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1st Mock Draft w/ offseason moves

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Think it will take more than a future first, a second, and a third to move all the way up to the 5th overall pick. Sammy Watkins would be niiiice doe

A WHOLE lot more. If the raiders agreed to that trade, the NFL community would scream collusion
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Stopped reading after I saw this:

Leaving-
Anquan Boldin

On top of that:

Re-signing T. Brown for 4 yrs at $19 million.

Next..............

Do you not like brown? or do you think that's too cheap?

Boldin leaving wouldn't be that big of a deal at all. With players like decker maclin sanders and others in FA and a draft loaded with receivers.

Boldin is a good player but his stats this season were inflated. When your the only real receiving threat at WR than your going to get your yards. Besides having injuries at receiver (crabs, patton, ham) and even davis was injured at points in the season, we also traded jenkins and got rid of Williams.

Again boldin is good but he is overrated on here.

I think many ppl around here think it's too cheap. But I don't think you are that far off. 5/6 million a year seems about right to me for Brown. I think Decker is overrated. Maclin is coming off injury so you aren't sure what you are going to get with him. I wouldn't mind picking him up while keeping Boldin. I like Sanders as well but I'd rather stick with Boldin for 2 more years while Patton and some draft picks develop. If Boldin is demanding much more than he made last year then of course you let him walk. But for about the same price tag he needs to be retained. No questions asked.

4 years 19 mil is pretty much 5 mil a year.

I think boldin is a hell of a player but I was trying to look at the whole picture. We made it to a superbowl w/o him and by letting him walk we have more money to sign players that will be here for 5+ years. He doesn't NEED to be retained to remain a superbowl caliber team. We would be lucky if he produced close to what he did this season next season or the following. I'm not saying sanders will fill the void, I'm saying the combo of sanders and walkins would. Hell we could even get a lot better, even with boldin crabs and vernon we weren't a great passing team.
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Think it will take more than a future first, a second, and a third to move all the way up to the 5th overall pick. Sammy Watkins would be niiiice doe

A WHOLE lot more. If the raiders agreed to that trade, the NFL community would scream collusion

Now that's just ridiculous. Your acting like this would be the most lopsided trade in nfl history and it wouldn't even come close. Dallas built a dynasty off the walker trade. I think the browns screwed the colts more than we'd be screwing the raiders. Donald Brown was getting more PT than richardson, and he was the 3rd RB before bradshaw and vick got injured.
[ Edited by JimDrinkAMiller on Feb 7, 2014 at 2:53 PM ]
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
I appreciate the critique.

I don't want boldin to leave, but I think it makes sense to let him walk for a couple of reasons. Age, the draft has a lot of talent at the position, and it frees up more money to lock down our star players. We probably will get a different receiver than walkins but I just feel like we've had some trouble at addressing this position in years past and get the slam dunk guy.(other than crabs and boldin)
Age is not a criterium for me.
I dont think that Boldin will get more than the 6 mio he is earning now. Given this sum, he is a VERY good wr and an experienced one. The latter "skill" is not draftable.
We need leaders and experienced guys on every part of the team.

IF we are bad at drafting good WRs, we should keep the guys with quality all the more.
I don't see why so many people think 19 mil won't happen with brown and I'm not talking about you. Brock IMO had a better year than brown and is making around 4 mil a year. Brown has been with the team for longer and is a slightly better player so I think he will get paid more, he just had a down year this year compared to last season.
I disagree. some time ago, Brock was garbage whereas Brown seemed to be a little bit better. Now Brock is a starter and Brown is average, perhaps slightly above average.
Why should he earn over 4 Mio. per year?

As far as kaep goes I agree he is worth around 15 mil, but with how much teams are overpaying their qbs I think he will get a little more. Is he worth as much as Brees, Brady, Manning or Rodgers? no of course not. Is he worth more than Ryan, Flaco, Romo, Cutler or Stafford? Maybe it's the homer in me but I think he is. He still will settle for a little bit less than these guys IMO and if it is indeed 15 mil then that's great.
Sorry, I have expressed myself very vague. I have the same expectations like you. But I am talking in terms of bargaining power/arguments. Kaep is certainly a solid starter, he is even better than that. BUT he showed not only ups but some big downs during this season.
An alternative would be that he receives a huge roster bonus, let's say, in 2016 and later which would raise his salary (our present IF we stay with him, thus we finally believe that he is THE man). But for the 2014 and 2015 season, the base salary has to be low, based on his recent performance.


I think crabs is going to get a big pay day. I also agree that 12 mil a year is a little steep but harbaugh has made it known that he wants crabs to stick around. With Crabtree's history and the type of person he is, I don't see him settling for less. That is why I have him getting paid top dollar.
Indeed your assumption is realistic.
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Think it will take more than a future first, a second, and a third to move all the way up to the 5th overall pick. Sammy Watkins would be niiiice doe

A WHOLE lot more. If the raiders agreed to that trade, the NFL community would scream collusion

Now that's just ridiculous. Your acting like this would be the most lopsided trade in nfl history and it wouldn't even come close. Dallas built a dynasty off the walker trade. I think the browns screwed the colts more than we'd be screwing the raiders. Donald Brown was getting more PT than richardson, and he was the 3rd RB before bradshaw and vick got injured.

LOL, do you think NFL GM's trade draft picks for draft picks referencing those "trades" you mentioned? Have you heard of the draft chart???? Click these links below:

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/46059-draft-value-chart-calculator-see-bottom/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

Google and learn about it. That #5 draft pick is worth 1700 pts. Guess how much the picks you are trading are worth. Keep in mind, next year's 1st (that you have us trading away) is not worth the same points as this year's 1st round pick. A draft pick 2 years away is usually worth one full round less. So that 1st is probably worth the same as this year's low 2nd round pick.

Keep in mind, the Falcons traded TWO 1st round picks (one current #27 & one future 1st), ONE 2nd round pick (current), TWO 4th round picks (current & future) just to move up to #6 to pick up Julio Jones.
[ Edited by kronik on Feb 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM ]
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Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Of course it won't happen but how many mocks are actually close to what the 49ers actually draft?

You think you know what draft picks are worth because of your little chart but in reality your clueless like the rest of us.

Again your talking like you know what the raiders needs and plans are. The raiders don't have to draft a qb now.

EVERYONE knows the Raiders need a QB and the value of top 5 picks is common knowledge among fans who follow the draft closely.

Do you remember the 2 trades we made in the 2007 draft ? One was at the end of the first round the other at the beginning of the second round. They further validate the points I have attempted to explain to you re: the value of draft picks.
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Originally posted by kronik:
LOL, do you think NFL GM's trade draft picks for draft picks referencing those "trades" you mentioned? Have you heard of the draft chart???? Click these links below:

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/46059-draft-value-chart-calculator-see-bottom/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

Google and learn about it. That #5 draft pick is worth 1700 pts. Guess how much the picks you are trading are worth. Keep in mind, next year's 1st (that you have us trading away) is not worth the same points as this year's 1st round pick. A draft pick 2 years away is usually worth one full round less. So that 1st is probably worth the same as this year's low 2nd round pick.

Go roll a fatty (you'll need it) and read the back and forth between the OP and I regarding trading draft picks...he doesn't get it.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by kronik:
LOL, do you think NFL GM's trade draft picks for draft picks referencing those "trades" you mentioned? Have you heard of the draft chart???? Click these links below:

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/46059-draft-value-chart-calculator-see-bottom/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

Google and learn about it. That #5 draft pick is worth 1700 pts. Guess how much the picks you are trading are worth. Keep in mind, next year's 1st (that you have us trading away) is not worth the same points as this year's 1st round pick. A draft pick 2 years away is usually worth one full round less. So that 1st is probably worth the same as this year's low 2nd round pick.

Go roll a fatty (you'll need it) and read the back and forth between the OP and I regarding trading draft picks...he doesn't get it.

Ah ok, didn't realize I'm pounding on sand. Hahaha.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Of course it won't happen but how many mocks are actually close to what the 49ers actually draft?

You think you know what draft picks are worth because of your little chart but in reality your clueless like the rest of us.

Again your talking like you know what the raiders needs and plans are. The raiders don't have to draft a qb now.

EVERYONE knows the Raiders need a QB and the value of top 5 picks is common knowledge among fans who follow the draft closely.

Do you remember the 2 trades we made in the 2007 draft ? One was at the end of the first round the other at the beginning of the second round. They further validate the points I have attempted to explain to you re: the value of draft picks.

but not EVERYONE is saying they need a qb now. If they are looking at one now and he is gone when it's their turn than they could turn their 1 pick into 3 or more and build their team and get their qb in a future draft. Teams always reach on qbs that aren't franchise and maybe the raiders don't want to make that mistake.

A fan's knowledge of a top 5 pick is completely different than a GM's. And your acting like you know what the raider's GM won't do.
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by kronik:
LOL, do you think NFL GM's trade draft picks for draft picks referencing those "trades" you mentioned? Have you heard of the draft chart???? Click these links below:

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/46059-draft-value-chart-calculator-see-bottom/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

Google and learn about it. That #5 draft pick is worth 1700 pts. Guess how much the picks you are trading are worth. Keep in mind, next year's 1st (that you have us trading away) is not worth the same points as this year's 1st round pick. A draft pick 2 years away is usually worth one full round less. So that 1st is probably worth the same as this year's low 2nd round pick.

Go roll a fatty (you'll need it) and read the back and forth between the OP and I regarding trading draft picks...he doesn't get it.

Ah ok, didn't realize I'm pounding on sand. Hahaha.
Closest things in history
30, 94, 119, next 1st = 10
30, 62 = 15
30, 91, 193 = 22
http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2009/04/nfl-draft-pick-trade-history.html?m=1
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by kronik:
LOL, do you think NFL GM's trade draft picks for draft picks referencing those "trades" you mentioned? Have you heard of the draft chart???? Click these links below:

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/46059-draft-value-chart-calculator-see-bottom/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

Google and learn about it. That #5 draft pick is worth 1700 pts. Guess how much the picks you are trading are worth. Keep in mind, next year's 1st (that you have us trading away) is not worth the same points as this year's 1st round pick. A draft pick 2 years away is usually worth one full round less. So that 1st is probably worth the same as this year's low 2nd round pick.

Go roll a fatty (you'll need it) and read the back and forth between the OP and I regarding trading draft picks...he doesn't get it.

Ah ok, didn't realize I'm pounding on sand. Hahaha.

Yeah I've seen the chart that says a #1 pick is almost the same value as the 28th, 29th, 30th, 31st and 32nd picks in the draft. Kinda hard to take the chart seriously after seeing it.

and I never said GM's look at those trades for reference, I said it wouldn't be the most lopsided trade to happen and was using those trades to proove my point.

Again I don't see why a future 1st wouldn't be just as valuable as this year's 1st when you know this year's 1st is the 30th pick. You can move up 29 spots as opposed to sliding down 2. Plus the odds of us making it to another nfc championship is pretty slim, especially when you play in a division like ours.

Now you can continue to pound sand if you'd like or find something more productive to do
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by kronik:
LOL, do you think NFL GM's trade draft picks for draft picks referencing those "trades" you mentioned? Have you heard of the draft chart???? Click these links below:

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/46059-draft-value-chart-calculator-see-bottom/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

Google and learn about it. That #5 draft pick is worth 1700 pts. Guess how much the picks you are trading are worth. Keep in mind, next year's 1st (that you have us trading away) is not worth the same points as this year's 1st round pick. A draft pick 2 years away is usually worth one full round less. So that 1st is probably worth the same as this year's low 2nd round pick.

Go roll a fatty (you'll need it) and read the back and forth between the OP and I regarding trading draft picks...he doesn't get it.

Ah ok, didn't realize I'm pounding on sand. Hahaha.

Yeah I've seen the chart that says a #1 pick is almost the same value as the 28th, 29th, 30th, 31st and 32nd picks in the draft. Kinda hard to take the chart seriously after seeing it.

and I never said GM's look at those trades for reference, I said it wouldn't be the most lopsided trade to happen and was using those trades to proove my point.

Again I don't see why a future 1st wouldn't be just as valuable as this year's 1st when you know this year's 1st is the 30th pick. You can move up 29 spots as opposed to sliding down 2. Plus the odds of us making it to another nfc championship is pretty slim, especially when you play in a division like ours.

Now you can continue to pound sand if you'd like or find something more productive to do

4 = 6, 28
5 = 12, 71, 107, 144, 179, 218, next 1st, next 3rd
5 = 7, 83
6 = 12, 63
6 = 7, 37
6 = 8, 104
6 = 8, 75, next 6th
6, 37, 102 = 17, 18, 54
7 = 12, 71, 106, 143, next 3rd
7 = 15, 56, 100
7, 164 = 10, 78
7, 191 = 9, 82, 222
7, 72 = 12, 43, 63
8 = 26, 71, 89, 125
9 = 17, 48, 109
Here's some examples of what it's taken in the past to move into the top of the draft
Originally posted by solidg2000:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by kronik:
LOL, do you think NFL GM's trade draft picks for draft picks referencing those "trades" you mentioned? Have you heard of the draft chart???? Click these links below:

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/46059-draft-value-chart-calculator-see-bottom/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

Google and learn about it. That #5 draft pick is worth 1700 pts. Guess how much the picks you are trading are worth. Keep in mind, next year's 1st (that you have us trading away) is not worth the same points as this year's 1st round pick. A draft pick 2 years away is usually worth one full round less. So that 1st is probably worth the same as this year's low 2nd round pick.

Go roll a fatty (you'll need it) and read the back and forth between the OP and I regarding trading draft picks...he doesn't get it.

Ah ok, didn't realize I'm pounding on sand. Hahaha.

Yeah I've seen the chart that says a #1 pick is almost the same value as the 28th, 29th, 30th, 31st and 32nd picks in the draft. Kinda hard to take the chart seriously after seeing it.

and I never said GM's look at those trades for reference, I said it wouldn't be the most lopsided trade to happen and was using those trades to proove my point.

Again I don't see why a future 1st wouldn't be just as valuable as this year's 1st when you know this year's 1st is the 30th pick. You can move up 29 spots as opposed to sliding down 2. Plus the odds of us making it to another nfc championship is pretty slim, especially when you play in a division like ours.

Now you can continue to pound sand if you'd like or find something more productive to do

4 = 6, 28
5 = 12, 71, 107, 144, 179, 218, next 1st, next 3rd
5 = 7, 83
6 = 12, 63
6 = 7, 37
6 = 8, 104
6 = 8, 75, next 6th
6, 37, 102 = 17, 18, 54
7 = 12, 71, 106, 143, next 3rd
7 = 15, 56, 100
7, 164 = 10, 78
7, 191 = 9, 82, 222
7, 72 = 12, 43, 63
8 = 26, 71, 89, 125
9 = 17, 48, 109
Here's some examples of what it's taken in the past to move into the top of the draft

Thanks for that informative post.

I was scrolling through it before my computer froze and found a trade that was the 15th pick or so for a 2nd and 3rd round pick, so I think a trade that involved a future 1st could get you up an extra 10 spots or so. Maybe not likely but it could happen. I mean if we moved up 13 spots last year by only giving up a 3rd than I don't think it's that unrealistic. Just my opinion.
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Nice find Solid.

So in every example Solid posted whoever moved into the top 10 had to give up their current first round pick plus....EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Originally posted by solidg2000:
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by kronik:
LOL, do you think NFL GM's trade draft picks for draft picks referencing those "trades" you mentioned? Have you heard of the draft chart???? Click these links below:

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/46059-draft-value-chart-calculator-see-bottom/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

Google and learn about it. That #5 draft pick is worth 1700 pts. Guess how much the picks you are trading are worth. Keep in mind, next year's 1st (that you have us trading away) is not worth the same points as this year's 1st round pick. A draft pick 2 years away is usually worth one full round less. So that 1st is probably worth the same as this year's low 2nd round pick.

Go roll a fatty (you'll need it) and read the back and forth between the OP and I regarding trading draft picks...he doesn't get it.

Ah ok, didn't realize I'm pounding on sand. Hahaha.

Yeah I've seen the chart that says a #1 pick is almost the same value as the 28th, 29th, 30th, 31st and 32nd picks in the draft. Kinda hard to take the chart seriously after seeing it.

and I never said GM's look at those trades for reference, I said it wouldn't be the most lopsided trade to happen and was using those trades to proove my point.

Again I don't see why a future 1st wouldn't be just as valuable as this year's 1st when you know this year's 1st is the 30th pick. You can move up 29 spots as opposed to sliding down 2. Plus the odds of us making it to another nfc championship is pretty slim, especially when you play in a division like ours.

Now you can continue to pound sand if you'd like or find something more productive to do

4 = 6, 28
5 = 12, 71, 107, 144, 179, 218, next 1st, next 3rd
5 = 7, 83
6 = 12, 63
6 = 7, 37
6 = 8, 104
6 = 8, 75, next 6th
6, 37, 102 = 17, 18, 54
7 = 12, 71, 106, 143, next 3rd
7 = 15, 56, 100
7, 164 = 10, 78
7, 191 = 9, 82, 222
7, 72 = 12, 43, 63
8 = 26, 71, 89, 125
9 = 17, 48, 109
Here's some examples of what it's taken in the past to move into the top of the draft

Thanks for that informative post.

I was scrolling through it before my computer froze and found a trade that was the 15th pick or so for a 2nd and 3rd round pick, so I think a trade that involved a future 1st could get you up an extra 10 spots or so. Maybe not likely but it could happen. I mean if we moved up 13 spots last year by only giving up a 3rd than I don't think it's that unrealistic. Just my opinion.

14 = 21, 51
14 = 25, 59, 164
15 = 30, 62
15, 76 = 17, 66, 136
16 = 20, 89
16 = 27, 92, 200

See but they're giving up this years first
A future 1st is worth a 2nd this year
Future pick are worth one less round