Originally posted by RumorHasIt:
Originally posted by sfout:
I take anyone's arguments with thought. But when you throw the words "bigger need" around, I have to rebut.
What is with you and the word logic?? Instead of questioning everyone who raises a question with you why don't you justify it by saying we'll be cutting Celek AND Carrier or something.
What is so wrong with the idea of not drafting a TE to you?
What we need this offseason is a potential replacement for Whitner, Brown, likely Rogers as well and a slot receiver.
Center is a bigger need than TE.
TE is honestly no where near this teams needs that it is funny to see you post we should trade up to select one. I would rather we traded up for DL to play off my earlier post than a TE. At least with a DL we could argue it is for insurance that Carradine is still working in and we may not bring Dobbs back.
First of all no one team drafts purely on need. When you are in a position where there are no major holes in the starting units, (as shown in the scenario I stated in the original post) you draft BPA. I happen to think Amaro is a top 20 player in the draft. Hence my reasoning for drafting him.
How many times did we see the offense sputter in the red zone this year? We beat Seattle if we score 7 off of the opening turnover instead of 3. I don't see any red zone targets outside the top 3 wide receiving prospects that will have an immediate impact. Amaro is that guy. He has size, hands and the ability to get the ball. That's why you get him. Seriously, Davis and Amaro in a two tight set is a nightmare for defenses.
Was New England wrong to draft another TE when they already had a good one? No.
We already have 2 good ones. Vance was 2nd rounder by everyone's estimations not just our FOs, even if he was essentially a slot receiver at Rice. We already have Celek and Carrier. We have 1 elite TE, 1 promising rookie, and 2 intriguing younger players.
New England took both of them in the same draft, they had nobody on offense so they doubled up on a position of NEED. Once again a bad example....
Your reference to Seattle is also not a quality example, we had McDonald, a 6'5 target that we didn't use in the RZ at all against Seattle. Jon Baldwin a 6'4 WR we didn't use at all against Seattle. Even if you make the argument that the players didn't distinguish themselves for opportunities it still begs the question, we have them -- why not use them?
In 2012, we even had an over the hill Randy Moss, who is the epitome of the ultimate deep threat and red zone threat in his career. Even if he was slow, why wouldn't we just draw up some 10 yard fades or seam routes that he could elevate and get the ball? Because it isn't in our scheme. Which is a terrible excuse for the coaches but it is what it is.
if we didn't use those 3 players in a typical RZ situation why would we use Amaro or any other 6'4+ target from this year? WE WOULDN'T!
Finally again, we don't have any semblance of a need at TE, so if they 9ers were truly going BPA they would take the next best player that they could make a case for seeing the field sometime this coming season, let alone the season after that like
WR (assuming Boldin is back we only have 3 WRs signed for 2014 and 2 for 2015).....
CB(3 but essentially 2 CBs w/ experience on the roster),
SS(starter is pending FA -- backup was terrible),
DT/NT(Justin is at the end stage of his career, Ray Mac may need more spells to stay effective, Ian Williams is coming back from a bad ankle injury and still somewhat unproven, TJE is somewhat unproven, Dorsey is only signed for 1 more year),
Center (if there is a 1st round center and we don't re-sign Goody we may opt to get someone with the pedigree rather than going with Kilgore/Looney),
OLB(Brooks is getting up there in age, Aldon has off field issues galor), but Lemonier showed immense potential to replace either of them.
Am I making a point yet. Because this is where I would finally say TE because Davis is 30 years old(2 weeks removed from his birthday) and only under contract for 2 more years, Vance is under contract for 3 years but unproven, and the other 2 are only on deals for 2014.
Finally one last thing about Amaro specifically.....he comes from Texas Tech a program that even after the Mike Leach Air Raid offense left town still barely runs the football so how long will it take Amaro to develop his blocking to be worthy of playing according to our coaches? Probably as long as McDonald which by accounts still needs improvement.
[ Edited by sfout on Feb 16, 2014 at 8:49 PM ]