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MadDog49er's FInal Draft Review and Niners' Draft Grade

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
And now Brooks is one of the best players at his position in the league. Your point was?

You were critiquing my analysis of Brooks at that time when the rest of the league, who you classified as "in the know" felt the same exact way. If he was such a hot commodity back then, everyone would have put a waiver claim on him, which they didn't.

I think Amp is pointing out that your extremely harsh criticism of Brooks went on long after he became a Niner.

It did take time for Brooks to prove himself, and he may still have some personal demons to keep at bay, but he's been a terrific OLB and a key part of the defense these past three years.

So I think Amp's point has some merit--you do have a tendency to be overly harsh when you label a player based on their past actions(what you said about both Brooks and Boone comes to mind).

If you're saying that a person's past should not be ignored, and that they should not be trusted until they show, by their actions, that they have reformed, that seems reasonable.

Its helpful to keep in mind that sometimes people are able to reform--Boone and Brooks again--and so perhaps Lynch should not be completely condemned, ignored, and/or passed over in the draft.

Some skepticism about the selection may be merited, but Baalke's and Harbaugh's willingness to take a risk on Lynch in the 5th round--given his first round talent--does not seem to be a complete "fail." They did their due diligence,recognize the risk, and have openly acknowledged it.

To the extent that your harsh criticism of Lynch signals that Lynch has had some serious problems--even if he's never been in trouble with the law--serves as a helpful warning to Niner fans that perhaps we should not get too excited about him just yet. Duly noted.

BTW, I don't know if you listened to Lynch's post selection media interview, but he came across as polite, humble, cognizant of his past problems and anxious to overcome them. Maybe just a small step, but a step in the right direction. IMHO.
yeah don't understand the other points on the QB's and the Browns

if a QB is your #1 what does it matter what slot he was taken
if a team likes one guy over another they going to take him if they need a QB
Jax got who they wanted

said on NFL radio that the browns coaches found out about Gordon on Friday

Browns sold around 3k season tickets in the 24 hours after Johnny football was drafted
If Ramsey didn't have injury concerns, what round would he have been graded at? My guess is they are taking the risk that his injuries were a series of bad luck and flukes. Seems to be a variation of their value philosophy.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Maybe the Niners can find someone to do an exorcism on Lynch. Just sayin.......

Maybe they can hire Mike Singletary to come back to the team and take his pants down

Sing should quit coaching and become a consultant to turn high potential players who are train wreaks around.

In the NFL he's make a fortune1
I can't imagine why people would grade taking a guy like Lynch in the fifth round as an F or a D. This is a low-risk, high possible reward pick if I ever saw one. There are always examples of players with tremendous physical potential with motivational and/or psychological problems at the college level who pull it together in the pros and the reason is obvious - in the pros, they're liable to be surrounded by disciplined, hard-working athletes as opposed to frat boys. And, let's not forget that in the pros, the player is actually making serious money even at the rookie level. If Lynch fines the motivation and the mental discipline necessary to catch on with the team, they'll end up looking like witches for taking him. He'll be an absolute steal. And if he doesn't, it's a fifth round pick. Whatever.
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Could be right on Sam. I just think the league wanted to do something to not appear homophobic. I could be entirely wrong. I just don't buy that he was a legit prospect since this offseason.

of course he was taken because he was gay. the head coach of the rams is very astute when it comes to politics. with that front four they have, it was not a need. now the bigger question comes later. do they keep him because he is gay because you know the firestorm that will come from certain quarters of society if he gets cut. cutting a better player to keep one just because he is gay is beyond PC in my opinion. he sucked vs good teams and while he has a nice motor and in limited play could give a blow to one of the lineman from time to time,, he is not worthy of being a nfl player in my opinion.
What I don't get: Sam comes out as gay to stand up for the proposition that he should be considered as a football player, and not judged b/c he's gay.

Then the media, and everyone else, apparently, spends all their time focused on the fact that he's gay.

Seems contradictory.

And a waste of time discussing.
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
A terrific year has wrapped, as the Niners unwrapped their new toys for 2014. Before going through my Niners' review, a few thoughts:

* Although Bortles was my number one QB entering the draft (Garappolo second and Bridgewater third), selecting him at 3 was ridiculous. Two of the greatest deficiencies with the Jags were pass rush and production at WR. How they could pass on Mack and Watkins is stunning.

* Nobody should be celebrating the Browns draft. As stated before the draft, the Browns will figure a way to screw up the draft. A;ready knowing that Gordon was going to be suspended probably for a year, they bypass Watkins by trading him for a future first and selecting Gilbert at 9. They compound the problem by selecting Manziel, a warm weather QB in Cleveland. Memo to Cleveland: Don't overthink the draft. Just select the best player and move on.

Finally, and most controversially, the Rams selection of Michael Sam reeks of a PR stunt. While I salute Sam coming forward, and hope he finds success in life...I cannot believe I am about to say what I am about to say...here was a guy who was drafted because he was gay. Breaking the barrier in any sports league should be legit, and I feel that the NFL knew there would be a significant blowback if he was not selected...hence making some wink-wink deal with a team to make the pick. An orchestrated breaking of the barrier only does damage to the cause in the end. Michael Sam jumped a vertical of 25 inches at the combine. That is the level of am morbidly overweight, out of shape RT. That number would be dead last amongst the QBs at the combine. His shuttle time was dead last amongst DEs, and by a substantial margin. He was second to last in the bench press. Taking the combo stats of speed, strength, explosiveness into account, and the struggle of the Senior Bowl week, he should not have been drafted.

OK, let's get the Niners' grade: A-

A really solid set of picks by the team. Let me break down each one
1- Ward. Was the top guy on my board. Will be a slot CB immediately. Can cover anything. Dominated Senior Bowl week. I am guessing a move to SS in year two or three. Just a great football player. Instant impact. GRADE: A+
2- Carlos Hyde- Was the top guy on my board. Great value pick with a player I felt was top 10-15 overall in the draft. Of course, the position drops the value down a bit, since the league has really become a pass-first league. Sneaky fast, smooth through holes, tough and durable, great hands. Has all the tools to be great in the NFL. Graded him similarly to Lacy. GRADE: A+
3- M. Martin- Three in a row for top guy on my board....that will never happen again in a million years....was Baalke reading off my sheet? Great athlete, smooth and savvy, and has the ability play center or guard. Future starter. Much better than C. Rachal coming out of college. GRADE: A+
4- Borland- Not the top guy on my board, but not far off it. I believe I had him sixth best at this point. Great college player, Aced the Senior Bowl, terrific instincts, tough as nails. T-Rex arms and limited ability to be a terrific three down backer a slight concern. Can step in and compete to replace Bowman from Day One. Here is the downgrade: when Bowman does return, Borland is not going to hit the field on defense...ever. To me, there were other players that can be long-range starters for the team. My pick was Phillip Gaines of Rice, who I believe will be a solid starting CB in the NFL. We need a starting caliber outside the hashes CB for down the road. This was the area we had to make this move. GRADE: B
5-Thomas. Love Thomas, and love the pick. Near the top of my board, I believe third. Legit starting abilities. Here is the next LG if Iupati leaves after this season. Smooth, smart, good athlete, can play four positions across the line, made Clowney look ordinary in one on one matchup. My pick in this spot was Martavis Bryant. GRADE: A+
6- Ellington- Really talented college WR who add special teams skills. Quick rather than fast, smart instinctual player. Had him fifth on my board at the time. A very good value pick in this spot. My pick- NT D. Jones of Penn State. GRADE: A
7- Dontae Johnson- Loved the pick. Johnson was nearly at the top of my board...I believe third at the time. Legit nickel/dime corner with excellent height and length. Good athlete, productive. No issue with the pick. My selection at 129: Aaron Murray. GRADE: A
8- Aaron Lynch- Suddenly the dark clouds appear. Worst pick of the day in value for the team. At 150, still a bunch of guys who are going to help the team. Lynch is a formerly great, self-indulged, spoiled, bad attitude, me-first train wreck of a person. Now onto his good characteristics...haha. If he makes the 53 man roster, it will be one of the greatest shocks. Do we really want to add this kid onto a list of guys with character questions on our team? No confidence in him. My pick at 150- Jackson Jeffcoat...who went undrafted, surprisingly, but will contribute more to the NFL than Lynch. GRADE: F-
9- Reaser- Kind of a head scratcher to me at this point. Thought Acker was the superior of the two. A pretty smooth athlete, but doesn't seem to have the competitive fire I believe a Dsy Three selectee needs. Will be a PUP guy, so a roster stash. Top guy on my board by far was Jordan Tripp, who has no business being selected this late. GRADE: C
10- Acker- A good value pick. Good, not great athlete, but excellent instincts. I thought played well against good competition this year. Down the board quite a bit for me, and after the selection of Reaser, seems a bit redundant. Seems to me the team had both graded the same, and thinks one of the two will make it, but hedging their bets by selecting both. My pick was safety Craig Loston of LSU, who went undrafted, but I feel will make a roster. GRADE: B
11- Ramsey- Guys with experience along the line, but not a full-time starter. Honestly, nothing to be excited about. Not that athletic, not tall, Would be shocked if he made the roster. Much better player, DE DeAndre Coleman still on the board, who was my pick at 243. GRADE: D
12- Trey Millard- Loved the pick. Had him graded as the number one FB in the draft. Has all the tools- speed, strength, toughness, hands. Would have gone substantially earlier without the injury. A lot to like here. No complaint. My pick: OT James Hurst of North Carolina. GRADE: A

In the end, I get the Niners' strategy with an already deep roster...stash these players on the PUP or Injured Reserve for 2014 and let them compete in 2015. Sometimes this strategy works, sometimes not.

Some people may want to add traded picks for players as part of the draft grade (S. Johnson), or future picks gained through trades. I don't evaluate that way, but only on the picks themselves in their respected slot.

Review of my draft:
1- Ward
2- Hyde
3- Martin
4- Gaines
5- Bryant
6- Jones
7- Murray
8- Jeffcoat
9- Tripp
10- Loston
11- Coleman
12- Hurst

Overall, stellar work by Baalke and Company. Now, if there is a way to go back to 2011 and pick up that 99 kid from the University of Wisconsin.....

Thanks to all for a great year.

Got to love this man. I mean the sumb***h says what he feels and knows what he wants. If the Niners go another way, he still b***hes about it, but at least has a reason for it. Do I agree wit dis sumb***h? Hell naw! But, he is a HOF; I give Maddog an A for his efforts, B+ for standing in their like a HOF does and taking the shots, and C+ for his hatred, albeit understandable, of Aaron Lynch--takes Balls to go against a tide of folks that think this could be a steal for the Niners.








































Overall grade for Maddog:












JRG: STUNNER! STUNNER! HE STUNNED HIM! THAT SUMb***h FROPWNS JUST STUNNED THE WEBZONE'S PREMIER DRAFT PRACTITIONER!!!

Asian Jeff: I can't believe it, JRG.

JRG: I CAN! FROPWNS IS GAWD DAMN MENACE TO SOCIETY WHILE DRINKING YOUR GIN AND JUICE IN DA HOOD! MADDOG COMES OUT, ASIAN JEFF, AND PROVIDES A GAWD DAMN SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY, TAKES s**t FOR IT.

Asian Jeff: Ass loads of it, too!

JRG: BUCK LOADS OF IT, ASIAN JEFF. I MEAN HE ROLLS IN THE s**t, EATS IT, AND SPITS IT RIGHT BACK AT THEM. THIS MOTHERf**kER IS THE DEBUTANT OF s**t! AND YET, HE PICKS UP ONE, CRAMS IT IN HIS MOUTH AND GRINS! HE TAKES THE s**t, SIR!

Asian Jeff: No doubt about it, JRG.

JRG: BUT NOW THIS HALF-ASS, FROPWNS, A HOF TOO! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? COMES OUT HERE, BUCKET OF s**t IN HAND, AND STARTS SLINGING. WHERE ARE THE MODS? WHERE IS THE JUSTICE? AH s**t, WE GOT TO GO TO BREAK!
[ Edited by fropwns on May 12, 2014 at 10:55 AM ]
Originally posted by AmpLee:
BTW, did Aaron Lynch steal you lunch money?

I can remember another "train wreck of a person" become quite a player for us. A guy who you wanted no part of. Ahmad Brooks. Again, it's probably best left to the staff who are in the know to determine the "train wreck"ness of a human being. Lol.

Why do I remember MD being high on a.brooks the punt returning LB?
Originally posted by fropwns:
Got to love this man. I mean the sumb***h says what he feels and knows what he wants. If the Niners go another way, he still b***hes about it, but at least has a reason for it. Do I agree wit dis sumb***h? Hell naw! But, he is a HOF; I give Maddog an A for his efforts, B+ for standing in their like a HOF does and taking the shots, and C+ for his hatred, albeit understandable, of Aaron Lynch--takes Balls to go against a tide of folks that think this could be a steal for the Niners.

Overall grade for Maddog:


JRG: STUNNER! STUNNER! HE STUNNED HIM! THAT SUMb***h FROPWNS JUST STUNNED THE WEBZONE'S PREMIER DRAFT PRACTITIONER!!!

Asian Jeff: I can't believe it, JRG.

JRG: I CAN! FROPWNS IS GAWD DAMN MENACE TO SOCIETY WHILE DRINKING YOUR GIN AND JUICE IN DA HOOD! MADDOG COMES OUT, ASIAN JEFF, AND PROVIDES A GAWD DAMN SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY, TAKES s**t FOR IT.

Asian Jeff: Ass loads of it, too!

JRG: BUCK LOADS OF IT, ASIAN JEFF. I MEAN HE ROLLS IN THE s**t, EATS IT, AND SPITS IT RIGHT BACK AT THEM. THIS MOTHERf**kER IS THE DEBUTANT OF s**t! AND YET, HE PICKS UP ONE, CRAMS IT IN HIS MOUTH AND GRINS! HE TAKES THE s**t, SIR!

Asian Jeff: No doubt about it, JRG.

JRG: BUT NOW THIS HALF-ASS, FROPWNS, A HOF TOO! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? COMES OUT HERE, BUCKET OF s**t IN HAND, AND STARTS SLINGING. WHERE ARE THE MODS? WHERE IS THE JUSTICE? AH s**t, WE GOT TO GO TO BREAK!

Dude, you've clearly got too much time on your hands!
I wanted Jordy Tripp also. I know him personally. Great character and would have been a great pick up. Can play inside or out at LB and would have been a very good STs guy.
I give the Niners an A, minimum. If I really want to be ticky-tack, the only thing I could say I would've taken a different player on was the Kaleb Ramsey pick. But then again, would any DL added that late make the roster anyway?

By the later part of the draft, taking Lynch wasn't much of a risk anymore. Low risk, high reward, so I thought it was worth it.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Could be right on Sam. I just think the league wanted to do something to not appear homophobic. I could be entirely wrong. I just don't buy that he was a legit prospect since this offseason.

of course he was taken because he was gay. the head coach of the rams is very astute when it comes to politics. with that front four they have, it was not a need. now the bigger question comes later. do they keep him because he is gay because you know the firestorm that will come from certain quarters of society if he gets cut. cutting a better player to keep one just because he is gay is beyond PC in my opinion. he sucked vs good teams and while he has a nice motor and in limited play could give a blow to one of the lineman from time to time,, he is not worthy of being a nfl player in my opinion.

Pun intended?
Originally posted by cciowa:
of course he was taken because he was gay. the head coach of the rams is very astute when it comes to politics. with that front four they have, it was not a need. now the bigger question comes later. do they keep him because he is gay because you know the firestorm that will come from certain quarters of society if he gets cut. cutting a better player to keep one just because he is gay is beyond PC in my opinion. he sucked vs good teams and while he has a nice motor and in limited play could give a blow to one of the lineman from time to time,, he is not worthy of being a nfl player in my opinion.

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Originally posted by pizza1:
Originally posted by cciowa:
of course he was taken because he was gay. the head coach of the rams is very astute when it comes to politics. with that front four they have, it was not a need. now the bigger question comes later. do they keep him because he is gay because you know the firestorm that will come from certain quarters of society if he gets cut. cutting a better player to keep one just because he is gay is beyond PC in my opinion. he sucked vs good teams and while he has a nice motor and in limited play could give a blow to one of the lineman from time to time,, he is not worthy of being a nfl player in my opinion.