misses lately (we knew the risks going in & some due to coaching) we need a good draft. So regardless of star power this would be about as good as any draft we could have. Great job Quest!
Apr 23, 2015 at 2:27 AM
- 49ersJordan
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Huge fan of this mock. Great value picks.
Apr 23, 2015 at 6:16 AM
- NYniner85
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Originally posted by Quest4six:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
You know how I feel about OL in the 1st
I really don't think Scherff will be there at 15 and I wouldn't prefer to trade picks for a OG, but he's the only OL that I would be fine with taking at 15. I still have hopes for on one of our 3rd round picks to take over the LG spot.
- Dawson is my favorite ILB in this draft, he just makes plays and I would love him in the red&gold.
- Anderson might not make it to us in the 3rd but he would be a great pick...I like.
- PJ would be a steal in the 4th and I could see baalke scooping him up.
- Richardson is my sleeper pick as well love his length and motor.
- I know we will be grabbing a RB (we do every year) will he be active on game days? I'm guessing we would have to cut Hunter.
- My ONE issue...........we wait until the 7th to grab a WR
Overall solid mock
Hahah, i thought of what your post would say in this mock. I understand why people feel the need for one, I just don't think it makes sense for a run first team. Especially when you have as poor offensive line play as we have had.
I will say, if we take a WR in the first, it better be from the result of a trade up.
DGB, Coates, Strong, Parker, I'm not sure those are guys I spend a 1st round pick on unless this was the year Boldin was leaving and we didn't sign Smith.
I think we can afford to wait a year and see what Kaep can do with more time in the pocket, rather than more weapons.
White and Cooper are the only two guys I am okay with taking round 1, those are guys who can change an offense.
I think having a WR that can get separation quickly would only help the o-line and Colin's confidence. I agree I would rather trade up for a top tier WR then spend a 2nd on some one like Coates, I wouldn't even mind grabbing Lockett in the 2nd-3rd. I just don't think waiting until the 7th to grab a WR is the right move. We are one injury away from having Patton as our #2
We will know in a week
Apr 23, 2015 at 11:52 AM
- Quest4six
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Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
I think he would be a great pick as long as we are committed to keeping him past his rookie contract and I am big time in favor of being strong in the trenches. I think Baalke envisions Thomas at guard. He recently said he was specifically drafted to replace Iupati. I am totally in favor of a great O-line. We shall see very soon. Baalke never does what any of us expect him to do.
Still, great mock. Love all the players picked.
I agree, this isn't a guy I would want to see in a different uniform, especially if he got to the point where re-signing him would take a lot of cap space.
If Thomas pans out I would look at that as an added benefit, I don't have high hopes for a guy who hasn't played football in two years and is still a rookie
Thank you btw, it took me a long time and lots of headaches lol
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Not at all sexy but if those guys all managed to fall to those spots I would love this draft. Not because I'm in love with any of these players (like not love) but because I think this would be a good safe draft that could help us become a better team. Kind of a safe, solid draft vs a risky, high potential draft and with our swing and misses lately (we knew the risks going in & some due to coaching) we need a good draft. So regardless of star power this would be about as good as any draft we could have. Great job Quest!
That was my exact thinking when making this draft. I think this is a season where we need to hit on this draft or we could potentially end up towards the bottom of the NFC west. You can never go wrong drafting quality lineman with the first pick (Dallas). I think when we have less holes to fill, we can afford to be risky. Right now, with all the FAs and retirements its a draft we cannot whiff on.
Thank you
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think having a WR that can get separation quickly would only help the o-line and Colin's confidence. I agree I would rather trade up for a top tier WR then spend a 2nd on some one like Coates, I wouldn't even mind grabbing Lockett in the 2nd-3rd. I just don't think waiting until the 7th to grab a WR is the right move. We are one injury away from having Patton as our #2
We will know in a week
I'm not sure Patton being our #2 would be a bad thing! We'd still have Davis and Boldin or Smith to compliment him, so we shall see. I do agree though, if I was to redo this mock I would throw in a WR higher than the 7th....
But lower than a 4th
Apr 23, 2015 at 1:12 PM
- NYniner85
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I'm not sure Patton being our #2 would be a bad thing! We'd still have Davis and Boldin or Smith to compliment him, so we shall see. I do agree though, if I was to redo this mock I would throw in a WR higher than the 7th....
But lower than a 4th
I really don't see Patton as a #2, He couldn't even beat out old man Lloyd. Baalke does like to plan a year in advance as well and next season we will be very very thin at WR. I think at this point with Kap great WRs make him better vs Kap turning mediocre WRs into great ones.
I do like you're mock, but if they wait until after the 4th to grab a WR, I'd rather they not draft one at all... there's a huge drop in talent IMO after the 4th.
Well we will know what direction they will go in a week! Love the draft
Apr 23, 2015 at 1:24 PM
- Paul_Hofer
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Originally posted by NYniner85:Agree with NY. We already have mid-round WRs in Patton and Ellington. Niners already have a first round talent at guard in Thomas. Describing him derogatorily in comparison to someone not even drafted yet is misguided. Some argument could be made for DL, ILB or CB in the first, but not guard. Based on the floundering of the offense last season and they downward spiral since Kaep's first game, I say WR in the first. The Niners have had transient WRs for far too long.
I'm not sure Patton being our #2 would be a bad thing! We'd still have Davis and Boldin or Smith to compliment him, so we shall see. I do agree though, if I was to redo this mock I would throw in a WR higher than the 7th....
But lower than a 4th
I really don't see Patton as a #2, He couldn't even beat out old man Lloyd. Baalke does like to plan a year in advance as well and next season we will be very very thin at WR. I think at this point with Kap great WRs make him better vs Kap turning mediocre WRs into great ones.
I do like you're mock, but if they wait until after the 4th to grab a WR, I'd rather they not draft one at all... there's a huge drop in talent IMO after the 4th.
Well we will know what direction they will go in a week! Love the draft
Apr 23, 2015 at 1:34 PM
- NYniner85
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Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by NYniner85:Agree with NY. We already have mid-round WRs in Patton and Ellington. Niners already have a first round talent at guard in Thomas. Describing him derogatorily in comparison to someone not even drafted yet is misguided. Some argument could be made for DL, ILB or CB in the first, but not guard. Based on the floundering of the offense last season and they downward spiral since Kaep's first game, I say WR in the first. The Niners have had transient WRs for far too long.
I'm not sure Patton being our #2 would be a bad thing! We'd still have Davis and Boldin or Smith to compliment him, so we shall see. I do agree though, if I was to redo this mock I would throw in a WR higher than the 7th....
But lower than a 4th
I really don't see Patton as a #2, He couldn't even beat out old man Lloyd. Baalke does like to plan a year in advance as well and next season we will be very very thin at WR. I think at this point with Kap great WRs make him better vs Kap turning mediocre WRs into great ones.
I do like you're mock, but if they wait until after the 4th to grab a WR, I'd rather they not draft one at all... there's a huge drop in talent IMO after the 4th.
Well we will know what direction they will go in a week! Love the draft
Yeah I agree with you on Thomas, we have talent and players locked up in contracts, we just need them to get healthy. BUT if Scherff is there at 15 he would be BPA for sure (doubt he makes it past the Rams). We could trade down easy if he's there or take him....he is the only OT I wouldn't mind in the 1st.
Really not a fan of taking more mid-round WRs though....
Apr 23, 2015 at 1:50 PM
- MC9BEAT
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Originally posted by Gore_21:
Not at all sexy but if those guys all managed to fall to those spots I would love this draft. Not because I'm in love with any of these players (like not love) but because I think this would be a good safe draft that could help us become a better team. Kind of a safe, solid draft vs a risky, high potential draft and with our swing and misses lately (we knew the risks going in & some due to coaching) we need a good draft. So regardless of star power this would be about as good as any draft we could have. Great job Quest!
All of our drafts should be solid. The time to gamble is not when you have a deep team but when players fall. You gamble in the later rounds on players with potential to play at a higher level than their draft position. Not on 1st and 2nd rounders. Llynch was a good gamble last year.
You get 10 1st rd and 10 2nd rd picks a decade with a roster of 53. You need to hit on those picks. Not gamble with potential busts.