i like everything but trading our 3rd and taking duke johnson in the 2nd. Im sick and tired of picking up RBs early in the draft and they hardly play. I think we should just pick up a RB on FA for cheap.
Your offseason mock is really good but leaves a considerably huge hole at CB and i think that 2nd or 3rd should be used on a CB. If one our CBs go down we are right in the same situation we were at the end of this season
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Jan 10, 2015 at 5:58 PM
- JustinNiner
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Jan 10, 2015 at 6:12 PM
- sf1974
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Originally posted by RishikeshA:Sorry, continuing, Charles Clay from Miami, he's a young Delanie Walker with more upside.
We do have Trey Millard who is finally healthy...Charles Clay has proven himself in the NFL already though. I'm kind of excited to see what Millard will bring to the table next year.
Jan 10, 2015 at 6:30 PM
- sf1974
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Originally posted by JustinNiner:i like everything but trading our 3rd and taking duke johnson in the 2nd. Im sick and tired of picking up RBs early in the draft and they hardly play. I think we should just pick up a RB on FA for cheap.
Your offseason mock is really good but leaves a considerably huge hole at CB and i think that 2nd or 3rd should be used on a CB. If one our CBs go down we are right in the same situation we were at the end of this season
I agree on both points!!! I do really like Ladarius Gunter CB (Miami) as a sleeper late rounder (4-5 rd) good size 6-2 some ball skills and good in run support. I'm thinking OG in 2nd or 3rd. You're right, RB shouldn't be addressed until later in the draft (with an eye toward return capabilities KR or PR). I believe a 3-4 DE or NT should be targeted early. We will need to replace McDonald and Cowboy might retire, so...I know we have Carradine and Dial but we'll need to infuse some more young talent. We need to keep Cully and Cox imho. Good post!
Jan 10, 2015 at 6:46 PM
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Nice mock Geek
Jan 10, 2015 at 7:02 PM
- sf1974
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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:Great Job!
Really like allot of things you did.
Kubiak, Dennison and Vic would be a fine group.
Like the Trades - getting something is ALWAYS better than getting nothing.
DISLIKE the Boone release. His game really picked up at the end of the season and IMO is a much better tackle than guard so he could immediately fill in if necessary w/out much drop off. NEITHER Thaomas nor Martin have proven they can do the job yet!
Really LIKE getting Odrick and Harris - NOT confident in Meecham.
LOVE the trades to get Parker - it's about time we get a starting caliber WR in the draft.
Thanks for all the work.
I agree with you on Boone. Odrick has good size for our scheme and we'd be banking on Tomsula/Fangio being able to coach him up and put him in positions to be very successful. I would take that bet by the way...we can snag a good G in the 2nd or 3rd rds to account for Iupati's departure
love to get Parker or Kevin White in the draft!!! It appears Pass Rushers will be available at 3-4 DE or 3-4 Rush OLB at several levels of this draft as well as a few sleepers at CB.
Jan 10, 2015 at 7:20 PM
- CorvaNinerFan
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They haven't interviewed Kubiak...they did just interview Austin and Bowles, so have satisfied the requirement to seek out minority coaches. I'd be surprised if they don't pick a coach by Monday. My gut's telling me it'll either be Fangio or Mike Shanahan. I think either guy brings in Kyle Shanahan to run the offense. Fangio would promote Donatell to DC, Shanahan would hopefully retain Fangio to run the defense.
I wouldn't re-sign Gabbert...Josh Johnson's got a lot more upside.
The Brooks trade isn't a good one for the Niners...they should be able to get a 5th rd pick without giving up a 7th. Ahmad could start for a lot of teams.
I don't get the fascination with Odrick...I've seen a lot of off-season projections with his name. I haven't been impressed with him...I think Baalke can do better. He's certainly no replacement for Justin Smith.
Not sure about Meachem...he may be a guy lost in the glut of Saints receivers. Or he may just be an average WR.
Given Ray Mac's gone and Justin Smith could be, I don't see any draft picks addressing that major DL loss. I'd draft Eddie Goldman, who can play inside and outside, has great size (6-3, 315) and played on championship FSU teams.
There's also no playmaking TE. After Vernon's virtual disappearance and lack of any receiving production behind him, grabbing a guy like Maxx Williams or FSU's O'Leary makes a lot of sense.
I like the Parker, Duke Johnson, Mannion picks. No pass rusher/OLB 'til 6th rd. Nate Orchard from Utah put up some eye-popping numbers in 2014: 17.5 sacks, 81 tackles (20 for loss), 2 forced fumbles and 2 passes knocked away. They could arguably get him @ the 3rd rd.
I wouldn't re-sign Gabbert...Josh Johnson's got a lot more upside.
The Brooks trade isn't a good one for the Niners...they should be able to get a 5th rd pick without giving up a 7th. Ahmad could start for a lot of teams.
I don't get the fascination with Odrick...I've seen a lot of off-season projections with his name. I haven't been impressed with him...I think Baalke can do better. He's certainly no replacement for Justin Smith.
Not sure about Meachem...he may be a guy lost in the glut of Saints receivers. Or he may just be an average WR.
Given Ray Mac's gone and Justin Smith could be, I don't see any draft picks addressing that major DL loss. I'd draft Eddie Goldman, who can play inside and outside, has great size (6-3, 315) and played on championship FSU teams.
There's also no playmaking TE. After Vernon's virtual disappearance and lack of any receiving production behind him, grabbing a guy like Maxx Williams or FSU's O'Leary makes a lot of sense.
I like the Parker, Duke Johnson, Mannion picks. No pass rusher/OLB 'til 6th rd. Nate Orchard from Utah put up some eye-popping numbers in 2014: 17.5 sacks, 81 tackles (20 for loss), 2 forced fumbles and 2 passes knocked away. They could arguably get him @ the 3rd rd.
Jan 10, 2015 at 7:21 PM
- m_brockalexander
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Do NOT like
Re-signing Gabbert and Martin
Releasing Boone
Signing Meacham
Trading up for Parker - too much to pay when the Niners could get him at #15 or someone of equal talent in Kevin White.
Like
Rest of the re-signings and extensions
The rest of the free agent class
Draft positions - would rather have two additional picks to get a secondary player and one more Defensive lineman.
Re-signing Gabbert and Martin
Releasing Boone
Signing Meacham
Trading up for Parker - too much to pay when the Niners could get him at #15 or someone of equal talent in Kevin White.
Like
Rest of the re-signings and extensions
The rest of the free agent class
Draft positions - would rather have two additional picks to get a secondary player and one more Defensive lineman.
Jan 10, 2015 at 7:29 PM
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Thank you all for the kind words. Let me address a few points that many of you have called out in your respective posts.
Alex Boone - I think we may be able to trade him away for a 4-5th round pick instead of cut him outright (as I did in my mock). But while he had a few good games at the end of the season, he's not a good fit for the zone blocking scheme. And with a FA pickup and Martin still remaining on the roster (and probably a better fit in that scheme), that's $3 million that can be allocated to possibly sign a FA corner.
Lack of CB depth - You're right that I didn't address the position in the draft. But we drafted 4 DBs in the 2014 draft - Ward, Johnson, Reaser, and Acker. Trent Baalke has been quoted many times that you don't draft for immediate needs, but rather your anticipated needs 2-3 years down the road. With resigning of Cox, a healthy Brock, and Ward and Johnson continuing to develop, I feel like we have good talent for dime or nickel situational play. And now insert McFadden, along with healthy Acker and Reaser, and the depth is actually pretty good. Getting Acker and Reaser back is similar to drafting CBs in the 4-5 rounds.
Parker trade up - As long as it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg, you get the guy that you feel like is the best fit for your team in the short-term and long-term. A trade up for Parker reminds me of the trade up for Reid. We had a void at the position and many critics felt he was drafted higher than he should, but our staff knew he'd be a good fit. And he turned into a pro bowler.
Duke Johnson - We all have opinions of when and who we should draft RBs. And for Kubiak's system, Johnson is a great fit alongside Hyde. Throw in the last hurrah for Frank Gore and a healthy Hunter, and our position is stacked. Think 2 years down the road though...Gore will be retired and Hunter may not be on the team anymore. So it sets us for success in the long-run. It's Baalke's MO. Could we wait for rounds 3-4-5 to address RB? Absolutely. But it adds a whole new dimension when your RBs can run effectively AND be integrated into the passing attack - something our team has been sorely lacking since the Martz/Turner systems.
Gary Kubiak - All candidates have their pros and cons. Kubiak is a safe choice. He's been a successful HC, a proven offensive innovator, has ties to the 49ers, and brings a few good coaches on the O side of the ball. And I don't think he'd upset the defensive coaching staff with his hire because of his credibility. And lastly, four names to come mind: John Fox, Andy Reid, Jim Caldwell, and Tom Coughlin. Three coaches that had success with their first HC stints, eventually declined and got fired, and got right back up and found continued success with their second teams.
Does Kubiak has some flaws? Yes. But as Baalke said at his presser, this is a reload situation, not a rebuild. He doesn't have to worry about finding a franchise QB. He doesn't have to worry about finding a franchise LT. He doesn't have to worry about the D. You implement your offensive system, fill your core voids across the team, and let your staff do their jobs.
Now if we don't get Kubiak, I'm a fan of Gase as an alternate candidate. I'd be okay with Fangio, but I'm wary of the domino impact it'l have on our team.
Alex Boone - I think we may be able to trade him away for a 4-5th round pick instead of cut him outright (as I did in my mock). But while he had a few good games at the end of the season, he's not a good fit for the zone blocking scheme. And with a FA pickup and Martin still remaining on the roster (and probably a better fit in that scheme), that's $3 million that can be allocated to possibly sign a FA corner.
Lack of CB depth - You're right that I didn't address the position in the draft. But we drafted 4 DBs in the 2014 draft - Ward, Johnson, Reaser, and Acker. Trent Baalke has been quoted many times that you don't draft for immediate needs, but rather your anticipated needs 2-3 years down the road. With resigning of Cox, a healthy Brock, and Ward and Johnson continuing to develop, I feel like we have good talent for dime or nickel situational play. And now insert McFadden, along with healthy Acker and Reaser, and the depth is actually pretty good. Getting Acker and Reaser back is similar to drafting CBs in the 4-5 rounds.
Parker trade up - As long as it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg, you get the guy that you feel like is the best fit for your team in the short-term and long-term. A trade up for Parker reminds me of the trade up for Reid. We had a void at the position and many critics felt he was drafted higher than he should, but our staff knew he'd be a good fit. And he turned into a pro bowler.
Duke Johnson - We all have opinions of when and who we should draft RBs. And for Kubiak's system, Johnson is a great fit alongside Hyde. Throw in the last hurrah for Frank Gore and a healthy Hunter, and our position is stacked. Think 2 years down the road though...Gore will be retired and Hunter may not be on the team anymore. So it sets us for success in the long-run. It's Baalke's MO. Could we wait for rounds 3-4-5 to address RB? Absolutely. But it adds a whole new dimension when your RBs can run effectively AND be integrated into the passing attack - something our team has been sorely lacking since the Martz/Turner systems.
Gary Kubiak - All candidates have their pros and cons. Kubiak is a safe choice. He's been a successful HC, a proven offensive innovator, has ties to the 49ers, and brings a few good coaches on the O side of the ball. And I don't think he'd upset the defensive coaching staff with his hire because of his credibility. And lastly, four names to come mind: John Fox, Andy Reid, Jim Caldwell, and Tom Coughlin. Three coaches that had success with their first HC stints, eventually declined and got fired, and got right back up and found continued success with their second teams.
Does Kubiak has some flaws? Yes. But as Baalke said at his presser, this is a reload situation, not a rebuild. He doesn't have to worry about finding a franchise QB. He doesn't have to worry about finding a franchise LT. He doesn't have to worry about the D. You implement your offensive system, fill your core voids across the team, and let your staff do their jobs.
Now if we don't get Kubiak, I'm a fan of Gase as an alternate candidate. I'd be okay with Fangio, but I'm wary of the domino impact it'l have on our team.
Jan 10, 2015 at 7:38 PM
- LifelongNiner
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Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
They haven't interviewed Kubiak...they did just interview Austin and Bowles, so have satisfied the requirement to seek out minority coaches. I'd be surprised if they don't pick a coach by Monday. My gut's telling me it'll either be Fangio or Mike Shanahan. I think either guy brings in Kyle Shanahan to run the offense. Fangio would promote Donatell to DC, Shanahan would hopefully retain Fangio to run the defense.
I wouldn't re-sign Gabbert...Josh Johnson's got a lot more upside.
The Brooks trade isn't a good one for the Niners...they should be able to get a 5th rd pick without giving up a 7th. Ahmad could start for a lot of teams.
I don't get the fascination with Odrick...I've seen a lot of off-season projections with his name. I haven't been impressed with him...I think Baalke can do better. He's certainly no replacement for Justin Smith.
Not sure about Meachem...he may be a guy lost in the glut of Saints receivers. Or he may just be an average WR.
Given Ray Mac's gone and Justin Smith could be, I don't see any draft picks addressing that major DL loss. I'd draft Eddie Goldman, who can play inside and outside, has great size (6-3, 315) and played on championship FSU teams.
There's also no playmaking TE. After Vernon's virtual disappearance and lack of any receiving production behind him, grabbing a guy like Maxx Williams or FSU's O'Leary makes a lot of sense.
I like the Parker, Duke Johnson, Mannion picks. No pass rusher/OLB 'til 6th rd. Nate Orchard from Utah put up some eye-popping numbers in 2014: 17.5 sacks, 81 tackles (20 for loss), 2 forced fumbles and 2 passes knocked away. They could arguably get him @ the 3rd rd.
I agree on Ahmad Brooks. One point though, we are not replacing Justin Smith. You can't replace that. Not unless we are drafting Leonard Williams, and we are not. With the free agent signings, most of the guys Baalke brings in are never guys who dominated or were great for their previous team. They were under the radar guys or guy that have talent, but didn't live up to expectations.
I do think Vernon Davis will be his old self in 2015 and we will have a coaching staff that will utilize the rest of our TEs. It's really hard to give a fair assessment of most of our guys on offense.
Originally posted by JustinNiner:
i like everything but trading our 3rd and taking duke johnson in the 2nd. Im sick and tired of picking up RBs early in the draft and they hardly play. I think we should just pick up a RB on FA for cheap.
Your offseason mock is really good but leaves a considerably huge hole at CB and i think that 2nd or 3rd should be used on a CB. If one our CBs go down we are right in the same situation we were at the end of this season
This isn't the previous regime. I think whoever the FO hires, this will be a coach that plays their rookies. Now if/when we bring back Frank Gore, carries will be limited for a back like Johnson if he's taken in the second. However, he has the potential of being a big play player in the future, and keep in mind, Gore won't be here forever even if he is given a new deal. I don't want just another guy at running back which can be found in the 5th. I want a legit playmaker and Duke Johnson fits that description. I do think that we may have a chance of picking him up in the 3rd though, depending on when the first running back on the board (Melvin Johnson is taken). He may not last until our third round pick, but I do like taking a DE like Mario Edwards in the second and then trading using our third and fourth to move up and snag Duke Johnson at the top of the third round. Or using a third this year and a 2016 third.
Jan 10, 2015 at 9:13 PM
- Rgonelove
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Don't like kubiac never done anything.......Would rather have mcdaniels or fangio......Don't like the idea of giving up boone......d-line is priority........de in the 1st with a nt somewhere in the draft
Jan 10, 2015 at 9:45 PM
- LasVegasWally
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Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Meacham pulls a Claude Rains for long stretches. I'm a fan of Charles C
For you younger guys Claude Raines was an excellent actor who played the "Invisible Man" in the original and BEST version.
The term refers to a person who disappears when wanted or needed.
Good Call Rishokesh!
Jan 10, 2015 at 10:31 PM
- JustinNiner
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Originally posted by GEEK:
Thank you all for the kind words. Let me address a few points that many of you have called out in your respective posts.
Alex Boone - I think we may be able to trade him away for a 4-5th round pick instead of cut him outright (as I did in my mock). But while he had a few good games at the end of the season, he's not a good fit for the zone blocking scheme. And with a FA pickup and Martin still remaining on the roster (and probably a better fit in that scheme), that's $3 million that can be allocated to possibly sign a FA corner.
Lack of CB depth - You're right that I didn't address the position in the draft. But we drafted 4 DBs in the 2014 draft - Ward, Johnson, Reaser, and Acker. Trent Baalke has been quoted many times that you don't draft for immediate needs, but rather your anticipated needs 2-3 years down the road. With resigning of Cox, a healthy Brock, and Ward and Johnson continuing to develop, I feel like we have good talent for dime or nickel situational play. And now insert McFadden, along with healthy Acker and Reaser, and the depth is actually pretty good. Getting Acker and Reaser back is similar to drafting CBs in the 4-5 rounds.
Parker trade up - As long as it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg, you get the guy that you feel like is the best fit for your team in the short-term and long-term. A trade up for Parker reminds me of the trade up for Reid. We had a void at the position and many critics felt he was drafted higher than he should, but our staff knew he'd be a good fit. And he turned into a pro bowler.
Duke Johnson - We all have opinions of when and who we should draft RBs. And for Kubiak's system, Johnson is a great fit alongside Hyde. Throw in the last hurrah for Frank Gore and a healthy Hunter, and our position is stacked. Think 2 years down the road though...Gore will be retired and Hunter may not be on the team anymore. So it sets us for success in the long-run. It's Baalke's MO. Could we wait for rounds 3-4-5 to address RB? Absolutely. But it adds a whole new dimension when your RBs can run effectively AND be integrated into the passing attack - something our team has been sorely lacking since the Martz/Turner systems.
Gary Kubiak - All candidates have their pros and cons. Kubiak is a safe choice. He's been a successful HC, a proven offensive innovator, has ties to the 49ers, and brings a few good coaches on the O side of the ball. And I don't think he'd upset the defensive coaching staff with his hire because of his credibility. And lastly, four names to come mind: John Fox, Andy Reid, Jim Caldwell, and Tom Coughlin. Three coaches that had success with their first HC stints, eventually declined and got fired, and got right back up and found continued success with their second teams.
Does Kubiak has some flaws? Yes. But as Baalke said at his presser, this is a reload situation, not a rebuild. He doesn't have to worry about finding a franchise QB. He doesn't have to worry about finding a franchise LT. He doesn't have to worry about the D. You implement your offensive system, fill your core voids across the team, and let your staff do their jobs.
Now if we don't get Kubiak, I'm a fan of Gase as an alternate candidate. I'd be okay with Fangio, but I'm wary of the domino impact it'l have on our team.
Yea i agree we drafted a lot of CBs last draft and these guys could be good but that is a big IF. the strength of that depth is really unknown because we dont know how good acker and reaser are yet. If one of them turn out to be solid then i agree with you.
Jan 11, 2015 at 4:23 AM
- 49ersPrincipality
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I Love all of it!!! ...Minus the Blaine Gabbert still being on the team, wtf?
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