Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Mookster:
C- and here's why.....
Ward.... could have picked him up in the second with a similar move as getting Hyde. Instead drafting a WR or cover CB for depth in case Culliver has a relapse of stupidity or doesn't come back after his own ACL tear. Plus with have $23mil invested in Bethea and just drafted Reid with some depth behind. Ward will have to make a flawless transition back to CB for this to be a good value pick in my mind.
Hyde - With Lattimore coming back and LMJ on the roster an RB pick is an unnecessary luxury especially both trading up to get him and given the depth issue with CB we still have (see Culliver issue above). RBs are much more plug and play. Draft Gore's replacement next year after we know what we have in Lattimore. Bruce Miller could serve as the hammer back in short yardage.
2nd round trades - in a talent laden draft we went from 2 2nd round picks to 1 and picked up a 4th next year in a class that looks to be talent thin. Not good value especially with glaring needs at CB/WR and depth issues at DL and OG
Multiple 5th and beyond picks - outside of finding the diamond in the rough (highly unlikely but still possible) these are camp fodder, PS upgrades and eventual cuts. With such a full roster as it is these were ammunition to get high quality in early rounds. Now they're likely going to waste.
Red shirt OT - we have 3 OTs on the roster (Davis, Staley, Boone) and Marquardt signed last year and coming back after foot injury. Iupati likely gone after this year. Use the pick to get a mauler guard who can learn the offense and eventually replace Iupati.
I've always liked Stevie Johnson as a WR and getting him for what could be a mid round pick next year is a solid move. However, Buffalo is willing to eat a $10million+ cap hit to get rid of him and he's more expensive than drafting Cody Lattimer or Jordan Mathews with less time on his contract (4 +1 if a first rounder). after moving up to get Watkins SJ might have been a June 1st cut.
Overall I'm very disappointed in this draft. We could have come out with a high potentials for #1 WR and CB and instead have SS and RB depth with excess camp fodder in the late rounds. A very poor showing given the hype around this year's talent pool.
I agree with you so join me in my dumb dumb hut I've built in the dunce corner. I like the Johnson Bills pick up but feel, now, it will be all the more likely Crabtree will walk $$- can we afford all this? And Boldin will be gone in 2016. We should have picked up a viable WR this draft in Mathews/Robinson/Lattimer/Moncrief. I'm also not sold on our CB situation and would have liked to pick up a pure CB with some size in the second round. We just PAID Bethea. Bringing in a great safety wasn't necessary- time will tell if Ward will bring A game at nickle. I would have felt much better NOT bringing in Bethea and drafting Ward to play safety and picking up a CB in the second round. We had the picks to do it all. Now what? We have two 4th round picks, 2 fifth round picks, a sixth and 2 seventh round picks. We could have used our original draft stock to move up in the second while still getting Martin in the third. I like the Martin pick.
The RB pick was also a head scratcher. It shows that James is a total bust, that Hunter isnt the guy many fans have pumped him up to be and Lattimore may not be working out due to his injury. I feel we could have picked up a RB next draft in a draft class with viable RB's. I'm not big on the Borland pick when we have the most solid LB core in the NFL with a couple solid back ups. We still needed CB's and to plan for Crabtree/Boldin departing. Again, bringing Johnson in, to me, signals that we're not going to bring Crabtree back. If we hold onto Johnson and resign Crabtree this draft will be MUCH better but the CB issue, I feel, will still haunt us. Not big on the redshirt OT pick seeing I feel we should have moved up for better players who could have had an immediate impact for a 2015 superbowl run. Could have used that pick for another position. Thomas has already had 2 ACL tears- this was a RISKY pick. Could have also picked up a linebacker later in the draft to temporarily fill the void for Bowman but what's wrong with Fleming/Lemonier/Moody/Skuta/Wilhoite for a temporary stop gap?
Generally moving down in the draft with 11 picks to start doesnt sit well with me and the 2015 draft class will be rather weak because of all the underclassmen in this draft so picking up 2015 draft picks isn't so great in this situation.
Pretty much my sentiments with the exception of the RB pick, I actually wanted a RB given 1) LMJ's lack of impact and effectiveness, 2) Frank slowing down, 3) Kendall being just OK and nothing to brag about, all in the context whereby the 9ers is supposed to be a hard-nosed run-first team, so I saw improvement was badly needed for our RB corps. However, I wouldn't have gone for a big back type like Hyde which although big, lacks explosiveness and outright speed. My RB choice would have been Seastrunk. But, hey beggers can't be choosers, heck at least they got a RB.
Other than that, my main gripe with this draft is not unlike what most have commented already. This year's prospects are supposed to be one of best in years and I saw this year's draft as critical in getting us over the hump. So, my premise for this draft was about immediate impact. The way I visualized it was to have legit talents especially in skill positions ready to hit the field from the word go. Needless to say, we also had glaring holes that needed filling, most notably CB and WR. I don't know how many years have we been saying this now in terms of WRs ?! We have been talking about getting a legit deep threat WR for at least 2 years now if not more and what happened again ? Baalke just brushed it aside once more.
Overall, like Mookster said, I am particularly disappointed especially given the depth of such great talents this year. Take WRs for example, I thought OK don't trade up for Evans, Beckham and Cooks which I was fine with, I was going to sit back and thought have faith in Baalke and I was sure he would pick at least one out of Adams, Matthews, Richardson, Moncrief, just someone. As the draft went on, I saw one slipped by after another to the point even Dri Archer has now been taken. That was just gut-wrenching to say the least, there are just no two ways to describe how it went down. Same thing with CBs, I thought OK relax and I was pretty sure even if they wanted to ignore Roby because of his DUI, at least they would pick Jean-Baptiste. Nope.
So, here we are, is the same ole same ole. But, hey I have come to expect this from Baalke year in year out now as in not to expect anything. I actually voted "B-" and frankly I was trying to be nice, but if I am being totally honest, this draft isn't worth anything more than a "C" at best.
Have a drink, forget about it and just let the chips fall as they may.