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Grade the 49ers Draft After Round 3

Grade the 49ers Draft After Round 3

Originally posted by midrdan:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by midrdan:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Whats not to love?

Ward fills two needs with one player, and is extremely gifted. Will fit in well to our scheme on defense, and adds a dimension the secondary was missing.

A lot of people mocked me in my mocks for predicting we would draft two oline man in the first three rounds.

The didnt take the the players i predicted, but they did better IMO. Top C in the draft on a lot of peoples boards, and a top G who fell due to injury that we can redshirt. f**king brilliant.

Looks like a lot of us had Desir ranked higher than the scouts. Still would love to nab him in the 4th.

Im f**king stoked on this draft. People are gonna love Borland. Anyone that knows me knows im a huge fan of drafting players that offer special teams ability, Borland will be a stud for us at ST, and he is ready to step into that #3 LB role day one. Extremely high character, and just an all around great player to have in the locker room.

The one pick that was iffy for me was the RB pick, and it was not because i didnt like the player, it was simply because we are stacked at RB, HOWEVER, i can find no fault in drafting the RB who i had ranked #1 in the draft.

To top if off, we get a 4th next year and extra picks this year?

This draft has been lights out. A grade no doubt.

I don't think we are stacked at RB. Gore is older and slowing down, Lattimore is coming off a major injury, Hunter has regressed and his fumbles have weakened the coaches' confidence in him. James is not a between the tackles runner. Iron sharpens iron. Let the best back tote the rock.

Disagree on Hunter completely. My opinion.

His carries were down last year. He basically cost us the Carolina game. Didn't play significant time in the playoffs. I like Hunter and hope I'm wrong, but the Hyde pick had more to say about the team's confidence in Hunter than Gore's age or Lattimore's injury. Hunter is not an every down back.

I think losing both VD & Celek cost us the Carolina game.
C- and here's why.....

Ward.... could have picked him up in the second with a similar move as getting Hyde. Instead drafting a WR or cover CB for depth in case Culliver has a relapse of stupidity or doesn't come back after his own ACL tear. Plus with have $23mil invested in Bethea and just drafted Reid with some depth behind. Ward will have to make a flawless transition back to CB for this to be a good value pick in my mind.

Hyde - With Lattimore coming back and LMJ on the roster an RB pick is an unnecessary luxury especially both trading up to get him and given the depth issue with CB we still have (see Culliver issue above). RBs are much more plug and play. Draft Gore's replacement next year after we know what we have in Lattimore. Bruce Miller could serve as the hammer back in short yardage.

2nd round trades - in a talent laden draft we went from 2 2nd round picks to 1 and picked up a 4th next year in a class that looks to be talent thin. Not good value especially with glaring needs at CB/WR and depth issues at DL and OG

Multiple 5th and beyond picks - outside of finding the diamond in the rough (highly unlikely but still possible) these are camp fodder, PS upgrades and eventual cuts. With such a full roster as it is these were ammunition to get high quality in early rounds. Now they're likely going to waste.

Red shirt OT - we have 3 OTs on the roster (Davis, Staley, Boone) and Marquardt signed last year and coming back after foot injury. Iupati likely gone after this year. Use the pick to get a mauler guard who can learn the offense and eventually replace Iupati.

I've always liked Stevie Johnson as a WR and getting him for what could be a mid round pick next year is a solid move. However, Buffalo is willing to eat a $10million+ cap hit to get rid of him and he's more expensive than drafting Cody Lattimer or Jordan Mathews with less time on his contract (4 +1 if a first rounder). after moving up to get Watkins SJ might have been a June 1st cut.

Overall I'm very disappointed in this draft. We could have come out with a high potentials for #1 WR and CB and instead have SS and RB depth with excess camp fodder in the late rounds. A very poor showing given the hype around this year's talent pool.
I'm going B+.
Originally posted by aclarke49:
Ward: C- most had him in 2-3
Hyde: B-
Martin: A
Borland: F
Thomas: B+

Most? Elaborate please? I saw him in the first round of more than one mock. Borland an F and Hyde a B- ... really? Sorry, you lost all credibility.
Originally posted by NickSh49:
I think losing both VD & Celek cost us the Carolina game.

Or McDonald's drop ... But injuries happen and the drop wouldn't have been costly if we hadn't have turned the ball over. Again, I like Hunter. He was great in 2012 before his injury. I'm just saying he may not be in our future plans and he certainly wasn't counted on down the stretch last year. In my opinion any veteran that isn't leaned on in the playoffs is expendable.
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Originally posted by aclarke49:
Ward: C- most had him in 2-3
Hyde: B-
Martin: A
Borland: F
Thomas: B+

Most of who? Who are they and why is what they say important?
Originally posted by Mookster:
C- and here's why.....

Ward.... could have picked him up in the second with a similar move as getting Hyde. Instead drafting a WR or cover CB for depth in case Culliver has a relapse of stupidity or doesn't come back after his own ACL tear. Plus with have $23mil invested in Bethea and just drafted Reid with some depth behind. Ward will have to make a flawless transition back to CB for this to be a good value pick in my mind.

Hyde - With Lattimore coming back and LMJ on the roster an RB pick is an unnecessary luxury especially both trading up to get him and given the depth issue with CB we still have (see Culliver issue above). RBs are much more plug and play. Draft Gore's replacement next year after we know what we have in Lattimore. Bruce Miller could serve as the hammer back in short yardage.

2nd round trades - in a talent laden draft we went from 2 2nd round picks to 1 and picked up a 4th next year in a class that looks to be talent thin. Not good value especially with glaring needs at CB/WR and depth issues at DL and OG

Multiple 5th and beyond picks - outside of finding the diamond in the rough (highly unlikely but still possible) these are camp fodder, PS upgrades and eventual cuts. With such a full roster as it is these were ammunition to get high quality in early rounds. Now they're likely going to waste.

Red shirt OT - we have 3 OTs on the roster (Davis, Staley, Boone) and Marquardt signed last year and coming back after foot injury. Iupati likely gone after this year. Use the pick to get a mauler guard who can learn the offense and eventually replace Iupati.

I've always liked Stevie Johnson as a WR and getting him for what could be a mid round pick next year is a solid move. However, Buffalo is willing to eat a $10million+ cap hit to get rid of him and he's more expensive than drafting Cody Lattimer or Jordan Mathews with less time on his contract (4 +1 if a first rounder). after moving up to get Watkins SJ might have been a June 1st cut.

Overall I'm very disappointed in this draft. We could have come out with a high potentials for #1 WR and CB and instead have SS and RB depth with excess camp fodder in the late rounds. A very poor showing given the hype around this year's talent pool.

Ward is versatile, and no guarantee we could get him in rd 2. He can play CB and both FS and SS.

Hyde is a great pick. LMJ sucks, and should be traded or cut, i dont care which. He has a sorry ass attitude.

I gave it an A+ so far.
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Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
How do you think the 49ers have done after Day 2?

1st) Jimmie Ward S/CB - A-
2nd) Carlos Hyde RB - A
3rd) Marcus Martin C - A+
3rd) Chris Borland MLB - B+
3rd) Brandon Thomas OT - B

Originally posted by NickSh49:
Well...

I like the Ward pick, especially if he really can be that versatile and eventually replace Bethea. If he lives up to all the promise of playing nickel, playing safety, and being great at both, it's a phenomenal choice.

I would have traded up for a WR. I know Baalke was after Beckham and the price was too high, so I respect what happened. But Baalke's still sitting on 12 picks now for this year. Twelve goddamn players to mix in on a playoff roster?!?

And I like that we added Stevie Johnson, but the problem is that we're not developing anyone from the ground up besides Patton. Now if you believe in Patton, then you're ok with this. I'm personally not sure about it. Boldin's gonna be gone soon... I'm tired of them just finding last minute band-aids at the position. Vernon is still Vernon though, so...

All of the picks make sense, but man, you have to wonder what Baalke was doing in previous years drafting LMJ and Marcus Lattimore. Yes, I know Lattimore was essentially taking a flyer, but it's still weird too me. And I guess Kendall Hunter is never going to be our bell cow? Which is fine... I mean, this team's gonna have 3-4 solid running backs for a while, so you can't be mad at that. We probably need to pretend Frankie isn't even there anymore... the future is coming.

Love the o-line picks if they pan out... still mad at this team for drafting Cody Wallace back in the day when EVERY SCOUT IN THE WORLD said he was a bum. Baalke drafted Navorrow Bowman, so I trust his instincts on LB's.

Onward.
I liked the Lattimore pick, but really wanted Knile Davis. In Hind sight i think Davis would have been the better pick, probably would have eliminated the need for a RB this year, but the past is the past, and im excited about the future two headed monster.
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Originally posted by Mookster:
C- and here's why.....

Ward.... could have picked him up in the second with a similar move as getting Hyde. Instead drafting a WR or cover CB for depth in case Culliver has a relapse of stupidity or doesn't come back after his own ACL tear. Plus with have $23mil invested in Bethea and just drafted Reid with some depth behind. Ward will have to make a flawless transition back to CB for this to be a good value pick in my mind.

Hyde - With Lattimore coming back and LMJ on the roster an RB pick is an unnecessary luxury especially both trading up to get him and given the depth issue with CB we still have (see Culliver issue above). RBs are much more plug and play. Draft Gore's replacement next year after we know what we have in Lattimore. Bruce Miller could serve as the hammer back in short yardage.

2nd round trades - in a talent laden draft we went from 2 2nd round picks to 1 and picked up a 4th next year in a class that looks to be talent thin. Not good value especially with glaring needs at CB/WR and depth issues at DL and OG

Multiple 5th and beyond picks - outside of finding the diamond in the rough (highly unlikely but still possible) these are camp fodder, PS upgrades and eventual cuts. With such a full roster as it is these were ammunition to get high quality in early rounds. Now they're likely going to waste.

Red shirt OT - we have 3 OTs on the roster (Davis, Staley, Boone) and Marquardt signed last year and coming back after foot injury. Iupati likely gone after this year. Use the pick to get a mauler guard who can learn the offense and eventually replace Iupati.

I've always liked Stevie Johnson as a WR and getting him for what could be a mid round pick next year is a solid move. However, Buffalo is willing to eat a $10million+ cap hit to get rid of him and he's more expensive than drafting Cody Lattimer or Jordan Mathews with less time on his contract (4 +1 if a first rounder). after moving up to get Watkins SJ might have been a June 1st cut.

Overall I'm very disappointed in this draft. We could have come out with a high potentials for #1 WR and CB and instead have SS and RB depth with excess camp fodder in the late rounds. A very poor showing given the hype around this year's talent pool.

I agree with you so join me in my dumb dumb hut I've built in the dunce corner. I like the Johnson Bills pick up but feel, now, it will be all the more likely Crabtree will walk $$- can we afford all this? And Boldin will be gone in 2016. We should have picked up a viable WR this draft in Mathews/Robinson/Lattimer/Moncrief. I'm also not sold on our CB situation and would have liked to pick up a pure CB with some size in the second round. We just PAID Bethea. Bringing in a great safety wasn't necessary- time will tell if Ward will bring A game at nickle. I would have felt much better NOT bringing in Bethea and drafting Ward to play safety and picking up a CB in the second round. We had the picks to do it all. Now what? We have two 4th round picks, 2 fifth round picks, a sixth and 2 seventh round picks. We could have used our original draft stock to move up in the second while still getting Martin in the third. I like the Martin pick.

The RB pick was also a head scratcher. It shows that James is a total bust, that Hunter isnt the guy many fans have pumped him up to be and Lattimore may not be working out due to his injury. I feel we could have picked up a RB next draft in a draft class with viable RB's. I'm not big on the Borland pick when we have the most solid LB core in the NFL with a couple solid back ups. We still needed CB's and to plan for Crabtree/Boldin departing. Again, bringing Johnson in, to me, signals that we're not going to bring Crabtree back. If we hold onto Johnson and resign Crabtree this draft will be MUCH better but the CB issue, I feel, will still haunt us. Not big on the redshirt OT pick seeing I feel we should have moved up for better players who could have had an immediate impact for a 2015 superbowl run. Could have used that pick for another position. Thomas has already had 2 ACL tears- this was a RISKY pick. Could have also picked up a linebacker later in the draft to temporarily fill the void for Bowman but what's wrong with Fleming/Lemonier/Moody/Skuta/Wilhoite for a temporary stop gap?

Generally moving down in the draft with 11 picks to start doesnt sit well with me and the 2015 draft class will be rather weak because of all the underclassmen in this draft so picking up 2015 draft picks isn't so great in this situation.

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Originally posted by thl408:
A-

I'm considering Steve Johnson as part of this draft's haul. Even though the draft pick involved is in 2015, it took place during the time of the 2014 draft.

Love that they took 2 interior linemen that was rated high. Although BThomas won't factor this season, he's set up to compete for the open spot at LG in 15-16. This keeps the foundation of the 49ers rolling as the two tackles are locked down in Staley and ADavis. The future is bright with MMartin and BThomas.

Then add in the next bowling ball RB in Hyde and Kap is assured a good running game for the next 4 years.

The minus comes from the Borland pick, which I get was a fine value pick, but even if he's slated to fill in for Bow, it's only for the first 10 or so weeks. Then Bow should be back and Borland is a special teamer. I don't see Willis slowing down for another 2 years, so Borland may ride pine for at least that long. I see Borland as Willis' possible successor.

Maybe a deep threat WR would have been a better selection? I guess Moncrief was not high enough on their big board or the Steve Johnson acquisition relieved Baalke of needing to draft a rookie that would essentially be the 4th/5th WR this season. Perhaps a DT for when Dorsey leaves after this season? Maybe there's a fine WR class coming in the 2015 draft that Baalke will dip into.

All in all, A- is damn nice and I'm so excited that Baalke didn't forget this offense's roots. Power run game behind a dynamite Oline.

I have to agree. I'll just add that I give it an A+ simply because it addressed the WR weakness with Steven Johnson and the Ward pick addressed a big part of the defensive back issue. I think both moves were brilliant. I think there is confusion about why LMJ vs Hyde for example. When LMJ was drafted Alex was QB, when Hyde was drafted Kaep was the QB. Two different QB's need different weapons to highlight their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. LMJ would have worked better with a checkdown kind of passer whereas a big bruiser like Hyde is perfect for a long ball offense.

From a Cap perspective, the choice of O Linemen to deal with the expiring of some of our O Lines contract and RB's contract is solid. I think you don't draft anymore without an eye towards dealing with cap issues. When you draft and get free agents -- without being aware of the Cap, you get into cap hell.

From a systems perspective, we win via defense and control the clock and avoid turnovers with power running. The picks illustrate how this team is put together. Defense first, then power running backed up with excellent O Linemen. That's why I graded it an A+. I think Baalke drafted perfectly for our cap, our offensive and defensive philosophy, and for our QB.
Originally posted by Mookster:

Red shirt OT - we have 3 OTs on the roster (Davis, Staley, Boone) and Marquardt signed last year and coming back after foot injury. Iupati likely gone after this year. Use the pick to get a mauler guard who can learn the offense and eventually replace Iupati.


Brandon Thomas projects to guard in the NFL. He is exactly what you want, "a mauler guard who can learn the offense and eventually replace Iupati."
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
Don't care for the Borland pick with soo many players we could use on the board that would not only add depth but had a very good chance to become starters. CB's Gaines and Desir, Wr Moncreif, G Gabe Jackson.

Not sure why we traded back from #94 to #106 for a 6th rd pick. Now we have two 4ths and two 5ths, a 6th and two more 7ths. Are there 7 more players we need to draft. I hope they have some amazing players they spotted to add late in the draft. Otherwise we should have demanded a 2015 5th rd pick instead of the 6th rounder. It's not like we needed extra late picks this year in the draft. Don't get the strategy.

Tomorrow is where we turn those picks into 2015 pics. I dont know why people are shocked with this strategy. It is classic Baalke. Get used to it.

I have seen Baalke trade back and get future picks but I haven't seen him trade a 4th rounder for a future 3rd rounder or a 5th for a future 4th rounder.

Why trade back from the 3rd rd and get a 6th round pick? Why not at least demand a 2015 5th rd pick?

We will see Saturday. With 6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds I would have liked to see at least 1 WR drafted.
Originally posted by sf_nicoya:
you can tell who bases their evaluations on youtube highlights and NFL.com scouting reports. borland is going to be a star on this team.

Kind of hard to be a star when you are the backup MLB with no chance of ever supplanting either one.
Originally posted by CasBanaszek:
Ward: A
Hyde: B-
Martin: A
Borland: F
Thomas: C

why? we passed on Latimore and Gaines to get some of those guys.

You never saw Boreland play and don't know anything about him.