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  • xcfan
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rd 1: kyle fuller, cb vtech -- ready to start. good head; knows how to prepare for guys week to week. only a good athlete, but his play looks better. learns how to defend each opponent so, as a pro, he'll always be on top of things, giving consistently good play. but, if verrett slides this far, he's the guy.



rd 2: xavier su'a-filo, center, ucla -- yeah, center. i think this guy is our future at center. he's very agile. not high cut, which is good for maintaining a low base in a tall guy. he has the movement to terrorize linebackers. he has very good balance and looseness for his size, and will be able to easily slide around a big radius and get push at all angles. he's a markedly better football player than all the other centers available, so i'll invest the time to get this guard/tackle ready to play center. also, he'll be a 5-position lineman if needed.


**next three picks are wr because we only have two maybe three legit receivers and let all the good free agents walk on by.**

rd 2: paul richardson, wr, colo -- we need quickness, speed and athleticism at wr, so we start with richardson. a shorter, smaller, poor-man's aj green, with a lot of desean jackson thrown in. he can get open downfield and has the body control to make some tough catches. lately, he has shown the ability to put on muscle, so frailty is not a big concern. he can make difference-making plays.


rd 3: robert herron, wr, wyo -- fast, tough, athletic playmaker. if he was a few inches taller, he'd be in the late-first rd conversation. i believe herron has the athleticism to make some plays outside, and isn't only relegated to the slot.


rd 3: bruce ellington, wr, s car -- great athlete with big upside. again, he's a little short, but he's an elite athlete who can outplay defenders and make plays. also, he can be our high-level kick returner. he's going to be a very good slot receiver, but he's athletic enough to make plays anywhere on the field. his speed, balance and body control are up there with the best of them.


rd 3 or 4: jaylen watkins, cb, florida -- a very nimble corner who can lock down the slot. underrated in my book. hopefully, he's there at this pick. good bloodlines (sammy).


rd 4: taylor hart, de/dt, oregon -- high-energy five-technique with just enough natural talent to be a nfl starter. good, not great, player. good locker room, meeting room, practice, gameday guy. kind of like cowboy's less-talented brother.


rd 5: justin ellis, dt/nt, la tech -- super-thick, high-energy interior presence similar to ian williams, but bigger. plays with uncommon energy for such a large guy. has upside: if we can get him defated down to the 320-330 range his quickness will become a big challenge to o-linemen. he has versatility along the line--he has the body to take on a double team, and also has the inclination to penetrate. he just needs some good, tomsula instruction and practice.


rd 6: --gabbert--

rd 7: larry webster, te, bloomsburg -- tall, athletic ex-bball player who was a pass rusher for a year or two, but this guy is a receiving tight end all the way. julius thomas--but longer. to me, the 6th and 7th round is all about finding elite raw materials and developing them. webster is that guy. father played in the nfl.


rd 7: kevin pamphile, ot, purdue -- 6-5 315, not fat, and has nfl-starter measureables. again, very good raw materials to work with. has only played two years on o-line--diamond in the rough.


rd 7: george atkinson, kr/rb/wr/st, notre dame -- close to an elite athlete. why he chose a position he's not well-suited for--running back--i'll never know, but the guy has the goods to be a great kick returner. i think he can make himself into a receiver if he tries. i also think he can be a special teams gunner like colin jones. he's bigtime fast, and you can work with that. he's my little project.
went a little overkill on WR with picks 3, 4, and 5 but good overall. Maybe we could trade one of those WR picks to move up in the first round?
I'm not a huge fan of this mock. I don't like the idea of spending both 3rd round picks and a second round pick on small WR's (Richardson isn't that short but he's extremely thin). We barely use a slot receiver right now so I don't see us drafting two of them.

We have plenty of low quality depth on our defensive line - I think if we get a defensive lineman, it will be someone we like early.

Xavier Su'a Filo will be long gone by 56 - he may be taken in the first round and is considered the clear cut top interior lineman (unless Zach Martin converts to guard). Rather than trading up for Su'a Filo or drafting him in the first only to have him learn C, I think we will just wait for the next draft/free agency and see if our current C's improve. This is an interesting idea though since there are no great C prospects this year.

I like the combination of Fuller and Watkins - I'm not sure Watkins will be there for our 3rd round comp pick, but I like the idea of drafting an outside corner and slot corner.
Combination of Fuller and Watkins is awesome. I like each individual WR you chose, but taking all 3 of them seems a bit redundant. Su'a-filo is a rock solid pick, and I like the late-round flyers on Webster and Atkinson.
Watkins won't make it past the second round
Overkill on WRs, drafting a center in the 2nd round after we just extended Kilgore? Don't like.
  • xcfan
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Originally posted by SofaKing:
Combination of Fuller and Watkins is awesome. I like each individual WR you chose, but taking all 3 of them seems a bit redundant. Su'a-filo is a rock solid pick, and I like the late-round flyers on Webster and Atkinson.

the reality is we have 2 big, slow, proven receivers on this team and nothing else. patton shows promise, but is not proven--and he is not a field-stretching player. outside of them, we have nothing...and that's scary. to me, the receivers in this mock are as talented as--or more talented than--the receivers slated to go closely before them who are 2-4 inches taller. and the tall florida st guy is less of a player than my guys. i'm just looking at football talent, not height. i'm getting more receiver talent in the late 2nd-late 3rd than drafting taller guys with less talent earlier. we need speed and elite athleticism at the position, not more size in a mediocre body. definitely out of the box, but speedy, elite athletes are needed in the worst way.
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Originally posted by matt49er:
Overkill on WRs, drafting a center in the 2nd round after we just extended Kilgore? Don't like.
check the roster--it's frightening enough to keep you up at night...unless you're not planning on going to the super bowl.
kilgore? he has lots of good qualities, BUT he's not a starting center in this league who can win play-to-play. he doesn't have the brute strength that i was hoping he'd acquire in the few years he's been here.
Good mock if we want tha all midget WR core ....
Don't mind the Fuller pock, but Su'a-Filo will be gone by our 2nd rounders plus you want to convert a guy who's better suited to play Guard (and possibly Tackle in emergency situations) and move him to Center where he has no experience? I don't mind the 3 WRs, but they are all essentially the same type of WR. Why not grab a tall, physical WR instead of all smaller speed guys? And as a Purdue guy, Pamphile may have good size and athleticism. But he's horrible. He played on probably the worst line in college football, has no technique and when he gets beat he resorts to holding. He's a UDFA who'd need to sit awhile to learn. Why not grab someone with alot of potential or has an injury that made him drop instead?
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Originally posted by Travisty13:
Don't mind the Fuller pock, but Su'a-Filo will be gone by our 2nd rounders plus you want to convert a guy who's better suited to play Guard (and possibly Tackle in emergency situations) and move him to Center where he has no experience? I don't mind the 3 WRs, but they are all essentially the same type of WR. Why not grab a tall, physical WR instead of all smaller speed guys? And as a Purdue guy, Pamphile may have good size and athleticism. But he's horrible. He played on probably the worst line in college football, has no technique and when he gets beat he resorts to holding. He's a UDFA who'd need to sit awhile to learn. Why not grab someone with alot of potential or has an injury that made him drop instead?

i agree, pamphile is very green, but i think he has good reasons for this given his lack of experience. he has the athletic talent to get coached up into something.
i don't know, i think su'a-filo just might make it to us in the 2nd rd. some think he's going 25 picks earlier. i just don't see that; he's not iupati or kyle long or even larry warford, who was a mid-second rd pick last year.
your mock needs a wide receiver
Like Fuller, Sua-Filo will not make it to #56, pick 2 of 3 WR's, and Watkins will not be there in the 3rd or 4th. Only other good pick is Justin Ellis. Would not be happy with this draft at all.
Originally posted by xcfan:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Combination of Fuller and Watkins is awesome. I like each individual WR you chose, but taking all 3 of them seems a bit redundant. Su'a-filo is a rock solid pick, and I like the late-round flyers on Webster and Atkinson.

the reality is we have 2 big, slow, proven receivers on this team and nothing else. patton shows promise, but is not proven--and he is not a field-stretching player. outside of them, we have nothing...and that's scary. to me, the receivers in this mock are as talented as--or more talented than--the receivers slated to go closely before them who are 2-4 inches taller. and the tall florida st guy is less of a player than my guys. i'm just looking at football talent, not height. i'm getting more receiver talent in the late 2nd-late 3rd than drafting taller guys with less talent earlier. we need speed and elite athleticism at the position, not more size in a mediocre body. definitely out of the box, but speedy, elite athletes are needed in the worst way.

I share your concerns with the lack of speed/athleticism in the receiving core. I think the 49ers feel the same way, which explains the interest in Edelman, Sanders, and the recent but failed drafting of Jenkins. We will definitely look for similar types of athletes in the draft.

I'm not so sure we'll take 3 such undersized athletes. That would comprise half of our WR core. Generally speaking, bigger players still tend to be more productive and durable. 24 players had 1,000 yards receiving this year. Of those 24, only 6 were sub-6'0", and only 7 were sub-200 lbs. We just need a role player or two who can add some speed and better compliment Crabtree/Boldin.
Originally posted by xcfan:
i don't know, i think su'a-filo just might make it to us in the 2nd rd. some think he's going 25 picks earlier. i just don't see that; he's not iupati or kyle long or even larry warford, who was a mid-second rd pick last year.

At this point, I think it's very likely Su'a-filo is the first interior lineman chosen. The last time there were no interior linemen chosen in the first round was the 2008 draft where we took the first one at 39. I would not be surprised if Su'a-filo goes late in the first but I think there is no shot he falls all the way to 56. I don't know why you think Warford and Long were better prospects than Su'a-filo - it was a surprise when along was chosen in the first while Su'a-filo is being mocked in the first by a number of analysts.