Originally posted by thl408:
Yeah I read what he said in your post. Just wanted to see what you guys think. Even the shuttle run is odd because it asks the player to reach down and touch a line on the ground, which is not what WRs do when running routes. This crouching down to touch the line actually helps a player explode out of a crouched position, again, not something a WR does when running a route.
Back to the flying20, my question was how the flying20 (21-40) is a measure of separation before the ball is caught. It just seems odd to me that the last 20 yards of a 40 yard dash is what is used to gauge separation speed. I suppose there are two categories of separation. One is how the WR gets open to catch the ball. The other kind of separation is once he has the ball in his hands, can he separate himself from the rest of the field and take it to the house.
Yea the end points are negatives but I'm talking about the middle of the L shape of the cones. That corner they have to round off shows something, some NFL teams probably interpret the reaching for line as reacting to a stumble, misstep, or completely reversing direction and getting back up to speed.
Your question regarding it measuring after the catch is just someone making conjecture between Rice rarely being caught after the catch. It is common sense in a way but the flying 20 in no way has anything to do with the act of physically catching a pass.
You could argue that if a ball is caught in stride during that 21-40 yard mark then the player would run at that speed until he run out of gas or scored so I see where that connection is made.
Like Marathe states it relates to separation speed in the sense that a WR starts his route almost always facing the direction he will be running. A DB will have more adjusting to do, if a receiver hits that mark of full speed found during the final 20 yards prior to the DB hitting that point the WR will naturally create distance between himself and the DB.
This kind of crap gets really scientific, as you could argue that it is a difference between terminal velocities of 2 separate objects. If a WR runs a 4.5 and DB runs a 4.45 but the WR has a faster "Flying 20" by 0.25 the WR will likely outpace the DB because he will have reached his max speed quicker than the DB and covered more ground than the DB can hope to make up because his "Flying 20" is that much slower even if his 40 time is actually faster.
[ Edited by sfout on Feb 19, 2014 at 2:22 PM ]