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Jimmy Garoppolo-QB-EIU

I think Jimmy G will be sought after...I'd prefer Baalke sign a vet to b/u Kap and draft a more mobile QB like James Franklin.
this makes me worried about Kaep. If we wanted Garo we would have to spend our 1st on him and no way we spend a first on a backup QB. Garo is for sure going to be one of the last picks of day one or one of the first picks of day 2
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by Broseph6:
Again..... This is why people make fun of 49er fans

QB is a huge need, regardless if we resign Kap long term or not.

Love ya Idaho, but QB isn't a HUGE need. Will we need a backup QB? Absolutely, but with Kap about to sign a huge deal, he's the undisputed QB of this team and the face of the franchise. Signing another Colt McCoy type (veteran with no realistic chance to start over Kap, but good enough to game-manage if need be) would solve the issue in a heartbeat.

I simply disagree. With an athletic mobile QB a solid backup is a must. No matter how good the QB is. Look at the history of athletic QB's and they are riddled with injurys and shortened careers. Not only that, but spending a draft pick on a QB, with a QB coach like harbaugh, always has the potential to net a big trade return down the line.

Where would philly have been this season without Foles? Now im not comparing Kap to Vick, but i am saying we would be smart to hedge our bets like philly did.

Personally i would rather have a hand picked backup QB, than some cast off. And yes i would spend a second or third for the right backup QB in a heart beat.

And i love you too.

The history of QBs, mobile or not, is riddled with injuries, so yes a backup is always critical. But they dynamics of the backup situation are always important. If you have an older, oft-injured QB like Michael Vick, it's absolutely critical to have a young guy waiting in the wings to either fill in when needed or take over permanently. In the case of Ryan Mallett (which wasn't terribly different from Aaron Rodgers and the Packers), Brady is hardly oft-injured, but he is getting older and when a young talent drops in your lap, you go ahead and draft him with an eye towards the future.

In this case, we have a young QB who not only is starting his 2nd full season (meaning there's so much more upside and growth potential here), but he's about to sign a fairly large, multi-year extension. That means unless a bus hits him or a sniper takes him out, he's our QB for the next 3-5 years (and likely longer than that).

Given this dynamic, it honestly doesn't make a lot of sense to invest a relatively high pick on a QB. The odds are relatively low that this backup will actually take over for Kap anytime soon even...and even in the event of an injury, given the huge investment in Kap, unless that injury was catastrophic (which is rare), the backup would go back to being a backup.

I'm not saying it's completely without merit, because the potential to turn this person into a pick later certainly does exist. But teams have also drafted guys with late round picks and turned them into viable chips as well (Cassell and Flynn come to mind)...to me, that's a much bigger ROI than risking a high pick in this capacity.

So one has to consider, given they dynamic in play here, how much do we invest in the backup? Do we pick someone relatively high, likely have him sit for 4 years (not unlike Mallett) and hope to get something from him in trade? Or do we acknowledge that Kap is the face of the franchise, bring in a veteran to clean up here or maybe pick someone late in the draft (like a Cassell, Flynn, etc.)?

Btw, I took a look at some of the players that New England could've had in the 3rd, as opposed to their backup QB who stands on the sidelines and holds a clipboard.

#74 - New England, Ryan Mallett, QB
#76 - Jacksonville - Will Rackley, OL (starting LG)
#77 - Tennessee - Jurrell Casey, DT (10.5 sacks in 2013, 2nd team All-Pro)
#78 - St. Louis, WR - Austin Pettis (team's 3rd leading WR)
#80 - San Francisco - Chris Culliver, CB (need I say more?)

My only point in bringing that last part up is that high picks should be (and usually are) the foundation of your team...but when you already have a young foundational guy at a certain spot, I personally don't think it makes a lot of sense to use a foundational-level pick on his backup. Seems like that pick could be used elsewhere to much greater effect on guys that will more likely contribute sooner rather than later. That's my take.

Understand your point entirely Ghost. Well stated argument.

I just think we are in a bit of a unique position with a big need, and room to wiggle in the draft.

Obviously you dont pass on guys that you think will come in and contribute day 1, but if we can draft a RB in the second like LMJ, and not have him contribute a whole lot, i dont see why we cant draft a QB if the right one were to fall in our lap that we see as having great value at the pick. You obviously dont reach, but i would not be surprised in the slightest if we took a QB in the top 4 rounds. If a QB is the best value at any given pick, you like the player, and you have a need, you draft them.
Roman and Harbaugh can not use their entire playbook with Kaep, and there might be a frustration factor there that they will not talk about in public. They don't have to sign Kaep to have him this year. Any QB can go down, and the probabiltiy increases when the QB runs for over 700 yards, and that's a year when they ran very few read options due to the confidence level in the back up. A back up that you expect to have a good chance of winning with is a must if you want that trophy Now. I'm probably alone on this thread, but I would not be surprised to see us draft a QB late in the first round, and then bundle up in the second to take advantage of a deep draft for both WR and CBs. We have a QB whisperer. Lets use him.
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Roman and Harbaugh can not use their entire playbook with Kaep, and there might be a frustration factor there that they will not talk about in public. They don't have to sign Kaep to have him this year. Any QB can go down, and the probabiltiy increases when the QB runs for over 700 yards, and that's a year when they ran very few read options due to the confidence level in the back up. A back up that you expect to have a good chance of winning with is a must if you want that trophy Now. I'm probably alone on this thread, but I would not be surprised to see us draft a QB late in the first round, and then bundle up in the second to take advantage of a deep draft for both WR and CBs. We have a QB whisperer. Lets use him.

The bolded is the only cogent thought in the entire post.
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
The bolded is the only cogent thought in the entire post.

lol Ghost with the obscure word usage. I agree by the way.
Wow I read Harbaugh really likes this guy. WTF??? I thought He was sold on Kaep being the future? Maybe they draft this guy at #30 and let Kap play his final season boom super Bowl or bust free agent???? What is going on??
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

My only point in bringing that last part up is that high picks should be (and usually are) the foundation of your team...but when you already have a young foundational guy at a certain spot, I personally don't think it makes a lot of sense to use a foundational-level pick on his backup. Seems like that pick could be used elsewhere to much greater effect on guys that will more likely contribute sooner rather than later. That's my take.

Here's where I struggle to agree.. (1) We have the extra draft firepower to burn, if we want.. and (2) Everyone screams that QB is THE most important position.. so heck.. why not add a 2nd awesome option at QB in case one falters, falls to injury, or can't be reasonably retained in the near future?
This has to be lighting a fire under Kap's ass. Maybe the Texans take jadaveon at #1 and then trade #33 to 49ers for #30 and Houston also throws in a 4th?
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Understand your point entirely Ghost. Well stated argument.

I just think we are in a bit of a unique position with a big need, and room to wiggle in the draft.

Obviously you dont pass on guys that you think will come in and contribute day 1, but if we can draft a RB in the second like LMJ, and not have him contribute a whole lot, i dont see why we cant draft a QB if the right one were to fall in our lap that we see as having great value at the pick. You obviously dont reach, but i would not be surprised in the slightest if we took a QB in the top 4 rounds. If a QB is the best value at any given pick, you like the player, and you have a need, you draft them.

I can agree with that. In a nutshell the answer to the question of "Would we take a QB high?" is: "Well, it depends."

At some point, the value for any team based on their grades become too high to pass up. Like they've said before, if he's the highest player on your board at that pick, you stick with it, and make that player the pick there.

I think we don't need to go after a QB early, or even at all in the draft. We'd be better served signing a veteran as insurance. This QB class is quite poor. After the early rounds, the drop-off is substantial. The following have 1st-2nd round grades for me: Bridgewater (1st), Manziel (1st), Garoppolo (2nd), and Bortles (2nd). After that, Murray (3rd), Carr (late 3rd). After that, there is no quarterback I'd take before the 5th round none. I was woefully unimpressed.
watch how high Mettenberger is selected.. and think of me.
Texans and 49ers on hand to watch him throw ... I mean what it will cost the Texans to trade into 30 to draft him.
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Roman might not know what to do with this pocket-passer
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Wow I read Harbaugh really likes this guy. WTF??? I thought He was sold on Kaep being the future? Maybe they draft this guy at #30 and let Kap play his final season boom super Bowl or bust free agent???? What is going on??

the la times nfl guy sam farmer did a mock and had saints taking garropolo with the 26th pick in rd 1--before you scream too much, brees is 35 and sean payton went to eastern illinois
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Wow I read Harbaugh really likes this guy. WTF??? I thought He was sold on Kaep being the future? Maybe they draft this guy at #30 and let Kap play his final season boom super Bowl or bust free agent???? What is going on??

He also said Alex was "elite," "his guy," and hung out with him and their wives during the off season. Can you really believe anything he says about a player?