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Report: 49ers could eye Ravens' pick at No. 17

I've heard this draft as being "flat" meaning it's not top heavy and has depth. Doesn't this mean that the 3rd/4th round picks are worth more this year? Since there is still talent available in the middle rounds. So the 49ers could move up from #30 to #17 using a 3rd round pick, because the 3rd round pick is worth more this season.
Originally posted by thl408:
I've heard this draft as being "flat" meaning it's not top heavy and has depth. Doesn't this mean that the 3rd/4th round picks are worth more this year? Since there is still talent available in the middle rounds. So the 49ers could move up from #30 to #17 using a 3rd round pick, because the 3rd round pick is worth more this season.

I think it is more a supply and demand... More teams want pick 17, the more the price goes up...
well it looks like we're not getting beckham. I remember the same interests we had for silotolu a couple of years ago, except this time we trade up.


But he would be a huge boost for our receiving core.
This news of us being interested in Beckham tells me we ARENT going after Beckham. Its a smoke screen.
Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
This news of us being interested in Beckham tells me we ARENT going after Beckham. Its a smoke screen.

you may be right, but eric branch is the one reporting it and he was the first one i saw last year close to draft day saying 49ers were going after eric reid.
Originally posted by HarboutTHAT:
Originally posted by thl408:
I've heard this draft as being "flat" meaning it's not top heavy and has depth. Doesn't this mean that the 3rd/4th round picks are worth more this year? Since there is still talent available in the middle rounds. So the 49ers could move up from #30 to #17 using a 3rd round pick, because the 3rd round pick is worth more this season.

I think it is more a supply and demand... More teams want pick 17, the more the price goes up...

That makes sense. I know of the draft value chart that Jimmy Johnson created and I think that chart must change from year to year depending on the overall feel of the prospects coming out. If there is a considerable drop off in talent in the top 50 prospects to the prospects slotted at 51-100, then those top 50 picks have higher value than 'normal' years.

This year's draft, from reading this forum, seems like there is no considerable dropoff in talent when looking at 1-100, the decline is gradual with no sharp dropoff. This leads me to believe that those 2nd and 3rd round picks are worth more than previous years. If that's the case, the 49ers have nice ammo with five picks in the #56-#100 range. I have no doubt Baalke will trade up to nab the guy he wants, provided that player falls to a reasonably attainable draft slot.
I don't want Cooks in the 1st round. Name the last small (5'10" or under) WR taken in the 1st round that earned that pick in their career?

Percy Harvin? Yeah, he's been a great help to the Seahawks for the last 2 years ... he's played in all 16 games once in his career thus far.
Santonio Holmes? Played in all 16 once in his career.
Santana Moss ... actually played in all 16 5 times in his career and was a good player ... I never felt that he was a particularly great player, but he's the most recent "small" WR who has lived up to his draft pick.

How good a player doesn't matter if you can't suit up on sunday, and the smaller guys get hurt more often. Not always, but more often than not.

Steve Smith was taken in the 3rd round because of his height ... and he's way outplayed his draft position, but that's not the way to bet, and as good as he's been he's only played in 87.5% of his team's games.

The list of "great" WRs includes one guy less than 6' tall and that's Steve Largent and he was taken in the 4th round.

Jerry Rice is a freak and managed to play in 95% of his team's games over his career with all but one missed game being in the year Sapp tore up his knee with an illegal play. Calvin Johnson is at 94.6%. Larry Fitzgerald 97.5%. Great WRs are on the field ... small WRs tend to spend more time off the field.

Another data point from long ago in Baalke's scouting blog he said he didn't see the logic in ever drafting a small WR early. I was confused by Jenkins and he was bigger than Cooks ... I don't think Baalke's going to do it again.
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Originally posted by Quest4six:
Throw them James and our first round pick.
James would do well in that offense,

If we are moving up that high, I would like to think we are going after any of these guys

1. Brandin Cooks
2. Anthony Barr (might be wishful thinking)
3. Darqueze Dennard

I like the idea of trading James for additional draft picks and to a team in the AFC. If we can get that 17th pick on top of that, wow!!
ravens eyeing getting boldin back lol
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I think Baalke is trying to jump the cluster of cb and wr needy teams in the 20's. We will get our pick of the litter and I hope its someone amazing. IMO Beckham and Verrett fit our needs best, if we want a guarantee at either of them we have to move to the high teens.
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Originally posted by Scoots:
I don't want Cooks in the 1st round. Name the last small (5'10" or under) WR taken in the 1st round that earned that pick in their career?

Percy Harvin? Yeah, he's been a great help to the Seahawks for the last 2 years ... he's played in all 16 games once in his career thus far.
Santonio Holmes? Played in all 16 once in his career.
Santana Moss ... actually played in all 16 5 times in his career and was a good player ... I never felt that he was a particularly great player, but he's the most recent "small" WR who has lived up to his draft pick.

How good a player doesn't matter if you can't suit up on sunday, and the smaller guys get hurt more often. Not always, but more often than not.

Steve Smith was taken in the 3rd round because of his height ... and he's way outplayed his draft position, but that's not the way to bet, and as good as he's been he's only played in 87.5% of his team's games.

The list of "great" WRs includes one guy less than 6' tall and that's Steve Largent and he was taken in the 4th round.

Jerry Rice is a freak and managed to play in 95% of his team's games over his career with all but one missed game being in the year Sapp tore up his knee with an illegal play. Calvin Johnson is at 94.6%. Larry Fitzgerald 97.5%. Great WRs are on the field ... small WRs tend to spend more time off the field.

Another data point from long ago in Baalke's scouting blog he said he didn't see the logic in ever drafting a small WR early. I was confused by Jenkins and he was bigger than Cooks ... I don't think Baalke's going to do it again.

If the 49ers think like you, then maybe a mike evans or another big and reasonably fast WR is their target. All we need is some legit vertical threats. 4.40 to 5.0 in the forty, in my opinion, would be fast enough from a vertical threat standpoint to make some room for the middle TE routs. Faster is better, of course.
I don't see the point of jumping up from 30 to take Beckham. I'd rather trade up from our 2nd rounders.
Seems like all the reports lately are about the 49ers drafting a WR in the 1st round. While I agree we definetely need a WR this year and maybe even more next year if Crabs walks, I still want a CB first. Our current group of Brock, Culliver, Wright, Cox, Cook, Morris isn't a championship DB. We need 2 good CBs this year IMO. I want our first pick to be a top CB who can start, would love to trade up for Gilbert but if we can't we need to get someone capable of contributing right away, not sure we can get that in the 2nd round.
Originally posted by Scoots:
I don't want Cooks in the 1st round. Name the last small (5'10" or under) WR taken in the 1st round that earned that pick in their career?

Percy Harvin? Yeah, he's been a great help to the Seahawks for the last 2 years ... he's played in all 16 games once in his career thus far.
Santonio Holmes? Played in all 16 once in his career.
Santana Moss ... actually played in all 16 5 times in his career and was a good player ... I never felt that he was a particularly great player, but he's the most recent "small" WR who has lived up to his draft pick.

How good a player doesn't matter if you can't suit up on sunday, and the smaller guys get hurt more often. Not always, but more often than not.

Steve Smith was taken in the 3rd round because of his height ... and he's way outplayed his draft position, but that's not the way to bet, and as good as he's been he's only played in 87.5% of his team's games.

The list of "great" WRs includes one guy less than 6' tall and that's Steve Largent and he was taken in the 4th round.

Jerry Rice is a freak and managed to play in 95% of his team's games over his career with all but one missed game being in the year Sapp tore up his knee with an illegal play. Calvin Johnson is at 94.6%. Larry Fitzgerald 97.5%. Great WRs are on the field ... small WRs tend to spend more time off the field.

Another data point from long ago in Baalke's scouting blog he said he didn't see the logic in ever drafting a small WR early. I was confused by Jenkins and he was bigger than Cooks ... I don't think Baalke's going to do it again.

Sorry, but I don't agree with this post at all.
If the only knock you have on Cooks is his height, then you don't have any argument at all.
Cooks is durable, didn't have a history of injury problems in his time at OSU while playing as the starting WR.
However both Harvin and Moss did have injuries in college that carried over to the NFL.

I don't know where you are pulling these stats from. Not to mention you switch your argument from height to injuries and it gets somewhat confusing.

Also, comparing Cooks to future HOF Calvin and Fitz is way off base. Not to mention Rice?

I think you need to realize that we are not drafting Cooks to start. Yes, he probably will start in our 3 WR set formations, probably on 3rd and long, and whenever Boldin needs a break... But he isn't going to be in that much. Cooks is a guy we can have come in and expand our vertical threat, not take hits every down like Crabtree (how has his durability been btw?) or Boldin.

Look at what guys like Cobb, Hilton, and Austin have done for their offense... Thats what we need Cooks to do; the required skill set at the slot position luckily doesn't depend on height.
[ Edited by Quest4six on Apr 30, 2014 at 1:27 PM ]