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Grade the 49ers Entire Draft & UDFA Signings!

Grade the 49ers Entire Draft & UDFA Signings!

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Originally posted by bigwads:
Wow, some serious homerism here. At the end of the day we didn't select one player that should start week one. I gave a C- and it could have been an F.

Homerism C'mon, so you're telling me you don't have confidence in Jimmie Ward starting?? He surely can't be as bad as Carlos Rogers was in 2013. What about Carlos Hyde, I have no doubt he could start in week 1, just like Gore started in 2005 (well not in week one but that season). I also think Chris Borland could start in wek one with the aid of Patrick Willis, Borland is a smart tough player who makes good reads in run support.
Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
Originally posted by bigwads:
Wow, some serious homerism here. At the end of the day we didn't select one player that should start week one. I gave a C- and it could have been an F.

Just out of curiosity, with the picks we had available, who could we have drafted "that should start week one". What CB could we have drafted that would be a gaurantee to beat out Brock or Culliver week one? What WR would beat out Crabtree or Boldin, 2 pro bowl talents?

Ward might be our immediate nickel CB. Hyde may end up with the most carries on the team by the end of the year and should at least rotate in. Martin might start at Center. Borland might start week one and until Bowman recovers with Bowman out. Ellington could rotate in and might also help in the return game.

Joe Montana, Terrel Owens, John Taylor, Frank Gore, Navarro Bowman ect. ect. ect all were not week one starters. What a bunch of wasted draft picks those guys turned out to be.

This is how it works when you have a great team. You want week one starters? Become a Jets fan.

Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
Just out of curiosity, with the picks we had available, who could we have drafted "that should start week one". What CB could we have drafted that would be a gaurantee to beat out Brock or Culliver week one? What WR would beat out Crabtree or Boldin, 2 pro bowl talents?

Ward might be our immediate nickel CB. Hyde may end up with the most carries on the team by the end of the year and should at least rotate in. Martin might start at Center. Borland might start week one and until Bowman recovers with Bowman out. Ellington could rotate in and might also help in the return game.

Joe Montana, Terrel Owens, John Taylor, Frank Gore, Navarro Bowman ect. ect. ect all were not week one starters. What a bunch of wasted draft picks those guys turned out to be.

This is how it works when you have a great team. You want week one starters? Become a Jets fan.

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Biggest deal in the draft was strengthening the Nickel defense. Ward looks like a strong pick. Second biggest issue was WR - the Stevie trade and the ellington pick took care of that. Last issue was the center position, and that was also excellently dealt with. Everything else is gravy. Hyde, and the rest were awesome great gravy & luxury picks. A+ in my opinion.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
I would have liked to see the 49ers get a CB earlier in the draft and in a very deep WR class get at least 1 of the outside threat WR's like a Latimer or Moncreif or Mathews ect.

All that being said the most important thing is that you draft players that can play and help the team and these guys look like they can play. None of our picks have bust or dissapointment written on them. As always it is to early to tell but for now it looks pretty good.

Ward is set to play nickel corner this year.

I agree that a Latimer or Moncrief would've been nice, but the addition of Stevie Johnson (much more of an immediate impact player) made that unnecessary. Going into training camp with Crabby, Boldin, Johnson, Patton, Lloyd, Ellington and Osgood is pretty darn good.

Totally agree. Best set of WR's we will enter camp with in over a decade. That said I would gladly dump Lloyd to develop a Moncreif or a Latimer. Boldin is on borrowed time and Crabtree has an uncertain future with the team. Still, you can't have everything. We drafted very good prospects and that is the most important thing. I am looking forward to seeing these guys play plus our redshirts from last years draft.
A
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
Originally posted by bigwads:
Wow, some serious homerism here. At the end of the day we didn't select one player that should start week one. I gave a C- and it could have been an F.

Just out of curiosity, with the picks we had available, who could we have drafted "that should start week one". What CB could we have drafted that would be a gaurantee to beat out Brock or Culliver week one? What WR would beat out Crabtree or Boldin, 2 pro bowl talents?

Ward might be our immediate nickel CB. Hyde may end up with the most carries on the team by the end of the year and should at least rotate in. Martin might start at Center. Borland might start week one and until Bowman recovers with Bowman out. Ellington could rotate in and might also help in the return game.

Joe Montana, Terrel Owens, John Taylor, Frank Gore, Navarro Bowman ect. ect. ect all were not week one starters. What a bunch of wasted draft picks those guys turned out to be.

This is how it works when you have a great team. You want week one starters? Become a Jets fan.


MC9, amen bro. People are seriously unable to analyze the current roster. This team is loaded. No rookie we could have drafted woukd instantly start on this roster, not even Odell Beckham. Grading a draft by instant starters is highly flawed logic. Bad teams are forced to instantly start multiple rookies. Good teams pick contributors who are good enough to start, but dont because the roster is so deep. In the mean time, a guy like Ward has a clearly defined role as slot corner where he can make an instant contribution.
meh + +
Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
A

You had me at "A"
I'm pumped about the Ward pick. Going back at closely looking at his coverage skills makes me think he'll be a steal. A physical nickel that can make plays and cover is a huge bonus. He's so good against the run, he can stay on the field.

We desperately needed a big back, so I'm pleased with Hyde.

Borland is a gamer. Him and Shazier were the clear prizes at MLB, IMO. Love that pick.

We finally drafted a top caliber center and Thomas can be a starter at LG after Iupati leaves. With the addition of Martin as our swing tackle, we have excellent depth and youth on the Oline.

Ellington is going to be a great weapon out of the slot and as a returner, as I envision LMJ leaving before the season starts.

If one of the CBs pan out, that's a huge bonus. Baalke has a nice track record with finding CBs, so I'm optimistic there.

Lynch has incredible athleticism and a nice frame to get bigger. I like that pick.

Millard is the top FB, who can do it all. I like Miller, but I think we upgraded that position.

Overall, this looks like an outstanding draft. Most of these guys were rated as having 2nd round talent and we didn't have to reach for them. In fact, most of them fell to us a round later. It was a great combination of need and BPA.

The only thing left to be desired is WR. If we signed Johnson to a longer deal at a discount, we ease that concern. I think Patton is going to be a great player and Ellington could as well. This is the best WR corps we've had in over a decade. Kaepernick has weapons everywhere. Even if we have some setbacks with injuries, the next man up is very capable.

I'd give Baalke an A- for now. These "red shirts" could make this draft his best to date. I applaud the organization for how they're acquiring talent and looking down the road to sustain our dominance. We're in the toughest division in the league and I like our chances. That's all you can ask for in the offseason.
[ Edited by strickac on May 11, 2014 at 6:03 PM ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Solid A

1.) Jimmie Ward, CB/S - Strong contender to start as our nickel corner; future FS
2.) Carlos Hyde, RB - Arguably the best RB in the draft adding power/speed to our run-heavy offense
3.) Marcus Martin, C - Arguably the best center in the draft; shoring up our shakiest OL position
4.) Chris Borland, ILB - Could challenge Wilhoite for Bowman's spot; likely ace special teamer
5.) Brandon Thomas, OL - Quality insurance in case Iupati leaves, PuP for 2014
6.) Bruce Ellington, WR/ST - Speed/quickness from the slot plus special teams skills
7.) Dontae Johnson, CB - Long CB to challenge Cully; might even be a better as a FS
8.) Aaron Lynch, DE/OLB - Raw pass rush talent nabbed in the 5th; ideal developmental prospect
9.) Keith Reaser, CB - Speedy CB that can be PuPd
10.) Kenneth Acker, CB - Corner with good size; reminds me of Brock
11.) Kaleb Ramsey, DL - Another potential PuP prospect; could be another TJE type of DE/DT
12.) Trey Millard, FB/HB - Top FB in the draft, the 4th PuP prospect and the heir apparent to Bruce Miller

- Add in Stevie Johnson as either a starter or veteran 3rd WR
- 3 guys with clear paths to starting in the next 0-2 years (Ward, Hyde, Martin)
- 3 guys with a real good chance to start down the road but currently blocked by quality veterans (Borland, Thomas, Millard)
- 3 guys with a lot of talent/upside but need time/development (Lynch, Ellington, Johnson)
- Added the top RB, the top C and top FB in the draft

Glad I read your post, this is exactly how I feel. Read some great reviews today of our draft, Kiper said he doesn't think Ellington is a far cry from Cooks and he was picked 86 slots later. Also said that Dontae Johnson could actually compete for a starting CB spot this year.
Originally posted by Quest4six:
Originally posted by bigwads:
Wow, some serious homerism here. At the end of the day we didn't select one player that should start week one. I gave a C- and it could have been an F.

I agree, Harbs has no idea what he is doing and I'm a better GM than Baalke is.

What a seachicken statement. Go back to Seattle.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by bigwads:
Wow, some serious homerism here. At the end of the day we didn't select one player that should start week one. I gave a C- and it could have been an F.

lol that is a TERRIBLE way to judge a draft. Were one of the 3 best rosters in the NFL, and we didnt have a top 10 pick. Who did you think we would get?

BTW, Marcus Martin could very much start week 1 at C, and Jimmie Ward will be our starting Nickel CB.

So suggesting this draft was a C- to an F just proves that you have NO idea what youre talking about. Its probably best if you stop talking about it. Every expert said we killed it in this draft. We got TONS of value, and picked the number 1 ranked SS, RB, and C, as well as the number 2 ILB.
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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by bigwads:
Wow, some serious homerism here. At the end of the day we didn't select one player that should start week one. I gave a C- and it could have been an F.

Well, it's being widely applauded around the patch so I think your charge of homerism is unsupportable.

If you base draft quality on the number of players who will start Week 1 you would be better off supporting a team like the Raiders. With a very strong roster, breaking in will be hard. But I think we will have one starter on week one.

More importantly, we have a bundle of players who will contribute during the season and who will be there when injuries or losses to free agency strike. This is a deep and very strong draft.

One poster has given it an F. Probably a Seahawks fan.

This
B plus. Long term depth with a couple of immediate impact players in Ward and Ellington.