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Any mock draft with my main man S.Tuitt in it is grade A+++ for me
Needs a couple more defensive linemen. Maybe five more. Okay, seven more.
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Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Yeah that's why I went with Aikens. 6'1 with 4.3 speed.

A lot of people like Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Pierre Desir. How would you compare/evaluate the three?

Kyle Fuller or Verrett, why?

From what I know, Aikens is more of a raw prospect with more upside. Also, Jean Baptiste would be a pretty old rookie at 24, I don't think he has the greatest long speed and believe a lot of the passes he gives up are deep balls ( I don't like that), he's going to likely go higher than Aikens, and I feel like we already have our Richard Sherman like project in Chris Cook. Really though I wouldn't be mad with any of those guys. I'm confident in our team when it comes to drafting the right guys on defense.

As for Fuller and Verrett. I think Verrett is better in coverage, but Fuller has the size and length you look for in a top corner when matching up against the Calvin Johnsons, Julio Jones, Demaryius Thomas's, etc. I think because the NFL is a copycat league, Fuller will end up being drafted before Verrett. I'd love to have Fuller or Verrett, but think it's more likely that Verrett drops to 39 than Fuller.

Yup, they'll get it right. As for Cook, I really hope that does pan out the way they planned....
I like the mock, but don't love it. In a draft full of talented recievers, most in a century, I'd be pissed if we only got Ellington. Boldin is old, Crab could be gone next year, it would be foolish to not prepare for that with a draft full like this. DE is not a need to me, we got Tank, and Ian Williams coming in which means Dorsey can also play DE. TJE also looked good last year. With that said, it would be really hard to pass on Tuitt cause I love him too. And I agree with you on Bucannon, he'd be perfect to replace Bethea.
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Any mock draft with my main man S.Tuitt in it is grade A+++ for me

Lol you and me both brother. Same draft crush.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I like the mock, but don't love it. In a draft full of talented recievers, most in a century, I'd be pissed if we only got Ellington. Boldin is old, Crab could be gone next year, it would be foolish to not prepare for that with a draft full like this. DE is not a need to me, we got Tank, and Ian Williams coming in which means Dorsey can also play DE. TJE also looked good last year. With that said, it would be really hard to pass on Tuitt cause I love him too. And I agree with you on Bucannon, he'd be perfect to replace Bethea.
Yes you make some very good points for us drafting more than one receiver. In all my other mocks I had us going with two wideouts. I think I may edit this one and swap in another receiver.

As for DE not being a need, I think you're partially wrong there. It may not be an absolute need right at the moment, but it may in the next couple years and depth at DE is a need right now imo. First of all, you can never have too much depth at defensive line and a fresh pass rush is very beneficial for your teams success. Look at Seattles formula. Also, Carradine will eventually replace Justin, but who will end up replacing Mcdonald? I know we have some time to replace Mcdonald, but he did deal with an injury last year. Add to that that Tuitt is a straight beast and in my opinion would be the best player available at the slot were picking. Our draft philosophy is going best player on the board, with need factoring into that. We have a tendency to draft for future needs and we would have our defensive ends set for years to come with the selection of Tuitt. Dorsey is very solid and can play both end and nose tackle. I don't see anything special about TJE. He is serviceable at best. Ian Williams is still a question mark, although he reportedly looked good all throughout camp last year.
[ Edited by pwillis52beasty on Apr 29, 2014 at 7:03 AM ]
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Any mock draft with my main man S.Tuitt in it is grade A+++ for me

Lol you and me both brother. Same draft crush.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I like the mock, but don't love it. In a draft full of talented recievers, most in a century, I'd be pissed if we only got Ellington. Boldin is old, Crab could be gone next year, it would be foolish to not prepare for that with a draft full like this. DE is not a need to me, we got Tank, and Ian Williams coming in which means Dorsey can also play DE. TJE also looked good last year. With that said, it would be really hard to pass on Tuitt cause I love him too. And I agree with you on Bucannon, he'd be perfect to replace Bethea.
Yes you make some very good points for us drafting more than one receiver. In all my other mocks I had us going with two wideouts. I think I may edit this one and swap in another receiver.

As for DE not being a need, I think you're partially wrong there. It may not be an absolute need right at the moment, but it may in the next couple years and depth at DE is a need right now imo. First of all, you can never have too much depth at defensive line and a fresh pass rush is very beneficial for your teams success. Look at Seattles formula. Also, Carradine will eventually replace Justin, but who will end up replacing Mcdonald? I know we have some time to replace Mcdonald, but he did deal with an injury last year. Add to that that Tuitt is a straight beast and in my opinion would be the best player available at the slot were picking. Our draft philosophy is going best player on the board, with need factoring into that. We have a tendency to draft for future needs and we would have our defensive ends set for years to come with the selection of Tuitt. Dorsey is very solid and can play both end and nose tackle. I don't see anything special about TJE. He is serviceable at best. Ian Williams is still a question mark, although he reportedly looked good all throughout camp last year.

You make some good points on DE, PWillis, but personally isn't an OLB pass rusher a bigger future need at this moment with Brooks getting older and the Aldon situation up in the air? I would just like to hear your thoughts on whether you rank our need for a 3-4 DE higher than OLB.
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Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Two trades. I hope Harbaalke work the draft something like this on Draft Day. This is a very deep draft with a hell of a lot of talent in rounds 2-4. I don't see anyone worth trading up for in the first round and feel like we should wait on our guy or even trade back a few spots into the second round and still come away with 'our guy'. Remember we go BPA first and needs factor into that. We don't draft based off of need first. Note- I just stayed with the same position for alternative picks if the guys I have us picking aren't there.



1st Trade- Jaguars trade back into the first round to snag a quarterback. Jags give 49ers picks #39(2nd) and # 105 (4th) for pick #30 (1st).

2nd Trade- 49ers trade picks #56 (2nd) and # 105 (4th) to Vikings for pick #40 (2nd). Come away with back to back picks in the second round.



2. 39- Jason Verrett CB TCU 5'9 189 4.38 40 yard dash- Arguably the best cover corner in the draft. Also very athletic. We are lucky and he drops a bit because of his size. Something tells me, that a lot of NFL teams are more infatuated with the bigger corners now after seeing what Seattle has done. This may cause Verrett to drop a bit. Very tough competitive player. Believe he can play on the outside or the nickel. Alternative picks- Bradley Roby, Kyle Fuller, Darqueze Dennard




2. 40- Stephon Tuitt DE Notre Dame 6'6 305 4.8 40 est. 40 yard dash- This is my draft crush. The guy is a monster. Special size and athleticism. See him as the closest thing to having JJ Watt like potential. Pass rush ability with 21.5 career sacks at Notre Dame. Tremendous strength with 31 reps on the bench while having nearly 35" arms . Justin Smith and Ray Mcdonald will have their replacements waiting in the wings with Carradine and Tuitt. Those two would make a nasty duo for years to come. Can you say nasty mother f**king pass rush? I've taken him in every single mock I've done so far this offseason and I might take him in my 2015 mocks. Hell Young2Rice was trying to see if we could get Giovanni Bernard in this draft We better draft this mother f**ker. Alternative Picks- Rashede Hageman, Dominique Easley


2. 61 Deone Bucannon S Washington State. 6'1 211 4.49 40 yard dash- I was going to go with the pass rusher Marcus Smith here, but I had a change of heart. I know everyone feels that another pass rusher early is a higher priority now, but I think we forget that Skuta was solid and we just took Lemonier relatively high last year. Also, I don't think the Aldon situation is as serious as what was first thought and believe ultimately he will be a 49er for years to come. Being optimistic of course and hopeful the dude pulls his head out of his ass. Anyways, Bucannon is a beast with great size and athletic ability. Playmaker with six picks last year with good coverage skills. Very similar measurables to Reid and Baalke has talked about how he wants interchangeable safeties. Well here you go. Eventually takes over for Bethea and we have an awesome safety tandem for years to come. Alternative picks- Jimmie Ward, Terrance Brooks




3. 77 Bruce Ellington WR South Carolina 5'9 197 4.45 40 yard dash- We all know about Ellington. This guy is fast and quick and versatile. Exactly what we are looking for in our third receiver. Can stretch the field and work the slot. Also can be our return guy. Could very well be gone a this point so here are some Alternative picks- Robert Herron, Dri Archer




3. 94 Jackson Jeffcoat DE Texas 6'3 247 4.63 40 yard dash- Fine I'll get a pass rusher since we don't know if we can trust Aldon. Had 13 sacks this past year. Father player for the Cowgirls. Was going to go center here, but I think we have confidence in Kilgore and hell if Goodwin could do ok there, Kilgore should be able to hold it down. Alternative picks- Will Clarke, Trent Murphy

3. 100 Walt Aikens CB Liberty 6'1 205 4.38 40 yard dash (at pro day)- Really like this kid. Highly talented. Big and athletic. Another raw third round corner worked out pretty well for us recently in Culliver. Well on the field at least. Alternative picks- Jaylen Watkins, Pierre Desire


4. 129 Lamin Barrow ILB LSU 6'1 237 4.64 40 yard dash- Fill in for Bowman


5. 170 David Fales QB San Jose State 6'2 212 4.99 40 yard dash- Hey Harbaugh said he's a top 5 QB right. Compete with Gabbert for #2 spot.



7. 242 Brandon Thomas OG Clemson 6'3 317 5.09 40 yard dash- Redshirt. Replacement for Iupati





7. 243 Trey Millard FB Oklahoma 6'2 247 - H Back type role.



7. 245 Jerrick Mckinnon RB Georgia Southern 5'9 209 4.41 40 yard dash- Crazy athletic ability. Try and develop him somewhere



We come away with a beasty ass replacement for Justin Smith,a new revamped talented secondary, a stud receiver/return man, a fill in for Bowman, some pass rushing depth,, a possible replacement for Iupati if he leaves through free agency. We could still use a big receiver that can stretch the field though.
they have 100 picks and should be moving up not back
they ain't signing 11 new guys

Stay at the 1st Rnd spot - take the best available CB
trade away some of those late round picks maybe move around nab a WR

would rather see 4-5 solid guys taking in the first 4 rounds who are gonna come in a ball

lol don't need three 7th round dudes who are gonna be bagging groceries in a few months
Originally posted by Wisconsin49erfan:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Any mock draft with my main man S.Tuitt in it is grade A+++ for me

Lol you and me both brother. Same draft crush.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I like the mock, but don't love it. In a draft full of talented recievers, most in a century, I'd be pissed if we only got Ellington. Boldin is old, Crab could be gone next year, it would be foolish to not prepare for that with a draft full like this. DE is not a need to me, we got Tank, and Ian Williams coming in which means Dorsey can also play DE. TJE also looked good last year. With that said, it would be really hard to pass on Tuitt cause I love him too. And I agree with you on Bucannon, he'd be perfect to replace Bethea.
Yes you make some very good points for us drafting more than one receiver. In all my other mocks I had us going with two wideouts. I think I may edit this one and swap in another receiver.

As for DE not being a need, I think you're partially wrong there. It may not be an absolute need right at the moment, but it may in the next couple years and depth at DE is a need right now imo. First of all, you can never have too much depth at defensive line and a fresh pass rush is very beneficial for your teams success. Look at Seattles formula. Also, Carradine will eventually replace Justin, but who will end up replacing Mcdonald? I know we have some time to replace Mcdonald, but he did deal with an injury last year. Add to that that Tuitt is a straight beast and in my opinion would be the best player available at the slot were picking. Our draft philosophy is going best player on the board, with need factoring into that. We have a tendency to draft for future needs and we would have our defensive ends set for years to come with the selection of Tuitt. Dorsey is very solid and can play both end and nose tackle. I don't see anything special about TJE. He is serviceable at best. Ian Williams is still a question mark, although he reportedly looked good all throughout camp last year.

You make some good points on DE, PWillis, but personally isn't an OLB pass rusher a bigger future need at this moment with Brooks getting older and the Aldon situation up in the air? I would just like to hear your thoughts on whether you rank our need for a 3-4 DE higher than OLB.

The way I see it, DE and OLB are nearly identical in terms of need, but I'd say DE is more of a need in the long term. Brooks and Mcdonald will both be 30 years old when the season starts. So that's a wash. Justin Smith's age is a more pressing concern than Aldon's situation in my opinion. We know for sure that Justin only has a couple years left at best. Aldon is up in the air, but I think ultimately there's a solid chance he remains a 49er for a much longer time because I don't see us giving up on a talent like him. So we would have two OLBs under 25, one who is arguably the best pass rusher in the game and the other being Lemonier who is starting material. With DE, the only young talent we have is Carradine.

Also, I think Tuitt has a lot more potential at DE than guys like Marcus Smith, Demarcus Lawrence, Attaochu have at OLB. I think Tuitt has the ability to be special and a force, I'm not as confident in those OLBs in being game changers.
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Two trades. I hope Harbaalke work the draft something like this on Draft Day. This is a very deep draft with a hell of a lot of talent in rounds 2-4. I don't see anyone worth trading up for in the first round and feel like we should wait on our guy or even trade back a few spots into the second round and still come away with 'our guy'. Remember we go BPA first and needs factor into that. We don't draft based off of need first. Note- I just stayed with the same position for alternative picks if the guys I have us picking aren't there.



1st Trade- Jaguars trade back into the first round to snag a quarterback. Jags give 49ers picks #39(2nd) and # 105 (4th) for pick #30 (1st).

2nd Trade- 49ers trade picks #56 (2nd) and # 105 (4th) to Vikings for pick #40 (2nd). Come away with back to back picks in the second round.



2. 39- Jason Verrett CB TCU 5'9 189 4.38 40 yard dash- Arguably the best cover corner in the draft. Also very athletic. We are lucky and he drops a bit because of his size. Something tells me, that a lot of NFL teams are more infatuated with the bigger corners now after seeing what Seattle has done. This may cause Verrett to drop a bit. Very tough competitive player. Believe he can play on the outside or the nickel. Alternative picks- Bradley Roby, Kyle Fuller, Darqueze Dennard




2. 40- Stephon Tuitt DE Notre Dame 6'6 305 4.8 40 est. 40 yard dash- This is my draft crush. The guy is a monster. Special size and athleticism. See him as the closest thing to having JJ Watt like potential. Pass rush ability with 21.5 career sacks at Notre Dame. Tremendous strength with 31 reps on the bench while having nearly 35" arms . Justin Smith and Ray Mcdonald will have their replacements waiting in the wings with Carradine and Tuitt. Those two would make a nasty duo for years to come. Can you say nasty mother f**king pass rush? I've taken him in every single mock I've done so far this offseason and I might take him in my 2015 mocks. Hell Young2Rice was trying to see if we could get Giovanni Bernard in this draft We better draft this mother f**ker. Alternative Picks- Rashede Hageman, Dominique Easley


2. 61 Deone Bucannon S Washington State. 6'1 211 4.49 40 yard dash- I was going to go with the pass rusher Marcus Smith here, but I had a change of heart. I know everyone feels that another pass rusher early is a higher priority now, but I think we forget that Skuta was solid and we just took Lemonier relatively high last year. Also, I don't think the Aldon situation is as serious as what was first thought and believe ultimately he will be a 49er for years to come. Being optimistic of course and hopeful the dude pulls his head out of his ass. Anyways, Bucannon is a beast with great size and athletic ability. Playmaker with six picks last year with good coverage skills. Very similar measurables to Reid and Baalke has talked about how he wants interchangeable safeties. Well here you go. Eventually takes over for Bethea and we have an awesome safety tandem for years to come. Alternative picks- Jimmie Ward, Terrance Brooks




3. 77 Bruce Ellington WR South Carolina 5'9 197 4.45 40 yard dash- We all know about Ellington. This guy is fast and quick and versatile. Exactly what we are looking for in our third receiver. Can stretch the field and work the slot. Also can be our return guy. Could very well be gone a this point so here are some Alternative picks- Robert Herron, Dri Archer




3. 94 Jackson Jeffcoat DE Texas 6'3 247 4.63 40 yard dash- Fine I'll get a pass rusher since we don't know if we can trust Aldon. Had 13 sacks this past year. Father player for the Cowgirls. Was going to go center here, but I think we have confidence in Kilgore and hell if Goodwin could do ok there, Kilgore should be able to hold it down. Alternative picks- Will Clarke, Trent Murphy

3. 100 Walt Aikens CB Liberty 6'1 205 4.38 40 yard dash (at pro day)- Really like this kid. Highly talented. Big and athletic. Another raw third round corner worked out pretty well for us recently in Culliver. Well on the field at least. Alternative picks- Jaylen Watkins, Pierre Desire


4. 129 Lamin Barrow ILB LSU 6'1 237 4.64 40 yard dash- Fill in for Bowman


5. 170 David Fales QB San Jose State 6'2 212 4.99 40 yard dash- Hey Harbaugh said he's a top 5 QB right. Compete with Gabbert for #2 spot.



7. 242 Brandon Thomas OG Clemson 6'3 317 5.09 40 yard dash- Redshirt. Replacement for Iupati





7. 243 Trey Millard FB Oklahoma 6'2 247 - H Back type role.



7. 245 Jerrick Mckinnon RB Georgia Southern 5'9 209 4.41 40 yard dash- Crazy athletic ability. Try and develop him somewhere



We come away with a beasty ass replacement for Justin Smith,a new revamped talented secondary, a stud receiver/return man, a fill in for Bowman, some pass rushing depth,, a possible replacement for Iupati if he leaves through free agency. We could still use a big receiver that can stretch the field though.
they have 100 picks and should be moving up not back
they ain't signing 11 new guys

Stay at the 1st Rnd spot - take the best available CB
trade away some of those late round picks maybe move around nab a WR

would rather see 4-5 solid guys taking in the first 4 rounds who are gonna come in a ball

lol don't need three 7th round dudes who are gonna be bagging groceries in a few months

IR/practice squaders bro. And you're not trading 7th round picks for much. Good luck with that. I wouldn't trade up in the first. I would either stay put or trade back with the first pick. I do agree we could trade some more in the middle rounds, which I might do in my edit of this mock.
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Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
IR/practice squaders bro. And you're not trading 7th round picks for much. Good luck with that. I wouldn't trade up in the first. I would either stay put or trade back with the first pick. I do agree we could trade some more in the middle rounds, which I might do in my edit of this mock.

give all them s**ts to NE bill loves picking 7th rounders
Would be extremely disapointed if the only WR we walked away with was bruce ellington...
[ Edited by sf_nicoya on Apr 29, 2014 at 8:08 AM ]
So one of the deepest drafts at WR in 20 years and we take ONE WR??
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
IR/practice squaders bro. And you're not trading 7th round picks for much. Good luck with that. I wouldn't trade up in the first. I would either stay put or trade back with the first pick. I do agree we could trade some more in the middle rounds, which I might do in my edit of this mock.

give all them s**ts to NE bill loves picking 7th rounders

Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
IR/practice squaders bro. And you're not trading 7th round picks for much. Good luck with that. I wouldn't trade up in the first. I would either stay put or trade back with the first pick. I do agree we could trade some more in the middle rounds, which I might do in my edit of this mock.

Lol I guess you could do that.

give all them s**ts to NE bill loves picking 7th rounders

Originally posted by sf_nicoya:
Would be extremely disapointed if the only WR we walked away with was bruce ellington...

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So one of the deepest drafts at WR in 20 years and we take ONE WR??

Yeah I'm having a change of heart. Im going to edit it and add another wr
Originally posted by dlance:
Trade back is a good idea I just do not like drafting Deone Bucannon or Bruce Ellington where you have them. I don't think they will draft Trey Millard because they already have a FB and I don't think they will carry 2 FB.

Ellington is pretty much in the right area honestly. I see him as a mid 3rd rounder at worst now. He's being very underrated by a lot of people but has the skills, the work ethic and the leadership you look for in a guy. With him finally being dedicated to football full-time, there's a lot of potential there for him to be an outstanding slot receiver.
I like the first 3 picks, make sense, but the LACK of a WR that low and im not high on that So Carolina WR. c+