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Jan 10, 2015 at 3:20 AM
- English
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It isn't the way I would do it but I see the logic and wouldn't be that unhappy. Only one thing, we can't go through another season with no depth behind Kaepernick. I am prepared to bet that they draft a QB somewhere, even if it is just a long shot 7th rounder. So who would you see us picking up in FA for this? Or is it Gabbert?
Jan 10, 2015 at 5:33 AM
- SteveYoung
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So you take two backups with our first two picks?? No thanks.
Ian Williams was a top 5 ranked NT. Dorsey got an extension. Dial showed potential. The absolute LAST thing we need on this team is a NT.
We spend a 3rd on Brandon Thomas. He will be a perfect swing tackle if he doesn't start at LG
Ian Williams was a top 5 ranked NT. Dorsey got an extension. Dial showed potential. The absolute LAST thing we need on this team is a NT.
We spend a 3rd on Brandon Thomas. He will be a perfect swing tackle if he doesn't start at LG
Jan 10, 2015 at 6:35 AM
- Murphys1
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It will be fun to watch our "two draft classes" develop together....that is, the list you have of "young players to develop", and our 2015 actual draft class. Guys like Ellington, Patton, Millard, Skov, Reaser, Carridine, Dial, Borland, etc. with the 2 or 3 impact players we will draft will be exciting. Also, like the Anderson pick in the 4th. He always reminds me a bit of J. Smith when I watch him play.
Jan 10, 2015 at 6:46 AM
- pwillis52beasty
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If we don't come away with a 6'2+ explosive receiver either through the draft, free agency, or in a trade then it's not a very good offseason in my opinion. We need a truly elite #1 receiver that is a physical specimen with a big wingspan.
The reason this is a necessity is because we've seen what has happened these last few years with our receiving core. We either have had a bunch of possession receivers or smaller fast guys that can hardly get off the line of scrimmage. When you have a quarterback with inconsistent accuracy, you need to get a receiver with a large wingspan who can create separation between him and the defender.
The panthers got that kind of guy for Cam Newton and now we need to get that kind of guy for Kap. Let's face it, Kap is not throwing pinpoint passes on the money right as receivers get out of their breaks, like a Aaron Rodgers, Brees, Manning, etc. He needs bigger targets that can create more separation that compliment his skills better. We need a player in the mold of an AJ Green, Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones, Megatron, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, etc.
Guys that come to mind who could possibly fill that void Dorial Green Beckham, Josh Gordon, Sammie Coates, Ty Montgomery, Devante Parker, Kevin White..
The reason this is a necessity is because we've seen what has happened these last few years with our receiving core. We either have had a bunch of possession receivers or smaller fast guys that can hardly get off the line of scrimmage. When you have a quarterback with inconsistent accuracy, you need to get a receiver with a large wingspan who can create separation between him and the defender.
The panthers got that kind of guy for Cam Newton and now we need to get that kind of guy for Kap. Let's face it, Kap is not throwing pinpoint passes on the money right as receivers get out of their breaks, like a Aaron Rodgers, Brees, Manning, etc. He needs bigger targets that can create more separation that compliment his skills better. We need a player in the mold of an AJ Green, Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones, Megatron, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, etc.
Guys that come to mind who could possibly fill that void Dorial Green Beckham, Josh Gordon, Sammie Coates, Ty Montgomery, Devante Parker, Kevin White..
Jan 10, 2015 at 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by English:It isn't the way I would do it but I see the logic and wouldn't be that unhappy. Only one thing, we can't go through another season with no depth behind Kaepernick. I am prepared to bet that they draft a QB somewhere, even if it is just a long shot 7th rounder. So who would you see us picking up in FA for this? Or is it Gabbert?
There are several veteran backups slated to be free agents that I think we could or should target, including the following:
Shaun Hill
Mark Sanchez
Matt Moore
Tarvaris Jackson
Scott Tolzien
Matt Hasselbeck (not sure if the Colts will re-sign him, but would be a nice veteran presence to hold that clipboard)
Jan 10, 2015 at 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:If we don't come away with a 6'2+ explosive receiver either through the draft, free agency, or in a trade then it's not a very good offseason in my opinion. We need a truly elite #1 receiver that is a physical specimen with a big wingspan.
The reason this is a necessity is because we've seen what has happened these last few years with our receiving core. We either have had a bunch of possession receivers or smaller fast guys that can hardly get off the line of scrimmage. When you have a quarterback with inconsistent accuracy, you need to get a receiver with a large wingspan who can create separation between him and the defender.
The panthers got that kind of guy for Cam Newton and now we need to get that kind of guy for Kap. Let's face it, Kap is not throwing pinpoint passes on the money right as receivers get out of their breaks, like a Aaron Rodgers, Brees, Manning, etc. He needs bigger targets that can create more separation that compliment his skills better. We need a player in the mold of an AJ Green, Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones, Megatron, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, etc.
Guys that come to mind who could possibly fill that void Dorial Green Beckham, Josh Gordon, Sammie Coates, Ty Montgomery, Devante Parker, Kevin White..
You won't find many people disagreeing that we need a bigger receiver who is explosive, but you know something else you also won't find? Many of those guys in the draft. DGB has serious character concerns to answer and a lot of maturity he needs to show he's developed before the team would even consider touching him. Gordon is one mistake away from banishment in the league -- doesn't exactly sound like a move the Niners make if they are so concerned with "winning with class."
Coates and Montgomery are both explosive guys, but they are nowhere near the caliber of prospects that players like Moncrief and Bryant were last year. This weak class has greatly inflated their value and I grade both around the 3rd round range - both very talented kids, but not elite prospects especially considering some of the injury concerns to check out. Now, while I like Parker, he does not fit the mold of "explosive" off the ball. That's actually a primary scouting knock on him. He is a fantastic jump ball guy and his overall speed is slightly above average, but he's not a prototypical fly-down-the-field-and-blow-by-a-defender-with-my-speed kind of player.
All that said, I wouldn't be surprised to see Baalke select another receiver that lacks elite speed. If they are talented and can bring value, that's great. But I think all of us would agree, we need a consistent deep threat at receiver.
Jan 10, 2015 at 10:43 AM
- Hoovtrain
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Not against addressing DL and OL but to use the first 2 picks on guys that probably won't start seems a bit of a waste.
Jan 10, 2015 at 10:59 AM
- tjd808185
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Not saying it's a bad pick but considering that we've shown no priority to the nose tackle position since we went to the 3-4 and it's been perfectly fine I'm not sure why that should change.
Dorsey, Williams. The guy won't play at all next year unless we have injuries galore. I just don't see 1st round value in a nose tackle right now.
Dorsey, Williams. The guy won't play at all next year unless we have injuries galore. I just don't see 1st round value in a nose tackle right now.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Jan 10, 2015 at 11:01 AM ]
Jan 10, 2015 at 11:21 AM
- MadDog49er
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Well thought out and constructed. I tend to believe a corner is also in the mix by the 4th round. In the end, we need talent more than anything else, so in many ways, this is a BPA draft for sure. I like Brown a lot.
Jan 10, 2015 at 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Not against addressing DL and OL but to use the first 2 picks on guys that probably won't start seems a bit of a waste.
Well our first 2 picks last year didn't exactly start either. I think they'd have Brown do some strengthening and conditioning to drop 5 pounds and compete with TJE at DE for McDonald's vacated spot. At 6-4 315, Brown's pass-rush ability would be a nice asset there at LE on defense. I could see us with a nice rotation with Brown and Anderson in the mix.
LE: TJE/Brown*/Dial
NT: Williams/Dorsey/Dial
RE: Carradine/Anderson/Dial
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Jan 10, 2015 at 11:40 AM ]
Jan 10, 2015 at 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:Well thought out and constructed. I tend to believe a corner is also in the mix by the 4th round. In the end, we need talent more than anything else, so in many ways, this is a BPA draft for sure. I like Brown a lot.
We'll have plenty of options to upgrade the DL, and I think we have to take advantage of that. Brown, Covington, Cooper, Edwards, Shelton, Carl Davis. I also like Chickillo in the later rounds.
One player I'm really intrigued by is DIII OL prospect Marpet. I intend to include him in the next mock. Sensational small-school prospect who'll be at the Senior Bowl.
Jan 10, 2015 at 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
We'll have plenty of options to upgrade the DL, and I think we have to take advantage of that. Brown, Covington, Cooper, Edwards, Shelton, Carl Davis. I also like Chickillo in the later rounds.
One player I'm really intrigued by is DIII OL prospect Marpet. I intend to include him in the next mock. Sensational small-school prospect who'll be at the Senior Bowl.
So much will depend on what scheme the team adopts next year defensively. If the team is switching to the 4-3, then the need to draft DL deepens.
Jan 10, 2015 at 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by OnTheClock:We'll have plenty of options to upgrade the DL, and I think we have to take advantage of that. Brown, Covington, Cooper, Edwards, Shelton, Carl Davis. I also like Chickillo in the later rounds.
One player I'm really intrigued by is DIII OL prospect Marpet. I intend to include him in the next mock. Sensational small-school prospect who'll be at the Senior Bowl.
So much will depend on what scheme the team adopts next year defensively. If the team is switching to the 4-3, then the need to draft DL deepens.
I don't think the team will switch based on who that have right now. We would have the three best 3-4 ILBs in the game next season with Willis, Bowman, and Borland. If we moved to a 4-3, I'm not sure what we would do with all that LB talent.
Jan 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I don't think the team will switch based on who that have right now. We would have the three best 3-4 ILBs in the game next season with Willis, Bowman, and Borland. If we moved to a 4-3, I'm not sure what we would do with all that LB talent.
Might be crazy, but I think the team would put Borland in the middle and split Bowman and Willis on the sides. This might actually save Willis some wear and tear and would put three studs along that middle line.
Jan 10, 2015 at 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by OnTheClock:I don't think the team will switch based on who that have right now. We would have the three best 3-4 ILBs in the game next season with Willis, Bowman, and Borland. If we moved to a 4-3, I'm not sure what we would do with all that LB talent.
Might be crazy, but I think the team would put Borland in the middle and split Bowman and Willis on the sides. This might actually save Willis some wear and tear and would put three studs along that middle line.
I could see Bowman making the transition since he's played there before, but just not sure about Willis, since he'd basically be learning a new position on the outside. I'm sure he could do it, but I just wonder how he would look there. It would certainly be interesting with a front 7 of something like that.
Willis - Borland - Bowman
Aldon - Williams - Dorsey - Carradine/Lynch
Aldon - Williams - Dorsey - Carradine/Lynch