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Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana... all hype? or overlooked awesomeness?

FWIW, I didn't make a prognosis on Morton's ability to develop WRs, just noted that it hasn't happened yet. Also I never said a coach could make a player a stud, but "Good players are good players. Has s**t to do with the ... coach." is really ridiculous ... you don't think players play at different levels for different coaches? Joe Montana's college coach couldn't figure him out, Walsh got him and completely re-made his game and made him into one of the greatest QBs in NFL history by developing his game AND building a system that allowed him to maximize his gifts ... but I'm sure Montana would have been just as good if his coach was John McKay with the Tampa Bucs I know we were talking about WRs but it applies at every position. Frank Gore credits Rathman for making him so good at blocking. John Taylor and Terell Owens both credited their coaches for teaching them how to play football at a significantly higher level.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Can't polish a turd.

Actually Mythbusters proved you CAN polish a turd :)
Originally posted by Scoots:
Actually Mythbusters proved you CAN polish a turd :)

got a link?
I assume you were joking but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This. Can't polish a turd. Patton is the most talented receiver they've acquired since Crabtree and he looked good late in the season.

Can't polish a turd but you can make it respectable. We saw what Ted Ginn did after going to another team. Part of the issue is the playcalling but what's the point of having a receivers coach anyways? The talent always rises to the top...doesnt' matter what coach you have there's no doubt about that. But when you have young players selected later in the draft who need work to get their game up to snuff...sorry I don't trust Morton to be that guy.

That's why I want us staying away from guys like Bryant or other project guys who have a lot of work to do. As you know I'm a big Ellington fan but I think his basketball skills will help him regardless of Morton's "teachings". Plus having Boldin and Crabtree on the team now and even Lloyd for the time being can help the young guys more than our WRs coach.

I wish Harbaugh heeded his own motto when it comes to his coaching staff "If you're not getting better then you're getting worse"

I haven't seen any improvement from our OC or WR coach.
I think success reinforces bad habits ... both in players and in coaches. You need someone who has suffered through some struggles and then overcome it. I hope this year Roman changes up his schemes after last years struggles.
Originally posted by Scoots:
I think success reinforces bad habits ... both in players and in coaches. You need someone who has suffered through some struggles and then overcome it. I hope this year Roman changes up his schemes after last years struggles.

3 years in a row it really comes down to the offense. Something needs to change but I'm afraid we'll get more of the same.

We all want a team that's physical and can run down the throats of the other team...but the team also needs to be able to pass the ball well to win in this league and do it well when the other team is able to be physical back to you and shut down our running game.
Originally posted by genus49:
3 years in a row it really comes down to the offense. Something needs to change but I'm afraid we'll get more of the same.

We all want a team that's physical and can run down the throats of the other team...but the team also needs to be able to pass the ball well to win in this league and do it well when the other team is able to be physical back to you and shut down our running game.

My thoughts exactly!! It would be almost comical to have to fit Crabtree, Boldin, Patton, Lloyd, Vernon and a high draft choice at WR into Roman's offense. I think the poor Roman's head will explode.

Guess it's a good problem to have next year but potentially losing Crabtree to free agency forces us to address the WR position.
He's looking more and more like a late first or early second round pick.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Scoots:
I think success reinforces bad habits ... both in players and in coaches. You need someone who has suffered through some struggles and then overcome it. I hope this year Roman changes up his schemes after last years struggles.

3 years in a row it really comes down to the offense. Something needs to change but I'm afraid we'll get more of the same.

We all want a team that's physical and can run down the throats of the other team...but the team also needs to be able to pass the ball well to win in this league and do it well when the other team is able to be physical back to you and shut down our running game.

Huh? 3 years in a row? It was the defense that let the team down in 2012 against Green Bay, Atlanta, Baltimore. The offense was smoking. This year, we can't run the ball at all in the playoffs. Gore's rushing was abysmal and non-existent.
[ Edited by kronik on Apr 30, 2014 at 3:13 PM ]
Originally posted by kronik:
Huh? 3 years in a row? It was the defense that let the team down in 2012 against Green Bay, Atlanta, Baltimore. The offense was smoking. This year, we can't run the ball at all in the playoffs. Gore's rushing was abysmal and non-existent.

Did I stutter?

In 2012 I'm not counting games that we WON so Green Bay and Atlanta don't matter to me. Not saying the defense played lights out however in the end it was the offense that couldn't punch it in to take the lead. And scoring 6 points in the first half isn't exactly "smoking"

So yes, 3 years in a row the offense has failed the team.
Originally posted by mayo49:
BOTTOM LINE A prep basketball standout, Latimer is a well-built, sure-handed, West Coast possession receiver whose hardwood background is evident in his leaping ability, body control and hand-eye coordination. Lacks ideal explosiveness, gear change and flexibility. Could be effective running slants and making contested catches to beat zone coverage and succeed in the red zone. Has a ceiling as a No. 3.
-Nolan Nawrocki

I don't agree with this at all. Latimer was unofficially clocked between 4.39 and 4.42 on his pro day. He's got that basketball player's ability to vertical leap and create space between himself and a defender to catch a ball. He's got tremendous work ethic and a great character. He's got great size. And again that vertical leap is off the scale. If you watch the video of him doing the slam dunk contest at Indiana, he gets so far above the rim it's ridiculous. I think he's got #1 receiver written all over him and he'll be available in the second round.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 5280High:
Patton is gonna do well so the coaches & Baalke will have that feather in their hat. But the FO isnt giving the coaches much to work with and the coaches havent transformed anyone. KW, AJJ, and RJ were all small WRs, in a division where size is beating quickness lately. We need to get some size at that position asap and Latimer fits the bill.

It is? Which receivers in particular gave Seattle the most trouble last season?
Haha none of ours... Yeah TY Hilton dominated them but how many of those guys are really out there you wanna bank a 1st rounder on? F that in my opinion, save the fast midget picks for rounds 3-5 and see who pans out.
He's Matt Barrows 2014 draft crush: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/04/2014-draft-crush-and-the-winner-is.html
Whatever it is, he's zooming up many draft boards and/or mocks. There must've been good reasons WR Coach Morton spent 90+ mins with him. I know Harbaugh talked about players with basketball backgrounds and how that translates to the NFL. Latimer and DeVante Adams are two guys Baalke/Harbaugh could be very interested in.
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