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Phoenix 49ers 2014 Mock Draft V6.0(UPDATED POST-CULLIVER POTATO JAILHOUSE VERSION)
Mar 28, 2014 at 8:32 AM
- NYniner85
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I would be doing back flips if it went down this way!! I love the first two picks Verrett has all the skills and drive and should be there at 30....I don't know a bunch about Latimer and I've seen him around the 5th in mock drafts. What are your thoughts on Bryant or Ellington in the 3rd??
Mar 28, 2014 at 8:38 AM
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
If you swap Fuller in for Verret this would be my favorite mock so far. Not that I dislike Verret, I just like Fullers style and physicality a bit more.
I don't dislike Fuller, he was basically Option 1.B for me at that spot but I do think that the 49ers are set on the outside with Brock and Culliver and are really in need of a high quality slot corner. Verrett is a guy who can come in and create turnovers, make plays, he's shorter than Fuller but they weigh almost exactly the same so you're not talking about much of a difference when it comes to their frames. Fuller is better against the run but Verrett seems to have a 6th sense when it comes to being in coverage.
Here's how Scouts Inc rates both guys overall. In the end, I think Verrett is a guy who can create a lot of turnovers for you and make teams pay for testing him. For what the 49ers need, especially when it comes to dealing with the faster and quicker guys, the Harvin's, Austin's, Randall Cobb's.....etc, I think Verrett is a better fit overall.
Kyle Fuller
Intangibles-1. Son of Vincent Fuller and Nina Dorsey-Fuller. Brother of former Hokie and former Tennessee Titan Vincent Fuller and former Tech receiver Corey Fuller. Younger brother, Kendall, has signed to come play football at Virginia Tech.
Instincts/Recognition-2. Reads quarterbacks and receivers facing the line of scrimmage. Reads receivers well when has back to the quarterback. Disciplined and rarely gets caught out of position. Good sideline awareness tracking deep ball. Can line up on the inside or the outside.
Cover Skills-4. Keeps receivers in front and limits YAC in zone but plays it safe and gives them a healthy cushion more times than not. Struggles to match up with receivers in man. Footwork and balance are inconsistent. Lacks the burst to recover when takes a false step. Gets pushed around at times. Speed is bigger issue. Not fast enough to turn and run with vertical threats when left on an island. Gets matched up with tight ends a fair amount and matches up well athletically but size is an issue.
Ball Skills-3. Above average timing breaking up passes thrown in front of him and getting head turned around when back is to the quarterback. Can break up passes with left or right hand. Makes routine catch look routine but not a ball hawk.
Run Support-1. Aggressive and flashes ability to make play in the backfield. Can get engulfed by bigger receivers but tough and fights off blocks. Some problems getting bigger ball carriers to the ground abut above average tackler for a corner prospect and average tackler for a safety prospect. Not afraid to sacrifice body to make the play.
Jason Verrett
Intangibles-2. No off-the-field issues. Initially was homesick during his first year at TCU and nearly left team after poor performance against Baylor in 2011. Has matured and developed into a mentally strong young man. Good overall work-ethic.Respectful and coachable. Comes from a solid family life and two-parent home (Warren and Cynthia Verrett). Graduated TCU in December 2013 with degree in communications.
Instincts/Recognition-1. Above-average FBIs. Strong understanding for leverage and consistently maintains quality positioning. Very good eyes and anticipation skills in coverage. Aggressive and has improved confidence throughout career. Will occasionally get overzealous against double moves but has speed to recover and cut down on those mistakes in 2013.
Cover Skills-1. Quick twitched with explosive movement skills. Flips hips on a dime. Excellent change of direction skills. Can mirror quickest WRs (LSU's Odell Beckham) without giving up separation. Explodes out of pedal. Quickly transitions out of breaks and displays good balance and short-area burst. Also has elite top-end speed to stick with NFL burners in vertical game. Above-average recovery speed. Lacks of size is only limiting factor in coverage. But is physical and aggressive, so holds his own vs. bigger WRs better than most WRs his size.
Ball Skills-2. Above-average anticipation and playmaking instincts. Quality angles and tracks ball well. Very good body control to adjust. Flashes ability to make acrobatic INT but hands are a bit inconsistent. Can be boxed out by bigger receivers in jump ball situations. Bottom line: makes a lot of plays on the football: 30 PBU's and 8 INTs last two seasons (2012-13).
Run Support-2. Plays bigger than measurables. More than willing to support run. Can get overwhelmed at point of attack by bigger blockers on occasion but usually able to work off of blocks and at least contribute by funneling ball carrier back inside. Takes quality angles and breaks down well in space. Closes in a flash. Shows some initial pop as a hitter (see: knockout blow to Texas Tech TE Jace Amaro). Also does a good job of hog-tying ball carriers in space.
Mar 28, 2014 at 8:42 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:I like Ellington a lot, he's been in most of my recent mock drafts but I thought that getting Desir was a higher priority and I don't see Ellington falling that far back in the 3rd round. Latimer is a "buy low/sell high" sort of proposition, he's a guy who would have been better off staying in school, he needs some time to develop, but when you can get a 6'2", 215 guy who plays physically, runs a 4.4 40, has great, reliable hands, has had about 1,900 yards receiving and 15 TD's over the past two seasons with some great games against top-tier competition....in the late 3rd round, I like the upside there considerably.
I would be doing back flips if it went down this way!! I love the first two picks Verrett has all the skills and drive and should be there at 30....I don't know a bunch about Latimer and I've seen him around the 5th in mock drafts. What are your thoughts on Bryant or Ellington in the 3rd??
Mar 28, 2014 at 9:51 AM
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Phoenix...like it, a lot. I prefer Matthews over Moncrief largely because JM's body of work at Vandy is extensive and impressive. That he has arguably the best work ethic of any WR in this draft is gravy. The fact he's Jerry Rice's cousin is purely karma. I don't know anything about the Indiana WR...so I'll take your word he's worth drafting. Other than that, yours could be the best mock I've seen...it addresses the needs, especially at CB. Verrett should be the slot cover guy while Desir has the length Baalke likes so much. Those two should make our secondary deep and talented.
Mar 28, 2014 at 10:24 AM
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Very fine ovr, imho.
Only thing I dont like is the ILB. Why not a pass-rushing OLB instead while moving Skuta to ILB?
Only thing I dont like is the ILB. Why not a pass-rushing OLB instead while moving Skuta to ILB?
Mar 28, 2014 at 11:31 AM
- LumpiaJeff
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Originally posted by communist:
Very fine ovr, imho.
Only thing I dont like is the ILB. Why not a pass-rushing OLB instead while moving Skuta to ILB?
Skuta would be better on the outside IMO rather than having him play some coverage inside
Mar 28, 2014 at 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by LaMichaelJeff:
Skuta would be better on the outside IMO rather than having him play some coverage inside
I like Barrow because he's experienced dropping back into coverage, has done fairly well with that, shows great instincts, if you watch during games he was always heading towards the football, was rarely out of place. I could see him being a guy like Reid that you could put into a starting spot as a rookie and have him be able to hold his own.
Mar 28, 2014 at 1:08 PM
- m_brockalexander
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I'm sold. Sign me up for the whole package.
Mar 28, 2014 at 1:38 PM
- Big_Daddy
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Verrett sounds amazing... I guess it depends on how highly they think of Daryl Morris, who it seems, has some of the qualities you'd like in a slot corner. It's probably true that Verrett is much better, though I'm hoping a stud WR or DE falls to within our trading rage (10 picks at most i think)
Mar 28, 2014 at 3:10 PM
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Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Verrett sounds amazing... I guess it depends on how highly they think of Daryl Morris, who it seems, has some of the qualities you'd like in a slot corner. It's probably true that Verrett is much better, though I'm hoping a stud WR or DE falls to within our trading rage (10 picks at most i think)
There's not really a comparison. Morris thus far is a nice special teams contributor, maybe down the road he can be a solid cornerback or even develop in the same manner that Brock did, but if you want someone ready to contribute as a slot corner this upcoming season, Verrett is the guy.
Mar 28, 2014 at 3:51 PM
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Nicely wrtitten. I especially like the Verrett, Brocks, Latimer and Long picks !
What tapes changed your mind on Pierre Desir ? I remember you hating on him.
What tapes changed your mind on Pierre Desir ? I remember you hating on him.
Mar 28, 2014 at 4:43 PM
- JDMathews49ers
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Love this mock Phoenix...the only thing I would add would be another WR late in the draft as a project.
Mar 28, 2014 at 6:38 PM
- LifelongNiner
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Solid draft. I like version 5 better, but this works. It fills all the needs and adds an influx of a few guys that can potentially start in 2015 or later.
Mar 28, 2014 at 7:14 PM
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Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:
Love this mock Phoenix...the only thing I would add would be another WR late in the draft as a project.
I don't see the room on the roster for anymore than 2 WR's. You have Crabtree, Boldin, Patton and Osgood. If you include Baldwin, that's 5 receivers, even assuming that Baldwin gets cut, I don't see them holding on to more than 6 receivers. Anyone you draft and try to move to the practice squad will likely get ratf**ked by some other team so it'd be a waste of a pick.
Mar 28, 2014 at 7:30 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:When I first looked at your mock, I thought the kid from Indiana was the CB Colvin from Oklahoma. I was thinking you only drafted one WR but I do agree with your statement. In all mocks I've done, I've taken 2 WR's and 2 CB's each time, and always drafted Verrett and Moncrief in that order. Since the offseason began, I've held true to the belief the Niners should draft 2 WR's and 2 CB's, with 1 of each that can contribute right away. I have a lot of confidence in Verrett and Moncrief and truly believe both these kids can have an impact on this team. I like Moncrief for the sure fact that he has the ability to stretch the field. I'll also like to know if you would take a flyer on a Specialist such as Dri Archer?
Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:
Love this mock Phoenix...the only thing I would add would be another WR late in the draft as a project.
I don't see the room on the roster for anymore than 2 WR's. You have Crabtree, Boldin, Patton and Osgood. If you include Baldwin, that's 5 receivers, even assuming that Baldwin gets cut, I don't see them holding on to more than 6 receivers. Anyone you draft and try to move to the practice squad will likely get ratf**ked by some other team so it'd be a waste of a pick.