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Originally posted by Ninefan56:
If the pass was short enough then Sherman could bat a redzone ball away from Kelvin Benjamin. I think that the Niners will pick one or two WRs in the draft and we have other positions to fill and backfield will take 2-4 picks - 2-3 CBs and 1-2 safeties.

Yes, but if the pass is high because Benjamin is tall and can jump, then the completion is that much more likely. The pass to Crabtree may have been too low but it was a good play by Sherman...somewhat lucky the LB was there for the int.
Best player available at DL, DB,or WR. Make a list, rank it, pick the guy that comes up. Nobody knows who will be available when we select or if we move up. Or they should be aggressive in targeting and moving up, but there's more risk in that . I see these teams draft for need every year, but there's no substitute for an impact player . We have needs in multiple areas. Thought we did well containing Russell and Lynch, Baldwin hurt us a few times and we'll have to deal with a healthy Harvin. All of you make good points , but to me its not so much as personnel as it is playing better when it matters . We have a great team. Hoping they're not one of these great 2nd place teams.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Disagree--the niners were in position to win both games but couldn't complete a pass in the RZ with several chances. Both low scoring games--the D did their job.


Passing game will always be lower than the D due to the nature of Harbaugh's run first system, but I agree they need to have more WRs who can make a difference in tight games. If they didn't get hurt all the time we would be in good shape with Crabtree, Manningham, Boldin and Patton...but would still have an opening or two.

I know the passing attack will be lower because of the run first mentality. I wish that we would pass more to achieve a balanced offense. But to be ranked with the bottom feeders of the NFL as far as passing goes, that's unacceptable. We finished 30th in passing, and we were ranked 32nd for most of the season. I hate when Harbaugh and Roman are too damn stubborn to pass the ball, especially when the run game is getting us nowhere(negative plays or 1-3 yard gains), that's when you are supposed to pass the ball until the defense backs off; then run the ball. Defenses pretty much know what's coming as far as our offense goes, always a run between the tackles on first down. Kaep's arm is elite, he can make any throw and they need to take the shackles off of the aerial attack and go to the air. Mix it up on first down plays, hell, try a slant route on first down.

The offense never seems to have a flow or rhythm to it and that hurts Kaep's game. If Roman would call a few short routes and get Kaep in a groove, then he could call the intermediate and deep routes. The Bo Schembechler offensive system needs to go IMO. Kaep's completion percentage would skyrocket I he could get in a groove.
Originally posted by K1ngCoopa24:
I know the passing attack will be lower because of the run first mentality. I wish that we would pass more to achieve a balanced offense. But to be ranked with the bottom feeders of the NFL as far as passing goes, that's unacceptable. We finished 30th in passing, and we were ranked 32nd for most of the season. I hate when Harbaugh and Roman are too damn stubborn to pass the ball, especially when the run game is getting us nowhere(negative plays or 1-3 yard gains), that's when you are supposed to pass the ball until the defense backs off; then run the ball. Defenses pretty much know what's coming as far as our offense goes, always a run between the tackles on first down. Kaep's arm is elite, he can make any throw and they need to take the shackles off of the aerial attack and go to the air. Mix it up on first down plays, hell, try a slant route on first down.

The offense never seems to have a flow or rhythm to it and that hurts Kaep's game. If Roman would call a few short routes and get Kaep in a groove, then he could call the intermediate and deep routes. The Bo Schembechler offensive system needs to go IMO. Kaep's completion percentage would skyrocket I he could get in a groove.

One reason Walsh succeeded so much was that he understood QBs who passed more would be in a grove and be more accurate. If you only pass when it's necessary the QB and WR are less in sync. So I agree with you but don't think JH does. He is from the Schembechler school where you use vertical passing to keep the D honest and then run it down their throats. That's a bit simplistic to describe Bo's offense, I realize, but it will do.
Originally posted by okla_sooners:
Everyone is saying wr but I feel our biggest need that had to be addressed in the first round is db and DL. Let's not forget the last 2 seasons the last game for us , we have been burned by a wr. Against the ravens and Seattle. We need DL help to stop lynch n pressure Wilson.or a db who can actually cover. We can get a wr in the second.

With the depth of this draft our biggest need doesn't matter. There are great CB's and WR's we can get in rounds 2 and 3 and we have 4 picks there plus our comp pick.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by K1ngCoopa24:
I know the passing attack will be lower because of the run first mentality. I wish that we would pass more to achieve a balanced offense. But to be ranked with the bottom feeders of the NFL as far as passing goes, that's unacceptable. We finished 30th in passing, and we were ranked 32nd for most of the season. I hate when Harbaugh and Roman are too damn stubborn to pass the ball, especially when the run game is getting us nowhere(negative plays or 1-3 yard gains), that's when you are supposed to pass the ball until the defense backs off; then run the ball. Defenses pretty much know what's coming as far as our offense goes, always a run between the tackles on first down. Kaep's arm is elite, he can make any throw and they need to take the shackles off of the aerial attack and go to the air. Mix it up on first down plays, hell, try a slant route on first down.

The offense never seems to have a flow or rhythm to it and that hurts Kaep's game. If Roman would call a few short routes and get Kaep in a groove, then he could call the intermediate and deep routes. The Bo Schembechler offensive system needs to go IMO. Kaep's completion percentage would skyrocket I he could get in a groove.

One reason Walsh succeeded so much was that he understood QBs who passed more would be in a grove and be more accurate. If you only pass when it's necessary the QB and WR are less in sync. So I agree with you but don't think JH does. He is from the Schembechler school where you use vertical passing to keep the D honest and then run it down their throats. That's a bit simplistic to describe Bo's offense, I realize, but it will do.

Exactly right. Really stupid of Roman and Harbaugh to not pass more 'use it or lose it'
Originally posted by matt49er:
Our #1 need is in the secondary, think about what we're set to lose this year. At CB we're looking at losing T.Brown, possibly C.Rogers & it's very likely we'll lose our SS Whitner. We need to reload in the secondary, Culliver is not a sure thing coming back from major injury and we're very thin at corner and aside from Reid, we're really thin at safety.

I agree WR isn't a huge need for the 2014 season since it looks like Boldin will be resigned before FA starts, but he's got 2-3 years left tops and Crabs is entering his final year on his contract w/no guarantee he'll be back after that. Patton is an unknown and we have nothing after those 3 guys, we need at least one, hopefully speedy playmaker at receiver. We saw what happened to the offense when Crabs went down this year, we have to avoid that going into next season while setting up for the future making receiver the #2 priority in my mind.

I really don't see the DL as a need. All our starters will be back, Ian Williams is coming back from injury, TJE looked good last year, if we want him back Dobbs will be cheap and we're getting Tank and Dial. Our depth chart is good at NT: Dorsey, Williams, Dial, DE: J.Smith, Ray Mac, TJE, Tank & maybe Dobbs. I'm all for adding a DL or 2 in the mid to later rounds but we don't need one early.

IMO we need to spend our 1st and two 2nd round picks on 2 DBs and a receiver. In the third round depending on what happens with Whitner we may need to add yet another DB and another WR wouldn't hurt. Then we can start to address other needs like the DL, OL depth, backup QB.

DB is indeed our biggest need. Safety and Cornerback both. Because of the potential losses we may absorb this offseason. No way we can win with gaping holes there. Look what a superior secondary does for Seattle. The are putting trophies in the case. We should develop a Legion Of Boom and teach them to hold and grab all the way down the field. This team may get over the top with that.
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Between a DL, DB or WR take who ever is rated the highest at 30 and repeat for rounds two and three.

That seems logical.
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Between a DL, DB or WR take who ever is rated the highest at 30 and repeat for rounds two and three.

That seems logical.

Also agree, although Baalke will almost certainly be able to move around if he wants to pick a certain guy.
Baalke and the 49ers need to remember that this draft is DEEP at CB and WR, our 2 most important needs. But that being said, I feel we need to Grab DE/DT Ra'shede Hagemen or DE/DT Stephon Tuitt at #30 because Cowboy and Ray Mac are both still solid but getting old and could SLIP overnight really and this defense is BUILT around the front 7.. Then with our #56,61,77,94,125,158,189,218,219,220,222, we can address WR,CB,S,OG,RB etc etc depth.
Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Baalke and the 49ers need to remember that this draft is DEEP at CB and WR, our 2 most important needs. But that being said, I feel we need to Grab DE/DT Ra'shede Hagemen or DE/DT Stephon Tuitt at #30 because Cowboy and Ray Mac are both still solid but getting old and could SLIP overnight really and this defense is BUILT around the front 7.. Then with our #56,61,77,94,125,158,189,218,219,220,222, we can address WR,CB,S,OG,RB etc etc depth.

I would actually be fine with that although it would be unpopular. It would be the best for the team. I prefer Hageman.
Cb
Biggest needs:

1.) More athleticism at CB (size, speed, playmaking ability, whatever, just better overall talent)
2.) Speed at WR (doesn't have to be a smaller speed WR, but it does have to be a REAL WR who happens to have speed)
3.) New offensive coordinator, one who can push back on Harbaugh and run a more balanced, more consistently explosive offense