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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49erphan:
I think the offense will be going to more three wide receiver sets. That means that Miller (fullback) and Vance (tight end) will probably be playing less snaps - and my hunch is that more often Miller will more likely to stay in than Vance to keep a little more flexibility in power run options from the three receiver sets. With less two tight end sets, I think it is less important to add another highly talented tight end in the draft. I think having Davis and Vance (who plays special teams pretty well) with Celek or another tight end who can play special teams is plenty enough for now.

Admittedly, this is a bit of change in what I was thinking when it looked like Vernon could possibly be a tough hold out. Now that he isn't, I think the Niners management probably have at least another year to see how things shake out before deciding that it might be time to move on from Vernon.

I'm pretty sure you are right that they go to more of a 3 WR set. But where the three tight end set would be most effective is in the red zone and short yardage situations.

Having said that, I'm actually looking to see if carlos hyde can play a bit of fullback or H-back myself. I still think Harbaugh will be a run first coach, the two Martins, Lattimore, and Hyde is way too much draft capital to spend on the ground game if he's truly intending to be a pass first coach.

I hope the coaches come up with some creative ways to use all that talent at the running back and tight ends positions while still putting three wide receivers out there. I can see the potential of Hyde having a significant role if he can pick up the complexity of the offense quick enough to be flexible in the position he plays.

I can see three tight end sets near the goal line possibly working. They need to come up with something because they still too often seem to have to settle for field goals from inside the red zone.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49erphan:
I think the offense will be going to more three wide receiver sets. That means that Miller (fullback) and Vance (tight end) will probably be playing less snaps - and my hunch is that more often Miller will more likely to stay in than Vance to keep a little more flexibility in power run options from the three receiver sets. With less two tight end sets, I think it is less important to add another highly talented tight end in the draft. I think having Davis and Vance (who plays special teams pretty well) with Celek or another tight end who can play special teams is plenty enough for now.

Admittedly, this is a bit of change in what I was thinking when it looked like Vernon could possibly be a tough hold out. Now that he isn't, I think the Niners management probably have at least another year to see how things shake out before deciding that it might be time to move on from Vernon.

I'm pretty sure you are right that they go to more of a 3 WR set. But where the three tight end set would be most effective is in the red zone and short yardage situations.

Having said that, I'm actually looking to see if carlos hyde can play a bit of fullback or H-back myself. I still think Harbaugh will be a run first coach, the two Martins, Lattimore, and Hyde is way too much draft capital to spend on the ground game if he's truly intending to be a pass first coach.

I hope the coaches come up with some creative ways to use all that talent at the running back and tight ends positions while still putting three wide receivers out there. I can see the potential of Hyde having a significant role if he can pick up the complexity of the offense quick enough to be flexible in the position he plays.

I can see three tight end sets near the goal line possibly working. They need to come up with something because they still too often seem to have to settle for field goals from inside the red zone.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Nick O'Leary is an interesting guy that I will be keeping my eye on.

I like him too.Saw a lot of his games cuz I'm an FSU fan
Originally posted by 9ertillidie:
I don't know if anyone else is thinking this but I feel like TE has become one of our needs considering Davis relies on his athleticism which won't be around much longer and Vmac has inconsistent hands.Another reason is Davis is demanding an extension which makes no sense considering the single reason I listed above.


IMO we need to draft a TE in the 1st or 2nd round next year.The biggest name that pops out at me is Devin Funchess. 6'6" 250lb TE with great speed and good hands.Also blocks well.Same amount of athleticism as Vernon just in a bigger body.

He's nowhere near 250, closer to 230 and if that's Jimmy Graham to you, then you have to realize that, Jimmy Graham is not blocking tight end and he get pushed around when he tries to block. I seem to remember both Smiths knocking him around on their way back to Drew Brees. Go for a heavier player, one that can really block.
Originally posted by JW40NINER:
He's nowhere near 250, closer to 230 and if that's Jimmy Graham to you, then you have to realize that, Jimmy Graham is not blocking tight end and he get pushed around when he tries to block. I seem to remember both Smiths knocking him around on their way back to Drew Brees. Go for a heavier player, one that can really block.

I like O'leary too.Great blocker
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Here is an early look at the TE will be available in the upcoming draft.

Numbers are from last year.







[ Edited by buck on Jul 7, 2014 at 8:19 AM ]
Originally posted by Quest4six:
You're underestimating Vmac.

This.
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by 49erphan:
I hope the coaches come up with some creative ways to use all that talent at the running back and tight ends positions while still putting three wide receivers out there. I can see the potential of Hyde having a significant role if he can pick up the complexity of the offense quick enough to be flexible in the position he plays.

I can see three tight end sets near the goal line possibly working. They need to come up with something because they still too often seem to have to settle for field goals from inside the red zone.
The red zone offense has been a problem the last 3 years, not just last year, so I agree that a TE is going to be a need next year. I think one reason we had problems last year was because Vance was still developing as a rookie. Once he masters the offense to the level of Delanie, our Red zone offense should take off because defenses can no longer concentrate on VD. But also Vernon is no spring chicken- a TE chosen in the 4rth round next year might be Vernon's understudy for a couple of years until Vernon calls it quits or we let him go.