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MadDog49er's FInal Draft Review and Niners' Draft Grade

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
My Draft Grades:
Niners A
Maddog B-

Niners selections were solid throughout. On the other hand, the best I can give you a is a B- for wanting to take 4 players that werent even drafted (Jeffcoat, Coleman, Loston and Hurst)

You can't legitimately count Coleman and Hurst, since there were only a dozen or so picks after them. You have to also consider that the late rounders the Niners selected may also have gone undrafted if the team did not select them.
Bottom line though.. you did want to pick 4 guys that went undrafted. All 32 teams disagreed with you on these players worth. Because of that I have to downgrade your grade drastically. Sorry Maddog. And you started off so well too.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
My Draft Grades:
Niners A
Maddog B-

Niners selections were solid throughout. On the other hand, the best I can give you a is a B- for wanting to take 4 players that werent even drafted (Jeffcoat, Coleman, Loston and Hurst)

You can't legitimately count Coleman and Hurst, since there were only a dozen or so picks after them. You have to also consider that the late rounders the Niners selected may also have gone undrafted if the team did not select them.

Originally posted by AmpLee:
BTW, did Aaron Lynch steal you lunch money?

I can remember another "train wreck of a person" become quite a player for us. A guy who you wanted no part of. Ahmad Brooks. Again, it's probably best left to the staff who are in the know to determine the "train wreck"ness of a human being. Lol.

If you look back at when the Bengals released him, the only team to put in a claim off waivers for Brooks was the Niners. And, that was with the previous administration.

31 teans in the NFL bypassed Brooks...those "in the know"
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Bottom line though.. you did want to pick 4 guys that went undrafted. All 32 teams disagreed with you on these players worth. Because of that I have to downgrade your grade drastically. Sorry Maddog. And you started off so well too.

Just for fun, let's play with the last two undrafted. Let's say that the Niners selected 253 and 254, and neither of my two picks were drafted in the last two slots (255 and 256), you would downgrade?
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
BTW, did Aaron Lynch steal you lunch money?

I can remember another "train wreck of a person" become quite a player for us. A guy who you wanted no part of. Ahmad Brooks. Again, it's probably best left to the staff who are in the know to determine the "train wreck"ness of a human being. Lol.

If you look back at when the Bengals released him, the only team to put in a claim off waivers for Brooks was the Niners. And, that was with the previous administration.

31 teans in the NFL bypassed Brooks...those "in the know"

And now Brooks is one of the best players at his position in the league. Your point was?
Originally posted by AmpLee:
BTW, did Aaron Lynch steal you lunch money?

I can remember another "train wreck of a person" become quite a player for us. A guy who you wanted no part of. Ahmad Brooks. Again, it's probably best left to the staff who are in the know to determine the "train wreck"ness of a human being. Lol.

Baalke interviewed the guy more than once and Harbaugh's good friend and Lynch's coach vouched for the kid. I have to believe that the team had way more information than anyone on this board about Lynch.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
And now Brooks is one of the best players at his position in the league. Your point was?

You were critiquing my analysis of Brooks at that time when the rest of the league, who you classified as "in the know" felt the same exact way. If he was such a hot commodity back then, everyone would have put a waiver claim on him, which they didn't.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by theduke85:
Wow, interesting. I'm very intrigued by the Lynch pick. Harbaugh mentioned that he talked with USF's coach before the pick and that he vouched for Lynch. Of course, Harbaugh talks up literally every player, so it's tough to take what he says publicly seriously.

However, I read the he was kicked out of an interview before the draft because he was caught lying. That's awful. Doesn't sound like the guy has put the past behind him...

The team obviously feels that the upside outweigh the risks. I disagree.

Maybe the Niners can find someone to do an exorcism on Lynch. Just sayin.......
Interesting to me that Borland gets a B grade from you being picked 77th but Sam should not have been drafted at all. Both have athletic limitations (Sam has more), but Sam has reasonable length and size for a 4-3 DE and Borland has horrible size and length for any position. Both were productive college players who may not translate to the NFL. Borland had a 31" vertical and 4.83 40 at the combine. Sam had a 25.5" vertical and 4.91 40 at the combine, but improved on those numbers with a 30.5" vertical and 4.69 unofficial 40 at his pro day which converted would likely be faster than Borland's combine 40. Borland also jumped 35" but ran a 4.84 and 4.87 40 at his pro day (not sure how these guys are adding 5" from jumping on their own field).

If a team is willing to draft Borland in the 3rd, it doesn't surprise me at all that another team was willing to draft Sam in the 7th even with the media attention that will bring. I don't agree with your statement that he was drafted because he was gay at all. A ton of teams admitted he dropped on their boards because he would be a distraction. One or two scouts said their teams would not have drafted him before the news came out, but I don't believe for a second that all 32 teams would have passed on him. The guy plays hard and was way more productive than some other late round picks that aren't great athletes.

The Rams are looking to leverage drafting Sam as a positive PR move. They would be foolish not to. At the end of the day, I think most teams (maybe including the Rams) were looking at this situation and saying that they could get some positive PR out of this, but that would be outweighed by the distraction brought by the media and possible team chemistry issues that came from this. If Sam was straight, his play on the field and pro day results get him drafted. Every team evaluated the pros and cons of drafting Sam differently, so he may not have gone to the Rams, but I wouldn't have been surprised if he went in the 5th or 6th. Borland should not have gone in the 3rd even if instincts count more at ILB.
[ Edited by eastcoast49ersfan on May 11, 2014 at 10:04 PM ]
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Maybe the Niners can find someone to do an exorcism on Lynch. Just sayin.......

Maybe they can hire Mike Singletary to come back to the team and take his pants down
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
And now Brooks is one of the best players at his position in the league. Your point was?

You were critiquing my analysis of Brooks at that time when the rest of the league, who you classified as "in the know" felt the same exact way. If he was such a hot commodity back then, everyone would have put a waiver claim on him, which they didn't.

And before that I was critiquing your analysis on Lynch which was an absurd character assassination from a guy sitting behind a computer screen. Our brass has put in effort to get to know the player and have determined that there's hope that his flaws can be worked through. The point with Brooks was that regardless of how many teams or people on their computers counted the guy out, someone (for our team) saw some hope in the guy and it worked out beautifully. You give this kid no hope. That's your prerogative, but don't expect your opinion on the character of a person to hold much weight when A) you don't know him and B) you've made horrible character predictions in the past.
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Interesting to me that Borland gets a B grade from you being picked 77th but Sam should not have been drafted at all. Both have athletic limitations (Sam has more), but Sam has reasonable length and size for a 4-3 DE and Borland has horrible size and length for any position. Both were productive college players who may not translate to the NFL. Borland had a 31" vertical and 4.83 40 at the combine. Sam had a 25.5" vertical and 4.91 40 at the combine, but improved on those numbers with a 30.5" vertical and 4.69 unofficial 40 at his pro day which converted would likely be faster than Borland's combine 40. Borland also jumped 35" but ran a 4.84 and 4.87 40 at his pro day (not sure how these guys are adding 5" from jumping on their own field).

If a team is willing to draft Borland in the 3rd, it doesn't surprise me at all that another team was willing to draft Sam in the 7th even with the media attention that will bring. I don't agree with your statement that he was drafted because he was gay at all. A ton of teams admitted he dropped on their boards because he would be a distraction. One or two scouts said their teams would not have drafted him before the news came out, but I don't believe for a second that all 32 teams would have passed on him. The guy plays hard and was way more productive than some other late round picks that aren't great athletes.

The Rams are looking to leverage drafting Sam as a positive PR move. They would be foolish not to. At the end of the day, I think most teams (maybe including the Rams) were looking at this situation and saying that they could get some positive PR out of this, but that would be outweighed by the distraction brought by the media and possible team chemistry issues that came from this. If Sam was straight, his play on the field and pro day results get him drafted. Every team evaluated the pros and cons of drafting Sam differently, so he may not have gone to the Rams, but I wouldn't have been surprised if he went in the 5th or 6th. Borland should not have gone in the 3rd even if instincts count more at ILB.

Borland does not have the best measurables, and for many, that raised some red flags. At the same time, he came out and was terrific during Senior Bowl week, which alleviated these fears. Meanwhile, Sam was a mess all offseason. I think that is where you see the difference.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
And before that I was critiquing your analysis on Lynch which was an absurd character assassination from a guy sitting behind a computer screen. Our brass has put in effort to get to know the player and have determined that there's hope that his flaws can be worked through. The point with Brooks was that regardless of how many teams or people on their computers counted the guy out, someone (for our team) saw some hope in the guy and it worked out beautifully. You give this kid no hope. That's your prerogative, but don't expect your opinion on the character of a person to hold much weight when A) you don't know him and B) you've made horrible character predictions in the past.

If you want me to respond, you have to show the slightest bit of civility. Otherwise, I will simply ignore.
And, with that happy finish, I now go to bed at 1:14 AM. See you tomorrow, everyone.
Great work this year. It was crazy how closely your board mirrored Baalke's at the top of the draft, nailing the first 3 picks. Like you said, probably won't happen again in a million years, so I'll expect the usual C- grades going forward.

I understand the low grade on Lynch. To me, it's worth a shot given his unlimited potential, but it is a long shot. Not a very dependable person, he has issues. Really talented kid and I hope he pans out. He could be a scary 3rd down pass rusher for us if he commits. Couple years from now this pick will probably be either an A or F, no in-between.

Kaleb Ramsey is interesting to me. Did not know anything about him before the draft, and I had to chuckle when we selected him. Yet another injury prone player chosen by the 49ers. But from what I've read he's a talented, versatile lineman. Reading his scouting report reminded me a little of Ray McDonald. Will be interesting if he can push for a spot on the d-line.