Originally posted by Existence:You know you just described the Raider's draft philosophy for the past twenty years, right?
I wouldn't be so sanguine, Raiders have 3 superbowls in their closet.
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Originally posted by Existence:You know you just described the Raider's draft philosophy for the past twenty years, right?
Originally posted by LisaTwelve:No, I didn't know that.
If so, then I guess having a philosophy and implementing / executing it can be two different things
some other Hawks draft tidbits . . .
http://mynorthwest.com/292/2519984/What-we-learned-from-the-Seahawks-2014-draft
Originally posted by Jcool:2012 NFL Draft Grades: Ranking Teams That Failed on Draft Day
No. 1: Seattle Seahawks
After one of the worst picks in the first round I can ever remember, the Seattle Seahawks didn't draft any positions of need or draft for the future.
Pete Carroll is proving why he didn't make it in the NFL the first time. Not only was Bruce Irvin a reach at No. 15, the Seahawks proved they were oblivious to their madness by celebrating their selection.
As if the day wasn't bad enough, Seattle selecting Russell Wilson, a QB that doesn't fit their offense at all, was by far the worst move of the draft. With the two worst moves of the draft, Seattle is the only team that received an F on draft day.
Grade: F
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1165320-2012-nfl-draft-grades-power-ranking-teams-that-failed-on-draft-day
Originally posted by Giedi:
I wouldn't be so sanguine, Raiders have 3 superbowls in their closet.
The 49er defenses during the dynasty years were undersized but fast. Our current defense sports one of the fastest linebacking corps in the NFL. No the last raider super bowl was in 2000, they just didn't win it. The raider defensive philosophy is that speed kills. It's valid now as it was back then - in my opinion. Seaderall's head coach was a 49er defensive coach. You have to remember that. Walsh coachedOriginally posted by Existence:The Raiders had some success with that philosophy, no doubt - but mostly before scheme and technique became as important (if not more important) than freakish athletic ability.
My point is that there is nothing particularly novel or special about that approach.
Oh - and the last Raider's SB was well over 20 years ago...
Originally posted by theduke85:
I'm not sure. Most evaluations of their draft are pretty lukewarm.
Honestly though, Seattle seems to draft somewhat unconventially. If you go back and look at the immediate grades given out after some of their drafts a couple years ago, they were heavily panned by critics. Those drafts went on to produce guys like Russell Wilson, Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman, etc...
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by theduke85:
I'm not sure. Most evaluations of their draft are pretty lukewarm.
Honestly though, Seattle seems to draft somewhat unconventially. If you go back and look at the immediate grades given out after some of their drafts a couple years ago, they were heavily panned by critics. Those drafts went on to produce guys like Russell Wilson, Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman, etc...
The picks of R Wilson and Bobby Wagner were not criticized by any media talking heads. They loved those picks. But they bashed the James Carpenter (1st) and Bruce Irvin (1st) picks and so far, they have been right.
Originally posted by Giedi:
The 49er defenses during the dynasty years were undersized but fast. Our current defense sports one of the fastest linebacking corps in the NFL. No the last raider super bowl was in 2000, they just didn't win it. The raider defensive philosophy is that speed kills. It's valid now as it was back then - in my opinion. Seaderall's head coach was a 49er defensive coach. You have to remember that. Walsh coached
with the Raiders and a lot of what Al did defensively is what Walsh and Seifert did with us during the dynasty years. Don't make the mistake of underestimating Seadderalls defense or how they are building it.
Originally posted by kronik:
The picks of R Wilson and Bobby Wagner were not criticized by any media talking heads. They loved those picks. But they bashed the James Carpenter (1st) and Bruce Irvin (1st) picks and so far, they have been right.
No. 1: Seattle Seahawks
After one of the worst picks in the first round I can ever remember, the Seattle Seahawks didn't draft any positions of need or draft for the future.
Pete Carroll is proving why he didn't make it in the NFL the first time. Not only was Bruce Irvin a reach at No. 15, the Seahawks proved they were oblivious to their madness by celebrating their selection.
As if the day wasn't bad enough, Seattle selecting Russell Wilson, a QB that doesn't fit their offense at all, was by far the worst move of the draft. With the two worst moves of the draft, Seattle is the only team that received an F on draft day.
Grade: F
NO. 75: SEAHAWKS SELECT: RUSSELL WILSON, QB, WISCONSINGRADE
Why does Seattle take him? They paid Matt Flynn and have two others. Strange pick.D
Originally posted by LisaTwelve:
au contraire . . .
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24433089/russell-wilson-remembers-people-ripping-seahawks-2012-draft-class
No. 1: Seattle Seahawks
After one of the worst picks in the first round I can ever remember, the Seattle Seahawks didn't draft any positions of need or draft for the future.
Pete Carroll is proving why he didn't make it in the NFL the first time. Not only was Bruce Irvin a reach at No. 15, the Seahawks proved they were oblivious to their madness by celebrating their selection.
As if the day wasn't bad enough, Seattle selecting Russell Wilson, a QB that doesn't fit their offense at all, was by far the worst move of the draft. With the two worst moves of the draft, Seattle is the only team that received an F on draft day.
Grade: F
NO. 75: SEAHAWKS SELECT: RUSSELL WILSON, QB, WISCONSINGRADE
Why does Seattle take him? They paid Matt Flynn and have two others. Strange pick.D
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Seattle is going through what all Superbowl teams do, a s**tty post-SB offseason. -This happened to the Saints, Giants, and Ravens; crappy draft positioning + contracts to be paid in full (which cripple the SB depth). I think most 'real' Hawks fans know they're probably not going all the way again (probably not even making the playoffs), but they're not gonna admit that (and who could blame them).