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No WR until the 3rd round
Mar 24, 2014 at 7:36 AM
- toppdogg32
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I kinda agree with most of you. All great input and insight. I would like to go WR in 2nd. , if we get a guy in FA. If not, we have to go WR in 1st. CB and Safety, albeit there is a need at both, that need is not quite as urgent as it was a month ago. In my perfect world, we actually go: CB, WR, C/OG..and Safety in 3rd.
Mar 24, 2014 at 7:45 AM
- dtg_9er
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Unless the niners trade up, having the 30th pick in the first round is like having three second round picks...and I see them as interchangable depending on who falls to each spot. I would be very surprised if Baalke locked onto a position, maybe a guy, but not a position. He may trade up a bit for a particular guy but he knows there are plenty of picks to fill spots and he should be concerned with getting the best players not where they fall! If Fuller and Verret are gone by the 30th pick then it may be a waste to take a CB there...or would Roby be good pick?
My ideal draft scenario would be for Baalke/Harbaugh to see guys perfect for the 9ers at each position and have them fall just so...CB, WR, S, C, WR, CB if they have three picks in the third round. That would be 3 defense and three offense to make the coaches happy.
My ideal draft scenario would be for Baalke/Harbaugh to see guys perfect for the 9ers at each position and have them fall just so...CB, WR, S, C, WR, CB if they have three picks in the third round. That would be 3 defense and three offense to make the coaches happy.
Mar 24, 2014 at 8:04 AM
- Raul98
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My hope is they move up in the 1st for a CB and get a WR in the 2nd move up in the 2nd if you have to, to get the WR you really want to make sure you get him.
[ Edited by Raul98 on Mar 24, 2014 at 8:37 AM ]
Mar 24, 2014 at 8:42 AM
- Jakemall
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Originally posted by Eli_23:
Receiver
Receiver
Receiver
Championship!
It worked for Matt Millen
Oh wait.
Mar 24, 2014 at 9:23 AM
- ESWYoung08
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I think that 3 WR sets suit Kap better. However, I think the two TE sets better suit Roman. This is an issue that needs to get figured out. If we move to 3 wr sets I'm all for drafting a WR in the 1st, but if not then I'd say wait til the 2nd. With a conservative offense you need a stout defense, with an aggressive offense you can invest less in the defense. A smart GM would figure out whether Roman wants to stay conservative or play to Kap's strengths and draft accordingly.
Mar 24, 2014 at 9:29 AM
- matt49er
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Originally posted by Quest4six:1st bold=correct
Originally posted by matt49er:
Bold=proof that your knowledge of the 49ers is severely lacking my friend. We don't need a WR that can stretch the field, we need a playmaker that can run up field? What does that even mean? What we need here is a deep threat to say it with me....stretch the field and help open up things in the running game, the short to mid passing game etc. Why didn't we go after Heyward Bay, Jacoby Ford? WTF are you talking about man? We have shown interest in several FA WRs who fit the mold I'm describing. AJ Jenkins? We had him and he sucked remember?
Nobody is arguing with you that the secondary needs help (at least I'm not) we need another CB, maybe 2 but we're fine at safety (starters, depth wouldn't hurt). I guess the easiest way I can break it down for you is this, we have 2 immediate needs, CB and WR. We have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds, this draft is extremely deep overall, especially at WR and CB. Passing up on one of those 2 needs would be beyond stupid in the first 2 rounds (another inaccuracy in your reply to me, I never said we need to spend a 1st round pick on a WR, I addressed the issue of waiting until the 3rd round, try & pay better attention next time).
Have you even paid attention to what the 49ers have done this off season? They have looked hard at a bunch of CBs and WRs and have only signed one min salary CB, what does that tell you about where the minds of this FO is at heading into the draft?
I don't post on here to bash other niner followers or make fun of their knowledge on the team, I expect the same respect from you.
I think whats going on here is I am not doing a great job at explaining my points, or you just aren't getting it.
Implying that we need somebody to stretch a field is saying we need a WR with speed. The reason i listed those other WR are because they were drafted in high rounds because of their ability to stretch a field (aka they were fast).
I used them because they all turned out to be busts, and didn't play well for the teams they were drafted onto.
When I say I want a player who can run up-field, I'm talking about somebody who is agile and fast. I don't want a player that we just send downfield, if he can't catch then its pointless to even put him on the field (hence the WRs i listed)
I want somebody like a Golden Tate, or even a Keenan Allen, somebody that can run routes well and when they get the ball, have that breakaway agility and speed that will demand attention from the opposing secondary.
I want to bring up Allen again because of what he has done for the Chargers. By no means is Allen a fast guy, in fact he failed to break 4.7 in his combine.
But look what he has done for the Chargers, he has that play-maker ability I want and can still threaten defenses by getting up-field after a catch.
I have paid attention to what we have done this offseason, probably alot more than you have.
If you want to respond to my post, please give me the same respect I am giving you. I would hate to make you look like an ignorant D-bag on here.
2nd bold=try
Mar 24, 2014 at 9:32 AM
- OnTheClock
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I think the 49ers should consider adding a Red Zone threat for when Boldin departs, and a slot receiver later on that can compete with Patton.
Mar 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM
- Paul_Hofer
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Originally posted by ESWYoung08:Agree. Will the Niners focus on Kap or Gore? Since Kap is the longer term, then some opening up some down the field plays is the wiser move. Do Harbaugh and Roman have the inclination or background for this? Who Baalke actually selects in the first round should be telling.
I think that 3 WR sets suit Kap better. However, I think the two TE sets better suit Roman. This is an issue that needs to get figured out. If we move to 3 wr sets I'm all for drafting a WR in the 1st, but if not then I'd say wait til the 2nd. With a conservative offense you need a stout defense, with an aggressive offense you can invest less in the defense. A smart GM would figure out whether Roman wants to stay conservative or play to Kap's strengths and draft accordingly.
Mar 24, 2014 at 10:30 AM
- LumpiaJeff
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draft Lamarcus Joyner in the 2nd. Can play the nickle corner and transition to safety. this team would love the versatility
Mar 24, 2014 at 12:12 PM
- Quest4six
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Originally posted by matt49er:1st bold=correct
2nd bold=try
I like how you don't comment on what I said, thanks for agreeing with me.
[ Edited by Quest4six on Mar 24, 2014 at 12:19 PM ]
Mar 24, 2014 at 12:24 PM
- mayo49
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No way we wait until the 3rd for a receiver, 2nd at the latest.
Mar 24, 2014 at 12:26 PM
- Quest4six
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I would like to see us target Bryant with our 4th pick, I think we go
Big physical nickel CB
Quick agile WR
Man coverage/physical CB
Then a red zone WR like Bryant
Big physical nickel CB
Quick agile WR
Man coverage/physical CB
Then a red zone WR like Bryant
Mar 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM
- matt49er
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Originally posted by Quest4six:
Originally posted by matt49er:
1st bold=correct
2nd bold=try
I like how you don't comment on what I said, thanks for agreeing with me.
dude you did a horrible job of explaining your points which I highlighted in previous reply's to you on this thread. You literally said we don't need someone to stretch the field we need someone who can run up field. Then you explained that further by saying why draft someone with speed who can't catch like anyone in the world is talking about getting a speed WR who can't catch the ball. Your points haven't made sense, you've consistently talked in circles doing a horrible job of articulating your points which you pretty much admitted. You can keep trying but I wouldn't suggest it.
Mar 24, 2014 at 12:44 PM
- matt49er
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Originally posted by Quest4six:
I would like to see us target Bryant with our 4th pick, I think we go
Big physical nickel CB
Quick agile WR
Man coverage/physical CB
Then a red zone WR like Bryant
this would be good to me
Mar 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM
- Quest4six
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Originally posted by matt49er:dude you did a horrible job of explaining your points which I highlighted in previous reply's to you on this thread. You literally said we don't need someone to stretch the field we need someone who can run up field. Then you explained that further by saying why draft someone with speed who can't catch like anyone in the world is talking about getting a speed WR who can't catch the ball. Your points haven't made sense, you've consistently talked in circles doing a horrible job of articulating your points which you pretty much admitted. You can keep trying but I wouldn't suggest it.
Actually I didn't, I just don't think you understood it. I did say that, I just don't think you brain can comprehend what I meant.
I then tried explaining by using Keenan Allen as an example but you failed to realize that . People on here have been posting about how we need a WR with speed that we can just send on vertical routes to stretch the defense. Not my fault you joined this thread late without reading previous comments.
Again, I'll put this on the reading comprehension level of a 3rd grader so you can understand.
I don't want a WR who is known for being fast. The last couple WR who have been drafted because of their speed usually end up being busts. Those WR I listed were examples and have been known for having dropping issues.
Did I lose you yet?
I then claimed I wanted somebody who could catch and turn up field. AKA I'm implying that I want a receiver who has a high YAC % (hopefully abbreviations don't confuse you).
Implying that somebody has a high YAC% doesn't mean that they are always fast. CASE IN POINT ALLEN.
Now, do you have any further questions or have I lost you completely?
I like how in still talking football and your on here bashing my posts, what's your issue dude?
[ Edited by Quest4six on Mar 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM ]