Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
Again they are building for the future. I don't think any impact player in this draft could get the raiders to the playoffs in the division they play in, assuming peyton plays again next year.
The raiders don't have a good gm. Look what he did last year. Traded down 9 spots and then took a corner who had major health concerns.
If I traded for seattle's 1st round pick than I would assume it would be a better pick than this year. You have no spots to go down but 32 spots to go up. Therefor IMO Seattle's pick next year would automatically be more valuable than this year. That's the problem I see with the point system.
As far as the 49ers go.. We have been in the nfc championship for 3 years in a row and most of those years we were lucky to not sustain too many key injuries. One could only hope we are that fortunate again this year. I would think a GM would see our pick next year as more valuable because again we're picking 30th this year and have 29 spots we could move up as opposed to only 2 spots we could slide down. Not to mention we are in the toughest division in football and the rams are going to get a hell of a lot better in this draft.
It is not about getting an impact player who the Raiders hope could get them to the playoffs this year...it's about getting impact players on their roster period. And quite possibly a franchise QB at 5.
As far as Reggie McKenzie being a good or bad GM, it's too early to truly tell and he has been working with a serious handicap through his first two years on the job. While he did reach on his 1st round pick and while he didn't get a great value on that trade down with Miami, one has to look at the whole picture here. His first year as GM he did not have any first or 2nd round picks, and last year he had no 2nd round picks. He took over a franchise in salary cap hell. His first 2 picks last year left a lot to desire, but there is still plenty of time for both to improve and grow, however he did find LB'er Sio Moore and perhaps a diamond in the rough in 6th round TE Mychal Rivera. Both Hayden and Watson were very raw prospects but had high upsides. This is his make or break year as GM, 60+ million in cap space and all but one of their draft picks in this class (their 5th round pick belongs to Seattle as part of the Flynn trade and they do have an additonal 7th from the Palmer trade). He won't be making any Madden trades this year with his job potentially on line.
What you think of future first round picks is your opinion, but is widely known and commonly mentioned that future 1st round picks are valued by NFL teams as being worth the 32nd or 33rd pick of the draft. Team are not in the business of assuming or trying to assume where the pick might fall the next year. Thus it possesses little to no current value.
Originally posted by JimDrinkAMiller:
There is a much better chance of improving your team and filling more holes with 2 selections early in the draft this year and a 1st rounder next year, and your still going to get your impact player but it will be a year late. Your acting like Oakland is 1 impact player away from going to the playoffs. While anything could happen it is very unlikely in that division. The players that have the best shot at helping Oakland now would be manziel or maybe bridgewater but with so many qb needy teams before them it is unlikely Oakland will get those players, not to mention the teams behind them that need a qb and could trade up.
I have just as much logics and facts in my posts as you do. Just because my bar isn't all red like yours doesn't mean s**t.
Dwayne Bowe and Roddy White did not look like themselves this year. Roddy White was injured majority of the year and idk what was going on with bowe, maybe some of it was smith. So sanders had a better year than one of their down years, big deal. Your acting like he is a better receiver than those 2 and that is clearly not the case. Again someone might offer him more than 3 years 10 mil but if he wants a good chance at a ring than he'll take less. He could look for the most money possible sure, but he could also take less and play with a contender. Please stop acting like sanders is a #1 caliber receiver when he was the 3rd receiver for most of his career.
When we signed Dorsey he was going to be a backup for us. I would think at least 1 team offered him more money and at least 1 other team offered him a starter position or an opportunity to start. He decided to sign with us for a team friendly deal and the chance at getting to a superbowl. Why would Arthur Jones choose us over the ravens? Maybe he wants to play on a better team, maybe he likes the cali weather. Your assuming that he has no chance to start but he could very well start. You give that player a chance to compete with the starter and let the best man win.
Isn't raymac coming off of an injury where he lost some strength in one of his biceps? Arthur Jones like you said played damn well last year for a 3-4 defensive end. Maybe the contract was on the cheap side, but unless you can tell me definitively who he will sign with and why than you can't tell me it WON'T happen.
Ok so talib has had some issues but he is still more talented than brown. How about B flowers who made 5.25 this year? Or cromartie at 4.3? Out of all the corners in the NFL only 13 make more than 5 mil a year. Do you think brown deserves to be one of those corners? I doubt a team is going to offer him much more than the 49ers and he will probably take a little less and stay with us.
How would Oakland be getting an Impact player a year late, when the likelihood is they would be getting a late first round pick from us ? And impact players are harder to come by at the end of the first round than they are in the top 5. They are not going to assume or try to playing guessing games as to where the pick might fall. Your opinion may be that Manziel or Bridgewater help them the most, but they may disagree. Perhaps Bortles is their guy, or perhaps they like a QB a little later on (Mettenberger, McCarron, Carr etc)...perhaps they have eyes for a different prospect at 5.
Sanders may not have to take less to have a chance at a ring. Maybe teams like Indy, Philly, Green Bay or Carolina will offer him more money, and all those teams will be in the discussion as contenders. Players get their cake and end up with contenders all the time, Sanders does not have to take less money to play for a contender. I never said he was better than the guys I mentioned, simply pointing out statistics are not the end all be all to a players value. Sanders won't be the most coveted free agent WR but there are a lot of teams who could and should have interest.
Arthur Jones will likely be more coveted on the open market than Dorsey was. He was playing at a higher level last year than Dorsey did in his final year with the Chiefs. And by all accounts, it did not seem like Dorsey wasn't getting a whole lot of interest on the market last year. Jones is deemed by most to be one of the more desirable lineman on the free agent market this year. If he wants to play for a deal like you fantasized, he could probably get a similar one from the Pats and go play with his brother or stay with the Ravens. I'll let you believe you are right, and I will look forward to bumping this thread when they sign for more money than in your dream scenario.
Cromartie signed a 4 year 32 million dollar deal in 2011. Since then he restructured it, and made 840k in base this year, the 4.3 is next year. BUT he got a s**t ton in bonus money and or converted bonus money upon restructuring. Flowers signed a 6 year 49 million dollar deal in 2011 that saw him get a 10 million dollar signing bonus up front and another 4 million dollar bonus this past offseason. He also stands to make 2 million dollar reporting bonuses each year for the next 3 years. Given that Sean Smith got 3 years 19 million and Grimes got a one year deal at 5.5 mill, Brown will almost certainly sign a contract that exceeds 4 years at 19 million dollars.
[ Edited by KRS-1 on Feb 6, 2014 at 11:36 AM ]