Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
To Buck and Phx
I guess I was just expecting us to go harder on CB and WR earlier. Not sure where we are playing Ward. I don't necessarily think we need more players with talent(no room really) but as said true "impact" players. We had the picks to move around, and I expected us to do so earlier. And yeah there's really no way to know at this juncture who will flop and who won't but how many of these guys will even make the roster? That's where I'm getting at.
49ers already said Ward will be competing for the nickel corner position and will have every opportunity to win it. I think its becoming clear that you won't see the 49ers drafting a lot of CB's early. Baalke has shown a great eye for late round gems. Look at Seattle, how many early CB's do they draft? If you've got a consistent system, then you don't necessarily need to draft guys early at certain positions. For the 49ers, the emphasis will be on their safeties and not so much CB's.
As far as WR goes, where would that WR play? Once Johnson was added, you had basically one roster spot open for a receiver. Whether they take a guy in the 2nd, the 3rd, the 4th or the 5th, they are still riding the bench pretty much. Who is more likely to see the field, a 2nd round WR or a guy like Carlos Hyde?
You have Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson and Patton. I don't see where a rookie who doesn't know the system just jumps in. Ellington was a good pick because he is highly talented but also raw and needs time to develop which he'll get. With him and Patton, the 49ers have the basis for their future WR corps.
And about Gore, I'm thinking these moves make it his last year as a featured back. But he still is going to get the majority of the carries this year. We had Lattimore and Hunter to take the some load off. Now I'm wondering where does Hunter or Lattimore fit? We have great depth but not enough playing time or carries to go around.
If Gore stumbles out of the gate badly, averages 2 yards per carry and is generally ineffective, then what would you think? That is the risk with older RB's, the regression comes on quickly and suddenly. I suspect personally that he was starting to really wear down at the end of last season. The 49ers played some tough defenses but he also seemed to be pressing a lot and didn't seem like the same guy. If nothing else, adding Lattimore and Hyde will extend his career, at least through the end of the season. At his age, very few RB's are still even somewhat productive. All those hits and carries take their toll and I guess the way the 49ers look at it are "better safe than sorry." Better to go into the season with apparently more depth than you need than panicking and realizing you have no running game when Gore falls off a cliff and Lattimore isn't ready to contribute.
Same for Ellington. Is he going to even make the roster? Yeah I know, he will, but he's stuck behind Boldin, Crabtree, Johnson, Patton, and maybe even Lloyd. Where are his touches?
Absolutely Ellington makes the roster IMO. He won't be stuck behind an aging Lloyd. I think Lloyd and Baldwin are both basically goners. Ellington is a very talented guy who will be given every opportunity to play. He can also contribute as a returner. As far as I'm concerned, the receiver depth chart stacks up as the following.....Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, Patton, Ellington, Osgood.
Again, not a whole lot of improvement, as being more championship ready than we were last year. I just dont feel we "upped" our chances, but stayed neutral. Later on down the road these picks will pay off, but as far as winning now, we are the same 49ers of last year.
Faster and younger at the slot, far deeper at WR, deeper pretty much everywhere else, faster in the secondary, beefed up on the OL, deeper at RB, not sure how you can say that this team hasn't improved. I think you were looking for some impact franchise guy but the reality is, there aren't any open spots on this team other than the slot position which they took care of. There was no miracle rookie that was going to come in and start at CB, WR, DE...etc.
When you have a team that has been to 3 straight NFC Championship games and was inches away from a Superbowl last season, there's only so much more you can improve. The 49ers are already at the top, a few bounces go differently and they are holding the Lombardi trophy. All Baalke can do is try to patch weaknesses and build the depth to replace guys who will walk in free agency next season and the season after. Looking at what teams were paying to move up, doing so was prohibitively expensive so I'm glad Baalke stood pat and let the draft come to him rather than giving up a bunch of picks for a guy who may or may not be a star player but still wouldn't be a starter as a rookie. There were no CB's worth trading up for honestly. Neither Gilbert nor Fuller is a true #1 guy that you give up a bunch of picks for IMO. Very nice #2 guys but not distinctly better than what the 49ers have in Brock and Culliver.
About the Johnson trade. Great trade but I still think we need to change up our offense to get more than one or two receivers involved. Not sure if it's Kaep or Roman but if we play the same style of offense I'm just not sure how much he will see the ball. Especially with Crabtree out there.
I would assume that the logical basis of such a trade is that the 49ers wanted more depth at WR and that they will be running a lot more 3 WR sets. They finally have depth from top to bottom, quality receivers throughout and I think you'll see a lot more 3 WR and even 4 WR sets. Harbaugh and Roman can only work with the personnel that they have, when Brett Swain or Kyle Williams is your #2 WR, you're not going to be running a whole lot of 3 WR sets, now the 49ers are in a whole different world comparatively when it comes to their WR situation.
Admittedly I could be 100% wrong, and a lot, if not most, of this is opinion based. I just don't see it right now. I understand it, but not sure BPA is always the way to go.
I personally think our best pick was Borland because he's a definite need.
Edit: And I've been working the last two nights so admittedly I haven't had time to put the whole thing into perspective. Kind of my initial thoughts, and how I thought we would be more "aggressive" as one thread starter addressed.
If you look around the internet, people are giving the 49ers massive kudo's for their draft, NFL Network gave them an A, SI gave them an A for the 1st and 2nd rounds(that's as much as I know of), Baalke is generally getting a ton of praises. They improved the team for the present and added a ton of depth and talent for the future too(Thomas, Reaser and Millard will all be coming around in 2015), meaning they will compete for a Superbowl and will continue to compete for a Superbowl.
You're obviously entitled to your opinion but please keep an open mind, I think some of these players may surprise you. I see this draft as having come together beautifully and taking the 49ers back to the essence of who they are while expanding their talent all across the board pretty much. One thing's for sure, the preseason is going to be highly intriguing with all the competition going on all across the team.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on May 10, 2014 at 11:46 PM ]