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Names I feel need more attention

My take on 3-5th round players who I feel could have an impact THIS year

Will Sutton
After seeing a lot of talk on here about getting Tuitt 1st round, I think Will Sutton needs to be brought up again.
The size on the guy is great, he is big hitting nose tackle who I feel could clog up some running lanes and whack some guys like Lynch around.
Plus he would for into our 3-4 scheme perfectly
Not to mention he is a PAC-12 guy.

Shane Skov
Where is the Shane Skov talk?
He is an amazing inside LB and he thrived at Stanford in that system. One thing that separates Bowman and Willy from the rest of the NFL is their football IQ. Skov, having gone to Stanford and played under Harbaugh, is the same way. Truly a student of the game, I feel in Bowmans absence Willis could mold him into an excellent LB with a pass rush that could benefit Smith.

Cyrus Kouandijo
I know he failed his physical, I know he has some knee issues, but he could be the perfect replacement if we lose Iupati or Boone.
If this Lattimore thing turns out positive, this could be an optimistic pick to add depth to our offensive line. I see nothing but potential here.

Lastly I'm a huge fan of Trent Murphy from Stanford
If you don't know who this guy is, google him.
OLB/DE
This guy has all the potential to be the PERFECT compliment to Aldon Smith and take over for the cowboy.
Thrived in a 3-4 system playing end and linebacker. That should say enough
Fast, big, can stop the run and cover the flats. Our defensive ends would be set for years to come.
Again, Harbs coached this kid. He knows the potential.
Will Sutton is not a NT. In fact he's probably not a DT. He has problems with length in the run game, but his burst off the snap is beautiful. I like him as a 3-4 DE that shoots his gap from the weakside. I wouldn't put him on the strongside because he get's washed out too easily, but if he was shooting into the backfield from the weakside he could cause a lot of disruption. He's not a NT though. In fact he has to play next to NT or you risk getting exposed up the middle. 5th rd grade.

I like Shayne Skov but I don't think he makes it out of the 3rd round.

I don't think Kouandijo makes it's out of the 2nd. He was projected to be a top 10 pick but he really struggled this last season. His knee issues don't quite make sense because he played in Bamas bowl game. I guess his knee problem is chronic in nature. He tore his ACL 2 years ago I believe so he may have not properly healed. If he slips to the 4th round I would jump on it. He is the prototypical LT.

Trent Murphy would be a great addition. He plays with excellent technique. Justin Smith is an interesting comparison. It would interesting to see Murphy transition to 3-4 DE in Fangios system. This would be a good pick up. His explosiveness and flexibility is amazing considering his thick frame.
That's the interesting thing about Sutton, he can put on the weight to be a nose tackle. He's played upwards of 310 and still moves like a DE.
I would compare him more towards a Raji/Soap player.
If Sutton can keep his weight up, and still have that strength off the line, I think it would benefit a lot of our linebackers and free up some more sacks for smith
[ Edited by Quest4six on Mar 16, 2014 at 5:04 PM ]
Murphy is not being projected as a round 3-5 player. He's a consensus round 2 pick and is not nearly strong enough to play 3-4 DE. He's a great fit as a 3-4 OLB which we don't need. A guy who weighs only 250 at 6'5 and is noted at the combine for lacking muscle definition is not the perfect fit to replace Justin Smith.

Willis and Bowman have high football IQ's but they are also great athletes. Skov is not a great athlete and his upside is nowhere near Willis or Bowman. He is NFL ready and we do need an ILB while Bowman is out but people don't talk about him because he's not an exciting prospect.

Will Sutton is small for a NT and does not have close to the length to play DE (6'0 with short arms). He is not a good enough athlete to make the field on third downs and is nothing at all like Tuitt.

Kouandijo is another player who is being projected in the 2nd round before we pick. If he somehow makes it to the 3rd-5th round, it's because he has major injury concerns.
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Murphy is not being projected as a round 3-5 player. He's a consensus round 2 pick and is not nearly strong enough to play 3-4 DE. He's a great fit as a 3-4 OLB which we don't need. A guy who weighs only 250 at 6'5 and is noted at the combine for lacking muscle definition is not the perfect fit to replace Justin Smith.

Willis and Bowman have high football IQ's but they are also great athletes. Skov is not a great athlete and his upside is nowhere near Willis or Bowman. He is NFL ready and we do need an ILB while Bowman is out but people don't talk about him because he's not an exciting prospect.

Will Sutton is small for a NT and does not have close to the length to play DE (6'0 with short arms). He is not a good enough athlete to make the field on third downs and is nothing at all like Tuitt.

Kouandijo is another player who is being projected in the 2nd round before we pick. If he somehow makes it to the 3rd-5th round, it's because he has major injury concerns.


I disagree with a couple of these claims, but overall you've got some pretty good points. I think Skov is a better athlete than you give him credit for, Sutton also has the size to play NT in my opinion. I do agree with your take on Murphy though, if we bulked him up for the line, or moved him behind brooks (30 years old)
I think he would do great.
Originally posted by Quest4six:
He's played upwards of 310 and still moves like a DE.

He moves like a nose tackle at his combine weight of 303 pounds.

5.36 40
28 1/2" vertical
99" broad jump
7.93 second 3 cone

He's a terrible athlete across the board and has short arms (31 1/4").

To be fair he does have a reasonable burst and a horrendous top speed which is why his 40 is so bad, but he's known to have stamina issues too.

The reason he does not get mentioned is that he's small for NT and if the 49ers want a pass rushing specialist DT, we should try to get Dom Easley who is a much better athlete and a guy we can stash on the IR. He seems like a better fit for a 4-3.
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
He moves like a nose tackle at his combine weight of 303 pounds.

5.36 40
28 1/2" vertical
99" broad jump
7.93 second 3 cone

He's a terrible athlete across the board and has short arms (31 1/4").

To be fair he does have a reasonable burst and a horrendous top speed which is why his 40 is so bad, but he's known to have stamina issues too.

The reason he does not get mentioned is that he's small for NT and if the 49ers want a pass rushing specialist DT, we should try to get Dom Easley who is a much better athlete and a guy we can stash on the IR. He seems like a better fit for a 4-3.

Ahhh I forgot about Easley, good call.
Yeah that 40 of his isn't the best, and he is known to wear down throughout a game and that wouldn't help is against Seattle. Good points
Originally posted by Quest4six:
I disagree with a couple of these claims, but overall you've got some pretty good points. I think Skov is a better athlete than you give him credit for, Sutton also has the size to play NT in my opinion. I do agree with your take on Murphy though, if we bulked him up for the line, or moved him behind brooks (30 years old)
I think he would do great.

He didn't Skov was a poor athlete. He actually commented on his athleticism positively I believe. What he was saying is Skov is not the physical specimen Bow and Willis are. Not by a long shot.
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Quest. Bring in Phoenix49ers to this discussion or SunDevilNiner -- they've followed Sutton closely and they said long before pundits did that Sutton playing at 300+ was the worst decision he could've made. He lost so much explosiveness and agility by gaining all of that weight, making him a NT would be the biggest waste of his talent.

Eon. Cyrus' issue isn't a fear of future ligament injuries, it is an already arthritic knee because the surgeons botched at least one of the surgeries to repair torn ligaments. So yes it is chronic in nature but it is worse than a unhealed healed ligament, that can be rehabbed or repaired. If his knee is already getting arthritic he could eventually need a cartilage graft to continue playing. That tool Brandon Jacobs got tissue from a deceased 12 year old male but his knee still wasn't strong enough. Yea he is 30 years old and Cyrus is young but I even with the rookie wage scale I wouldn't use a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th on somebody who may never be 100% -- at least with ligaments there is a bit more hope and control.

Which leads me to.....IMO Cyrus likely will eventually if not immediately lack the mobility our guards need to run the traps that is a staple for us. Not comfortable with him as any kind of insurance unless he plummets to round 4+ (which won't happen).

EastCoast hit the nail on the head with Skov, except for the height, Skov is 6'2" not 6'5".... Skov will be a role player at the next level, he lacks agility(edit) (comparatively with most LBs) to play on passing downs and only makes up for it with anticipation and IQ. He'd be a great depth - ST pick but he's projected to go to high for us to justify picking him. His ability to play the run and get after the ball is beyond reproach though
[ Edited by sfout on Mar 16, 2014 at 5:42 PM ]
Originally posted by eonblue:
He didn't Skov was a poor athlete. He actually commented on his athleticism positively I believe. What he was saying is Skov is not the physical specimen Bow and Willis are. Not by a long shot.

I never claimed that he said Skov was a poor athlete
I said he's better than the credit he's given (also noting I referenced the positive comment on the athleticism.)
I think he would fit, but researching it further I don't know if I want him as high as some mocks have him going.
For some reason I thought he'd be there come 4th/5th round.


I've been unsure on these guys for a while now, I like getting these second opinions. I didn't know Cyrus's knee was that bad. I'll pass if that's true.
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if cyrus has a knee that's always swelling up when used, then forget it.
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I think a player that needs far more attention here is Telvin Smith. With Bowman out for at least half the season he is one of my top draft crushes at this point. If he bulks up a little i think down the line he can be our future starter at MLB. Right now i really like him on pass downs and in sub packages.

Telvin Smith 6´3" 218 FSU



http://draftbreakdown.com/players/telvin-smith/
[ Edited by DeUh on Mar 16, 2014 at 6:43 PM ]
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Murphy is not being projected as a round 3-5 player. He's a consensus round 2 pick and is not nearly strong enough to play 3-4 DE. He's a great fit as a 3-4 OLB which we don't need. A guy who weighs only 250 at 6'5 and is noted at the combine for lacking muscle definition is not the perfect fit to replace Justin Smith.

Willis and Bowman have high football IQ's but they are also great athletes. Skov is not a great athlete and his upside is nowhere near Willis or Bowman. He is NFL ready and we do need an ILB while Bowman is out but people don't talk about him because he's not an exciting prospect.

Will Sutton is small for a NT and does not have close to the length to play DE (6'0 with short arms). He is not a good enough athlete to make the field on third downs and is nothing at all like Tuitt.

Kouandijo is another player who is being projected in the 2nd round before we pick. If he somehow makes it to the 3rd-5th round, it's because he has major injury concerns.

Hear, hear!
I think lance Moore should be mentioned. Dude makes some acrobatic catches and can play slot. Anaihilates us everytime we play them, and just would look good on our team.
Originally posted by sfout:
Quest. Bring in Phoenix49ers to this discussion or SunDevilNiner -- they've followed Sutton closely and they said long before pundits did that Sutton playing at 300+ was the worst decision he could've made. He lost so much explosiveness and agility by gaining all of that weight, making him a NT would be the biggest waste of his talent.

Eon. Cyrus' issue isn't a fear of future ligament injuries, it is an already arthritic knee because the surgeons botched at least one of the surgeries to repair torn ligaments. So yes it is chronic in nature but it is worse than a unhealed healed ligament, that can be rehabbed or repaired. If his knee is already getting arthritic he could eventually need a cartilage graft to continue playing. That tool Brandon Jacobs got tissue from a deceased 12 year old male but his knee still wasn't strong enough. Yea he is 30 years old and Cyrus is young but I even with the rookie wage scale I wouldn't use a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th on somebody who may never be 100% -- at least with ligaments there is a bit more hope and control.

Which leads me to.....IMO Cyrus likely will eventually if not immediately lack the mobility our guards need to run the traps that is a staple for us. Not comfortable with him as any kind of insurance unless he plummets to round 4+ (which won't happen).

EastCoast hit the nail on the head with Skov, except for the height, Skov is 6'2" not 6'5".... Skov will be a role player at the next level, he lacks agility(edit) (comparatively with most LBs) to play on passing downs and only makes up for it with anticipation and IQ. He'd be a great depth - ST pick but he's projected to go to high for us to justify picking him. His ability to play the run and get after the ball is beyond reproach though







Sutton should never play above 280 pounds, he packed on a whole ton of weight and lost a lot of his effectiveness and explosion. I can see him as a 3-4 DE potentially but I think he's better suited in a 4-3 system, playing DE or DT at a weight between 270 and 280.

He is certainly in no way/shape or form suited to be a NT.