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Why we shouldn't draft a WR in the 1st round

Mike Wallace is certainly not paid like a rookie anymore ;)
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Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Yeah I'm wondering if we are watching the same games and same players. Culliver was a baller his rookie year. For a third round project, he played lights out. Always seemed to be locked on to whoever he was covering. I rarely saw him get beat. And Eric Wright never bumped Brock down the depth chart. Lol.

Whitner was one of the top strong safeties in the league this past year. His coverage went from horrible in 2012 to being very solid in 2013. It would be ideal to bring back Whitner and draft a strong safety that can take his place in a few years. Hopefully we can bring Whitner back at a decent price. Would not feel comfortable with a rookie back there. Can't assume we'll draft another Eric Reid who can step in right away and excel. I don't want a drop off in our safety play. We need to do our best at keeping this defense intact and adding more studs to it. Don't fix what isn't broken, instead try and add onto it with depth and players that will become starters down the line. Of course the salary cap and the players demands will have a say, but we need to try our best to keep the defense intact.

This is what happens IMO. We bring him back and get use OUR 2nd or one of the 3rds on a SS to develop and the year Whitner leaves we draft another SS in the 2nd or 3rd to compete with the player we get this year.

Like I said Baalke has proven he can close his eyes and find a legit CB so we'll likely let Brown walk, cut Rogers and draft a CB in round 1 or with the Chiefs 2nd. Then bring back Cox to compete with Morris for that 4th CB spot.
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Originally posted by communist:
Mike Wallace is certainly not paid like a rookie anymore ;)

Which is my point, we would've had him at dirt cheap and had first right to Franchise him if he was what we thought he could have been for the offense. If we didn't do it for Wallace why on earth would we do it for a Safety?
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Brock was bumped by Eric Wright at time this year because of inconsistent play. He's good, but not great. Culliver's body of work is limited, but he also looked suspect in pass coverage at times during his rookie season. Granted it was his first year, still his development has been stunted by injury, which makes him a gamble.

Right now, I'd take these guys over Donte Whitner:

Earl Thomas
Eric Berry
Kam Chancellor
Jarius Byrd
T.J. Ward
Devin McCourty
Eric Weddle
Kenny Vaccaro
Mark Barron
Harrison Smith

There may be others as well, but this is off the top of my head.

I like Whitner, but I don't think the 49ers should re-sign him. The fact that re-signing Whitner is debatable tells you something about his value.

Was this taking place in an alternate reality?
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Was this taking place in an alternate reality?

For real. I'm really wondering if the 'zone is in an alternate reality today...some posts....
Originally posted by ronin1387:
whitner is going to be expensive...Hopefully we get a discount because he seems motivated to play here.

Define expensive? I doubt he'll get much more beyond how much he's currently making.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by ronin1387:
whitner is going to be expensive...Hopefully we get a discount because he seems motivated to play here.

Define expensive? I doubt he'll get much more beyond how much he's currently making.

Well the market may dictate a higher cost than desired. Unless the owners/GM intentionally dilute the market like they've somewhat blatantly done with the RB and CB market in recent years.

Goldson fetching $7M per year means that is what Jarius Byrd's agent will ask for, Ward may look for money around the same range definitey in the 5-6 per year range. Whitner is easily the #3 option, if it wasn't for his age he'd easily be able to ask for 5-6 per year. That is his only negative in terms of value assessment.

I do think that he'll be worth no more than 4.5 per year which is just barely above the 3.75 per year average he had with us though.
but if we take a wr in the first round and he blossoms then we don't have to pay crabtree a boatload of money next year
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
but if we take a wr in the first round and he blossoms then we don't have to pay crabtree a boatload of money next year

You say that like we'd give him the opportunity to blossom. Patton will have a year in this system and proven he can block in the run game which to the coaches makes him far more valuable in the short term than even a 1st rounder.
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
but if we take a wr in the first round and he blossoms then we don't have to pay crabtree a boatload of money next year

You say that like we'd give him the opportunity to blossom. Patton will have a year in this system and proven he can block in the run game which to the coaches makes him far more valuable in the short term than even a 1st rounder.

If we trade up in the 1st round and take a WR then theres a good chance he'll start over Patton. They'll battle it out in TC of course but I doubt Patton will do better.
1.Whitney played very good last season in run support and coverage why you wouldn't want him back is beyond me.
I think balked will find a way to bring whitner back.
2. No one that we draft is gonna start
3. Do whatever needs to be done to move up for
M. Evans or K. Benjamin, both players are exceptional either one could get some playing time in year one
Don't forget, Whitner ain't getting any younger. Expect regression.

My bad on the Wright/Brock thing. You're right, it didn't happen. Probably the booze talking
I'll put it simple. 7th ranked secondary. 30th passing offense, even the seahawks who you think have a worse offensive passing game ranked higher in this area than us.

We have been hitting on defensive players with reid, aldon, bowman, Culiver. Defensive is amazing, if theres a stud bpa you take defense.

In this case, we have a stud tightend, great oline, possible 2 good wr's, franchise running back, and francise qb. We have all this talent on offense but were 30TH IN PASSING!!!! We draft Aj because we need a wr, he busted we still need a wr.... SICK OF WATCHING A CRAPPY PASSING GAME!
My main hope is Brandon Cooks in the second, even if we have to trade up a bit as we cannot rely on VD alone to stretch the field, as a TE he's rarely going to get a free release. I'd like us to take Kelvin Benjamin as well if possible but I think he will go in the first or early second and I think we are likely to be looking at a cornerback there.

We're in an awkward position in our secondary in all honesty. Whitner has had his best season for us but I still don't trust him in coverage as much as I should and he also draws a lot of personal fouls, even though they are legal hits and undeserved.

The problem we have is that we don't know if Cully will fully recover from his ACL, there's still that possibility that he doesn't. Rogers is going to cost us too much and is frankly a liability in coverage. He won't get beat deep but he leaves such a cushion that we let a lot of 3rd down conversions through this season at his position due to the cushion he leaves.

I can't see us re-signing T Brown either because I think if he had a future with us then an extension would have been signed when they were discussion over the £2m escalator payment he missed from failing to show to pre-season workouts.

So in short I think we will likely move up to the most pro-ready SS or CB in the first round that is in reach, and 2nd round will look to add a deep threat WR. If Mike Evans or Kelvin Benjamin falls in the draft then I could see us potenitally moving up for them in the 1st round and moving up in the second for SS/CB.

The combine could obviously change everything in terms of the draft rankings.
[ Edited by Buchy on Feb 18, 2014 at 4:46 AM ]
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I'd rather draft a replacement for Whitner. As far as a receiver we need one to rotate with Patton.