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Jimmy Garoppolo-QB-EIU

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by Broseph6:
Again..... This is why people make fun of 49er fans

QB is a huge need, regardless if we resign Kap long term or not.

Love ya Idaho, but QB isn't a HUGE need. Will we need a backup QB? Absolutely, but with Kap about to sign a huge deal, he's the undisputed QB of this team and the face of the franchise. Signing another Colt McCoy type (veteran with no realistic chance to start over Kap, but good enough to game-manage if need be) would solve the issue in a heartbeat.

I simply disagree. With an athletic mobile QB a solid backup is a must. No matter how good the QB is. Look at the history of athletic QB's and they are riddled with injurys and shortened careers. Not only that, but spending a draft pick on a QB, with a QB coach like harbaugh, always has the potential to net a big trade return down the line.

Where would philly have been this season without Foles? Now im not comparing Kap to Vick, but i am saying we would be smart to hedge our bets like philly did.

Personally i would rather have a hand picked backup QB, than some cast off. And yes i would spend a second or third for the right backup QB in a heart beat.

And i love you too.
[ Edited by IdahoNiner on Mar 4, 2014 at 3:05 PM ]
I'd see us drafting David fales in the 4th as a backup
We trade up in the first to grab a DB/WR
Trade up in the 2nd to grab Garo
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Insurance in case Kaepernick doesn't get re-signed or maybe they just want a better quality backup after seeing what happened to Green Bay. Everyone here is so positive that the 49ers are going to take 2 WR's, 2 CB's, a safety....etc, I wouldn't be shocked if they went DL, CB, QB, WR and the entire Webzone would blow up.
Same here. Indeed I do even expect that strongly.
He'd be a waste of a second round pick, unless we think there is a real possibility that we don't resign Kap.
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
He'd be a waste of a second round pick, unless we think there is a real possibility that we don't resign Kap.

Or unless Harbaugh thinks that Garoppolo truly has the ability to become a very good NFL quarterback.
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Originally posted by Ninefan56:
If Baalke did not pick garopolo what other qb would he think as a good pick who would come closest to Harboughs criteria?

Harbaugh does like Athletic QB's so if he thinks he can be taught up, because he needs a lot of work, Logan Thomas would be a good later round pick.
This guy's value just went up merely by Haraugh's presence.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
He'd be a waste of a second round pick, unless we think there is a real possibility that we don't resign Kap.

Or unless Harbaugh thinks that Garoppolo truly has the ability to become a very good NFL quarterback.

Even if Harbaugh thinks that, you don't use a second round pick on a backup quarterback. It would only make sense if we felt like there is a good possibility Kap doesn't resign or if Kap was near retirement. I'd draft a quarterback later and/or pick up a solid vet who can push Kap a little bit. Second round is too high for that role, especially when we have other needs that we should address to take this team over the top.
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Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
I simply disagree. With an athletic mobile QB a solid backup is a must. No matter how good the QB is. Look at the history of athletic QB's and they are riddled with injurys and shortened careers. Not only that, but spending a draft pick on a QB, with a QB coach like harbaugh, always has the potential to net a big trade return down the line.

Where would philly have been this season without Foles? Now im not comparing Kap to Vick, but i am saying we would be smart to hedge our bets like philly did.

Personally i would rather have a hand picked backup QB, than some cast off. And yes i would spend a second or third for the right backup QB in a heart beat.

And i love you too.

Kap is 6'4", 230lbs and doesn't run recklessly like a Mike Vick or RGIII does. So cant really draw any conclusions based on smaller athletic QB's who never quiet learned to not take the big hit.
Originally posted by MichaelHuffTexas:
I think harbaugh and niners would be more subtle if they were really keen on the guy


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Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
You guys are right. Love this kid. Its pretty well documented i think, have been high on him for quite a while. There is another thread on him i believe.

I dont see him becoming a 49er though. Its a possibility, but unlikely IMO. Its likely he goes quicker than we will want to go on a QB.

Would love to have him though.

But i wouldnt worry about it. We never draft my draft crushes.

Also, thanks for thinking about me guys. Sorry i havent been on much. Took a new job and have been swamped. That and the loss to seattle took a lot of wind out of my sails, and i have been spending most of my free time following the LA Kings, which is my other love in sports. I have been meaning to sit down and write an article for AB, but i have just been too busy.

Hey Idaho! Congrats on the job. Hope all has been well.

I agree with you, think the 49ers like him but don't think they'll pull the trigger on getting him before someone else does.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
If Baalke did not pick garopolo what other qb would he think as a good pick who would come closest to Harboughs criteria?

I think a guy that's way under the radar is Brett Smith. He reminds me of a shorter, yet faster Alex Smith mixed with a bit of Manziel. He'd make heck of a backup and can be had in the 4th to 5th round.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by Broseph6:
Again..... This is why people make fun of 49er fans

QB is a huge need, regardless if we resign Kap long term or not.

Love ya Idaho, but QB isn't a HUGE need. Will we need a backup QB? Absolutely, but with Kap about to sign a huge deal, he's the undisputed QB of this team and the face of the franchise. Signing another Colt McCoy type (veteran with no realistic chance to start over Kap, but good enough to game-manage if need be) would solve the issue in a heartbeat.

I simply disagree. With an athletic mobile QB a solid backup is a must. No matter how good the QB is. Look at the history of athletic QB's and they are riddled with injurys and shortened careers. Not only that, but spending a draft pick on a QB, with a QB coach like harbaugh, always has the potential to net a big trade return down the line.

Where would philly have been this season without Foles? Now im not comparing Kap to Vick, but i am saying we would be smart to hedge our bets like philly did.

Personally i would rather have a hand picked backup QB, than some cast off. And yes i would spend a second or third for the right backup QB in a heart beat.

And i love you too.

The history of QBs, mobile or not, is riddled with injuries, so yes a backup is always critical. But they dynamics of the backup situation are always important. If you have an older, oft-injured QB like Michael Vick, it's absolutely critical to have a young guy waiting in the wings to either fill in when needed or take over permanently. In the case of Ryan Mallett (which wasn't terribly different from Aaron Rodgers and the Packers), Brady is hardly oft-injured, but he is getting older and when a young talent drops in your lap, you go ahead and draft him with an eye towards the future.

In this case, we have a young QB who not only is starting his 2nd full season (meaning there's so much more upside and growth potential here), but he's about to sign a fairly large, multi-year extension. That means unless a bus hits him or a sniper takes him out, he's our QB for the next 3-5 years (and likely longer than that).

Given this dynamic, it honestly doesn't make a lot of sense to invest a relatively high pick on a QB. The odds are relatively low that this backup will actually take over for Kap anytime soon even...and even in the event of an injury, given the huge investment in Kap, unless that injury was catastrophic (which is rare), the backup would go back to being a backup.

I'm not saying it's completely without merit, because the potential to turn this person into a pick later certainly does exist. But teams have also drafted guys with late round picks and turned them into viable chips as well (Cassell and Flynn come to mind)...to me, that's a much bigger ROI than risking a high pick in this capacity.

So one has to consider, given they dynamic in play here, how much do we invest in the backup? Do we pick someone relatively high, likely have him sit for 4 years (not unlike Mallett) and hope to get something from him in trade? Or do we acknowledge that Kap is the face of the franchise, bring in a veteran to clean up here or maybe pick someone late in the draft (like a Cassell, Flynn, etc.)?

Btw, I took a look at some of the players that New England could've had in the 3rd, as opposed to their backup QB who stands on the sidelines and holds a clipboard.

#74 - New England, Ryan Mallett, QB
#76 - Jacksonville - Will Rackley, OL (starting LG)
#77 - Tennessee - Jurrell Casey, DT (10.5 sacks in 2013, 2nd team All-Pro)
#78 - St. Louis, WR - Austin Pettis (team's 3rd leading WR)
#80 - San Francisco - Chris Culliver, CB (need I say more?)

My only point in bringing that last part up is that high picks should be (and usually are) the foundation of your team...but when you already have a young foundational guy at a certain spot, I personally don't think it makes a lot of sense to use a foundational-level pick on his backup. Seems like that pick could be used elsewhere to much greater effect on guys that will more likely contribute sooner rather than later. That's my take.
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
You guys are right. Love this kid. Its pretty well documented i think, have been high on him for quite a while. There is another thread on him i believe.

I dont see him becoming a 49er though. Its a possibility, but unlikely IMO. Its likely he goes quicker than we will want to go on a QB.

Would love to have him though.

But i wouldnt worry about it. We never draft my draft crushes.

Also, thanks for thinking about me guys. Sorry i havent been on much. Took a new job and have been swamped. That and the loss to seattle took a lot of wind out of my sails, and i have been spending most of my free time following the LA Kings, which is my other love in sports. I have been meaning to sit down and write an article for AB, but i have just been too busy.

Hey Idaho! Congrats on the job. Hope all has been well.

I agree with you, think the 49ers like him but don't think they'll pull the trigger on getting him before someone else does.

Thanks Travisty. At this point, the hype he is getting, its likely he goes late first round. He has moved up peoples draft boards steadily all off season and i dont see it stoping. Some team has already fallen in love with this kid and is likely willing to spend a first on him IMO.

To me, this kid looks like the real deal.