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Chris Borland?

Originally posted by Scoots:
Bill Polian said a max of 3 games for Aldon.

If you can run a 4.3 AND diagnose the play in 1/1000 of a second you will get a tackle for a loss, if you run a 4.8 and diagnose the play in 1/1000 of a second you get a tackle for a short gain. It's not that speed is irrelevant, it's just that it's not the most relevant element of playing the position. I was a slow ILB who loved contact, but I also know that even when I did everything right there were some plays I couldn't make by just a tiny bit ... had I been 2 inches taller or with 4 inch longer arms or just a tiny bit faster I would have made that play. The 49ers have 2 ILBs who diagnose the play VERY quickly and who have good size and speed ... the standard is VERY VERY VERY high for ILB play here and Borland is smaller, shorter armed, and slower than is optimal. Anybody denying it matters at all have not played the game.

He did win defensive player of the year in the Big 10, 3rd rd pick seemed about right for him. His floor is a very good backup and special teamer and his ceiling is a Zach Thomas type of player.
I never said Borland wouldn't be a good player, just that the reason people are expressing concern is that he doesn't fit in the optimal Height/Speed windows and that does hamper his best possible performance. To repeat, I didn't say he would be bad, but I did say he can't be as good as someone taller/faster/longer armed can be. Borland's ceiling is lower to start with.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He did win defensive player of the year in the Big 10, 3rd rd pick seemed about right for him. His floor is a very good backup and special teamer and his ceiling is a Zach Thomas type of player.

And the defensive player of the year in the SEC (a better conference than the Big 10) got a favor to be drafted in the 7th round. Why did he drop so far? Not because of his stated preferences, but because he is slow, small, and not explosive enough.

College awards often have little to nothing to do with pro performance. Who is the last Heisman winner (the best overall player in ALL the conferences together) to be a great pro?

Again, not a bad player, could be very good for the 49ers ... but his size limits him.
I posted the T-rex Trying all in fun. I read that book and am in tears within a few pages.



As for Borland many a Packer fan was pissed we got him. Rumor is the Packers had their eye on Borland and Abbrederis and in that order.

I am, as with any draft pick, in a wait and see mode. I don't place undue expectations on any rookie, nor do I downplay their abilities or potential. I prefer to wait and see what they do before forming an opinion.
lol at all the T-Rex stuff
Okay I've read this whole convoluted thread. The points boil down to this:

His strength is instinct small space quickness, causes fumbles, and hits with determination.
His weakness is he is short and short armed while also lacking speed of our starters.

Arguments for pick: Highly touted inside run stuffer, can be used in ST and Goal line situations right now plus insurance if one of the two big guys go down with injury.

Arguments against the pick: Not starting on our team ever picked too highly, unlikely to be useful in any area outside of 3 and 2 or less downs.

My point of view is this: None of our draft picks were drafted to replace a starter and none of them will. We have the most talented team in the league imo. So we drafted for depth at every position and hope some of these guys can maybe make game day squad. Borland is not ever going to replace willis or bowman but he is quality player that can actually play blitz and play either interior lb in a pinch day 1. While yes we could of got your favorite player on the board here instead, we are playing with house money and draft the for development. ILB is one of our thinnest spots and guess what we got skov too.
[ Edited by Need4Speed on Jul 14, 2014 at 8:56 PM ]
Originally posted by Scoots:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He did win defensive player of the year in the Big 10, 3rd rd pick seemed about right for him. His floor is a very good backup and special teamer and his ceiling is a Zach Thomas type of player.

And the defensive player of the year in the SEC (a better conference than the Big 10) got a favor to be drafted in the 7th round. Why did he drop so far? Not because of his stated preferences, but because he is slow, small, and not explosive enough.

College awards often have little to nothing to do with pro performance. Who is the last Heisman winner (the best overall player in ALL the conferences together) to be a great pro?

Again, not a bad player, could be very good for the 49ers ... but his size limits him.

I feel ya with the Micheal Sam comparison, Borland was the 2nd ranked ILB according to CBS Sports and Sam was 15th. Broland tied the FBS record with the most career forced fumbles. I hope he makes some plays this year either as a ILB or special teams, all SF did was draft a good football player.

as far as Heisman winners RGIII, Newton, Palmer, George, Woodson, Sanders, Brown, Allen etc all are having or had pretty good careers