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No on enamed Nolan; No one named Carroll.




And HELL NO to someone with both names. Is his middle name Singletary?
I would be on cloud 9 if this happened.
You forgot to put pro bowl guard in for 2014 (which he is under contract) at left guard.

Pretty good draft, but I for one would rather keep Snyder at his minimal 1 million dollar contract. He can back up ALL 5 spots on OL. Priceless.

I would then draft a center.
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Originally posted by 9erred:
You forgot to put pro bowl guard in for 2014 (which he is under contract) at left guard.

Pretty good draft, but I for one would rather keep Snyder at his minimal 1 million dollar contract. He can back up ALL 5 spots on OL. Priceless.

I would then draft a center.

He's on the roster - I'm just assuming he starts on the PUP/NFI list. Worse case scenario.

I thought about the Snyder thing, too. But we need to start getting younger at these positions, which always provides talent at a cheaper price. A 3rd round pick + Marquardt on the roster = Snyder's salary. 2 for 1.
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
No on enamed Nolan; No one named Carroll.




And HELL NO to someone with both names. Is his middle name Singletary?

God, I hope not.
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Originally posted by NC49erfan82:
I would be on cloud 9 if this happened.

Because I got your boy Neal from Tennessee in there, right
There are a few problems with this mock.

1. The focus of this off season will be to free up cap space while bringing in young cap friendly talent via the draft to set up the teams future. You have us retaining Whitner and singing free agents. We need cap room to retain Kap and Aldon Smith and then Crabtree.

2. We have 7 picks in the 1st 4 rounds of a very, very deep draft and 12 picks total. As far as I can tell you have drafted only 1 player who will project as a starter unless you count the KR. Joyner as a potential starting CB.

You are drafting a safety in the 2nd round after having reigned Whitner for 3 years. A 2nd round pick to sit on the bench for 3 years?
Iupati will be back and we have Looney and Kilgore for depth and you spend a 3rd rounder on a G/T back up.
A 4th round pick on a back up TE, a 3rd rounder on a pr/kr
Our 1st round pick is a possession type receiver which we already have very well covered with 2 of the best in Crabtree and Boldin. Unless there is an injury he probably won't see a lot of action. Nothing against possession receivers but we have 2 great ones. Wouldn't a deep threat make more sense? Doesn't have to be a speed burner but should have good speed, Rice and TO were deep threats.

Also don't want to dump LMJ for a measly 5th rounder. In 2012 Gore averaged 4.7 yards per carry. 2013 was 4.1 yards per carry. How much is left in the tank?
Hunter is not a workhorse type and Lattimore is an unknown, especially coming off such serious injury.
LMJ played very well last year when Hunter was hurt and averaged 4.9 yds per carry this year. You want to dump him? Even if you want to part with him wouldn't it be better to wait until we are in to the season and know what we have in Gore and Lattimore and then move him to a team hit with injuries that's willing to part with more than a 5th rounder? Maybe even a 3rd.

Possible Mock
Round 1 CB and projected starter
Round 2a Safety and projected starter Whitner's gone If Whitner's back we can get someone in the 4th-5th round to groom
Round 2b Deep Threat WR who rotates in
Round 3a Center to compete for starter with Kilgore
Round 3b DT TJE is ok and Tank weighs 265 and not a real 3-4 DT We need someone to rotate in and eventually start
Round 4a CB competes with Culliver for starting nickel back and provides needed depth
Round 4b Comp pick could be 3rd rd. WR ,could be possession type to back up / understudy Boldin or deep threat/returner
Round 5 and 6 We could go QB, or ILB for depth, OT if we see an upgrade for our back up, TE if we see an upgrade to Celek or another Safety to replace Dahl
Best players available.
Round 7 couple of pup stashes like CB Aaron Colvin and G Spencer Long along with Best Player Available. Maybe the best punter in the draft. If he could match Andy Lee then we could save some cap room. Maybe a PRKR like Dri Archer or Jalen Saunders.
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Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
There are a few problems with this mock.

1. The focus of this off season will be to free up cap space while bringing in young cap friendly talent via the draft to set up the teams future. You have us retaining Whitner and singing free agents. We need cap room to retain Kap and Aldon Smith and then Crabtree.

2. We have 7 picks in the 1st 4 rounds of a very, very deep draft and 12 picks total. As far as I can tell you have drafted only 1 player who will project as a starter unless you count the KR. Joyner as a potential starting CB.

You are drafting a safety in the 2nd round after having reigned Whitner for 3 years. A 2nd round pick to sit on the bench for 3 years?
Iupati will be back and we have Looney and Kilgore for depth and you spend a 3rd rounder on a G/T back up.
A 4th round pick on a back up TE, a 3rd rounder on a pr/kr
Our 1st round pick is a possession type receiver which we already have very well covered with 2 of the best in Crabtree and Boldin. Unless there is an injury he probably won't see a lot of action. Nothing against possession receivers but we have 2 great ones. Wouldn't a deep threat make more sense? Doesn't have to be a speed burner but should have good speed, Rice and TO were deep threats.

Also don't want to dump LMJ for a measly 5th rounder. In 2012 Gore averaged 4.7 yards per carry. 2013 was 4.1 yards per carry. How much is left in the tank?
Hunter is not a workhorse type and Lattimore is an unknown, especially coming off such serious injury.
LMJ played very well last year when Hunter was hurt and averaged 4.9 yds per carry this year. You want to dump him? Even if you want to part with him wouldn't it be better to wait until we are in to the season and know what we have in Gore and Lattimore and then move him to a team hit with injuries that's willing to part with more than a 5th rounder? Maybe even a 3rd.

Possible Mock
Round 1 CB and projected starter
Round 2a Safety and projected starter Whitner's gone If Whitner's back we can get someone in the 4th-5th round to groom
Round 2b Deep Threat WR who rotates in
Round 3a Center to compete for starter with Kilgore
Round 3b DT TJE is ok and Tank weighs 265 and not a real 3-4 DT We need someone to rotate in and eventually start
Round 4a CB competes with Culliver for starting nickel back and provides needed depth
Round 4b Comp pick could be 3rd rd. WR ,could be possession type to back up / understudy Boldin or deep threat/returner
Round 5 and 6 We could go QB, or ILB for depth, OT if we see an upgrade for our back up, TE if we see an upgrade to Celek or another Safety to replace Dahl
Best players available.
Round 7 couple of pup stashes like CB Aaron Colvin and G Spencer Long along with Best Player Available. Maybe the best punter in the draft. If he could match Andy Lee then we could save some cap room. Maybe a PRKR like Dri Archer or Jalen Saunders.

We don't have to extend Aldon Smith because we have an option for year 5 at a very reasonable rate. Plus, I think he needs to prove himself this offseason before we risk an extension with him. And yes, we can retain Whitner, extend Kaepernick, and still have enough left over to sign a few free agents - on the basis we release players like Rogers and Baldwin.

And the free agents I targeted are mid-20s and cap friendly deals.

In terms of only drafting one starter, look at the 2013 draft. Our only starter in that draft was Eric Reid. When you are a prime super bowl contender for three straight years, you'll have most of your starting positions locked down. That's why Baalke focuses on players that may not overly contribute in year 1, but will be a starter in year 2/year 3. Tank Carradine is an example. Marcus Lattimore is another example.

But think about it this way:

Allen Robinson - will immediately be our #3 WR and rotate with Boldin and Crabtree for playing time. May replace Crabtree in 2015 or Boldin in 2016.

Lamarcus Joyer - competes with Carroll and Culliver for the #2 and #3 spots, and may eventually take Culliver's role in 2015. But he immediately becomes an asset in dime packages: Brock-Joyner-Reid-Whitner-Carroll-Culliver is a great secondary.

Jimmie Ward - Eric Reid had some concussion scares in his rookie year, and Donte Whitner has held up nicely as a starter. So yes, it's a luxury pick since he won't be an immediate starter. But he's a raw kid that needs time to learn the game. It's a forward looking pick.

Billy Turner - Iupati is in his last year, and Snyder is getting older. This pick boosts our depth and adds a starting caliber player in 2015. We won't be able to afford resigning Kaepernick AND Smith AND Iupati AND Crabtree AND Culliver AND Boone. Now is the time to start laying the pipeline for the future.

I understand your point that with so many picks, you want many of them to be starters. But remember, we were only damn play away from going to the Super Bowl for the second consecutive year. We have starters that are entrenched in their positions, and no rookie is going to beat them.

You take BPA with need as a consideration in order to sustainably succeed in the NFL. The Patriots have mastered this concept, and we're adopting their strategy to our team.
Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
There are a few problems with this mock.

1. The focus of this off season will be to free up cap space while bringing in young cap friendly talent via the draft to set up the teams future. You have us retaining Whitner and singing free agents. We need cap room to retain Kap and Aldon Smith and then Crabtree.

2. We have 7 picks in the 1st 4 rounds of a very, very deep draft and 12 picks total. As far as I can tell you have drafted only 1 player who will project as a starter unless you count the KR. Joyner as a potential starting CB.

You are drafting a safety in the 2nd round after having reigned Whitner for 3 years. A 2nd round pick to sit on the bench for 3 years?
Iupati will be back and we have Looney and Kilgore for depth and you spend a 3rd rounder on a G/T back up.
A 4th round pick on a back up TE, a 3rd rounder on a pr/kr
Our 1st round pick is a possession type receiver which we already have very well covered with 2 of the best in Crabtree and Boldin. Unless there is an injury he probably won't see a lot of action. Nothing against possession receivers but we have 2 great ones. Wouldn't a deep threat make more sense? Doesn't have to be a speed burner but should have good speed, Rice and TO were deep threats.

Also don't want to dump LMJ for a measly 5th rounder. In 2012 Gore averaged 4.7 yards per carry. 2013 was 4.1 yards per carry. How much is left in the tank?
Hunter is not a workhorse type and Lattimore is an unknown, especially coming off such serious injury.
LMJ played very well last year when Hunter was hurt and averaged 4.9 yds per carry this year. You want to dump him? Even if you want to part with him wouldn't it be better to wait until we are in to the season and know what we have in Gore and Lattimore and then move him to a team hit with injuries that's willing to part with more than a 5th rounder?

Round 5 and 6 We could go QB, or ILB for depth, OT if we see an upgrade for our back up, TE if we see an upgrade to Celek or another Safety to replace Dahl
Best players available.
Round 7 couple of pup stashes like CB Aaron Colvin and G Spencer Long along with Best Player Available. Maybe the best punter in the draft. If he could match Andy Lee then we could save some cap room. Maybe a PRKR like Dri Archer or Jalen Saunders.


I agree why sign and draft high pick players at the same position? Doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
There are a few problems with this mock.

1. The focus of this off season will be to free up cap space while bringing in young cap friendly talent via the draft to set up the teams future. You have us retaining Whitner and singing free agents. We need cap room to retain Kap and Aldon Smith and then Crabtree.

2. We have 7 picks in the 1st 4 rounds of a very, very deep draft and 12 picks total. As far as I can tell you have drafted only 1 player who will project as a starter unless you count the KR. Joyner as a potential starting CB.

You are drafting a safety in the 2nd round after having reigned Whitner for 3 years. A 2nd round pick to sit on the bench for 3 years?
Iupati will be back and we have Looney and Kilgore for depth and you spend a 3rd rounder on a G/T back up.
A 4th round pick on a back up TE, a 3rd rounder on a pr/kr
Our 1st round pick is a possession type receiver which we already have very well covered with 2 of the best in Crabtree and Boldin. Unless there is an injury he probably won't see a lot of action. Nothing against possession receivers but we have 2 great ones. Wouldn't a deep threat make more sense? Doesn't have to be a speed burner but should have good speed, Rice and TO were deep threats.

Also don't want to dump LMJ for a measly 5th rounder. In 2012 Gore averaged 4.7 yards per carry. 2013 was 4.1 yards per carry. How much is left in the tank?
Hunter is not a workhorse type and Lattimore is an unknown, especially coming off such serious injury.
LMJ played very well last year when Hunter was hurt and averaged 4.9 yds per carry this year. You want to dump him? Even if you want to part with him wouldn't it be better to wait until we are in to the season and know what we have in Gore and Lattimore and then move him to a team hit with injuries that's willing to part with more than a 5th rounder? Maybe even a 3rd.

Possible Mock
Round 1 CB and projected starter
Round 2a Safety and projected starter Whitner's gone If Whitner's back we can get someone in the 4th-5th round to groom
Round 2b Deep Threat WR who rotates in
Round 3a Center to compete for starter with Kilgore
Round 3b DT TJE is ok and Tank weighs 265 and not a real 3-4 DT We need someone to rotate in and eventually start
Round 4a CB competes with Culliver for starting nickel back and provides needed depth
Round 4b Comp pick could be 3rd rd. WR ,could be possession type to back up / understudy Boldin or deep threat/returner
Round 5 and 6 We could go QB, or ILB for depth, OT if we see an upgrade for our back up, TE if we see an upgrade to Celek or another Safety to replace Dahl
Best players available.
Round 7 couple of pup stashes like CB Aaron Colvin and G Spencer Long along with Best Player Available. Maybe the best punter in the draft. If he could match Andy Lee then we could save some cap room. Maybe a PRKR like Dri Archer or Jalen Saunders.

We don't have to extend Aldon Smith because we have an option for year 5 at a very reasonable rate. Plus, I think he needs to prove himself this offseason before we risk an extension with him. And yes, we can retain Whitner, extend Kaepernick, and still have enough left over to sign a few free agents - on the basis we release players like Rogers and Baldwin.

And the free agents I targeted are mid-20s and cap friendly deals.

In terms of only drafting one starter, look at the 2013 draft. Our only starter in that draft was Eric Reid. When you are a prime super bowl contender for three straight years, you'll have most of your starting positions locked down. That's why Baalke focuses on players that may not overly contribute in year 1, but will be a starter in year 2/year 3. Tank Carradine is an example. Marcus Lattimore is another example.

But think about it this way:

Allen Robinson - will immediately be our #3 WR and rotate with Boldin and Crabtree for playing time. May replace Crabtree in 2015 or Boldin in 2016.

Lamarcus Joyer - competes with Carroll and Culliver for the #2 and #3 spots, and may eventually take Culliver's role in 2015. But he immediately becomes an asset in dime packages: Brock-Joyner-Reid-Whitner-Carroll-Culliver is a great secondary.

Jimmie Ward - Eric Reid had some concussion scares in his rookie year, and Donte Whitner has held up nicely as a starter. So yes, it's a luxury pick since he won't be an immediate starter. But he's a raw kid that needs time to learn the game. It's a forward looking pick.

Billy Turner - Iupati is in his last year, and Snyder is getting older. This pick boosts our depth and adds a starting caliber player in 2015. We won't be able to afford resigning Kaepernick AND Smith AND Iupati AND Crabtree AND Culliver AND Boone. Now is the time to start laying the pipeline for the future.

I understand your point that with so many picks, you want many of them to be starters. But remember, we were only damn play away from going to the Super Bowl for the second consecutive year. We have starters that are entrenched in their positions, and no rookie is going to beat them.

You take BPA with need as a consideration in order to sustainably succeed in the NFL. The Patriots have mastered this concept, and we're adopting their strategy to our team.


Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
There are a few problems with this mock.

1. The focus of this off season will be to free up cap space while bringing in young cap friendly talent via the draft to set up the teams future. You have us retaining Whitner and singing free agents. We need cap room to retain Kap and Aldon Smith and then Crabtree.

2. We have 7 picks in the 1st 4 rounds of a very, very deep draft and 12 picks total. As far as I can tell you have drafted only 1 player who will project as a starter unless you count the KR. Joyner as a potential starting CB.

You are drafting a safety in the 2nd round after having reigned Whitner for 3 years. A 2nd round pick to sit on the bench for 3 years?
Iupati will be back and we have Looney and Kilgore for depth and you spend a 3rd rounder on a G/T back up.
A 4th round pick on a back up TE, a 3rd rounder on a pr/kr
Our 1st round pick is a possession type receiver which we already have very well covered with 2 of the best in Crabtree and Boldin. Unless there is an injury he probably won't see a lot of action. Nothing against possession receivers but we have 2 great ones. Wouldn't a deep threat make more sense? Doesn't have to be a speed burner but should have good speed, Rice and TO were deep threats.

Also don't want to dump LMJ for a measly 5th rounder. In 2012 Gore averaged 4.7 yards per carry. 2013 was 4.1 yards per carry. How much is left in the tank?
Hunter is not a workhorse type and Lattimore is an unknown, especially coming off such serious injury.
LMJ played very well last year when Hunter was hurt and averaged 4.9 yds per carry this year. You want to dump him? Even if you want to part with him wouldn't it be better to wait until we are in to the season and know what we have in Gore and Lattimore and then move him to a team hit with injuries that's willing to part with more than a 5th rounder? Maybe even a 3rd.

Possible Mock
Round 1 CB and projected starter
Round 2a Safety and projected starter Whitner's gone If Whitner's back we can get someone in the 4th-5th round to groom
Round 2b Deep Threat WR who rotates in
Round 3a Center to compete for starter with Kilgore
Round 3b DT TJE is ok and Tank weighs 265 and not a real 3-4 DT We need someone to rotate in and eventually start
Round 4a CB competes with Culliver for starting nickel back and provides needed depth
Round 4b Comp pick could be 3rd rd. WR ,could be possession type to back up / understudy Boldin or deep threat/returner
Round 5 and 6 We could go QB, or ILB for depth, OT if we see an upgrade for our back up, TE if we see an upgrade to Celek or another Safety to replace Dahl
Best players available.
Round 7 couple of pup stashes like CB Aaron Colvin and G Spencer Long along with Best Player Available. Maybe the best punter in the draft. If he could match Andy Lee then we could save some cap room. Maybe a PRKR like Dri Archer or Jalen Saunders.

We don't have to extend Aldon Smith because we have an option for year 5 at a very reasonable rate. Plus, I think he needs to prove himself this offseason before we risk an extension with him. And yes, we can retain Whitner, extend Kaepernick, and still have enough left over to sign a few free agents - on the basis we release players like Rogers and Baldwin.

And the free agents I targeted are mid-20s and cap friendly deals.

In terms of only drafting one starter, look at the 2013 draft. Our only starter in that draft was Eric Reid. When you are a prime super bowl contender for three straight years, you'll have most of your starting positions locked down. That's why Baalke focuses on players that may not overly contribute in year 1, but will be a starter in year 2/year 3. Tank Carradine is an example. Marcus Lattimore is another example.

But think about it this way:

Allen Robinson - will immediately be our #3 WR and rotate with Boldin and Crabtree for playing time. May replace Crabtree in 2015 or Boldin in 2016.

Lamarcus Joyer - competes with Carroll and Culliver for the #2 and #3 spots, and may eventually take Culliver's role in 2015. But he immediately becomes an asset in dime packages: Brock-Joyner-Reid-Whitner-Carroll-Culliver is a great secondary.

Jimmie Ward - Eric Reid had some concussion scares in his rookie year, and Donte Whitner has held up nicely as a starter. So yes, it's a luxury pick since he won't be an immediate starter. But he's a raw kid that needs time to learn the game. It's a forward looking pick.

Billy Turner - Iupati is in his last year, and Snyder is getting older. This pick boosts our depth and adds a starting caliber player in 2015. We won't be able to afford resigning Kaepernick AND Smith AND Iupati AND Crabtree AND Culliver AND Boone. Now is the time to start laying the pipeline for the future.

I understand your point that with so many picks, you want many of them to be starters. But remember, we were only damn play away from going to the Super Bowl for the second consecutive year. We have starters that are entrenched in their positions, and no rookie is going to beat them.

You take BPA with need as a consideration in order to sustainably succeed in the NFL. The Patriots have mastered this concept, and we're adopting their strategy to our team.
Actually our drafting is not quite what you might think.
2011 Aldon Smith immediate rotate in and eventual starter, Kap QB of the future, Culliver immediate rotate in, Hunter immediate rotate in
2012 AJ jenkins was projected as a starter and LMJ was to rotate in and help ease Gore moving on. Who knew he'd still be going strong today. we had no 3rd rounder.
2013 Reid Starter, Tank 1yr rehab then immediate rotate in and eventual starter, McDonald immediate starter in 2 TE sets that we use a lot. Lemonier rotate in and possible starter in a couple of seasons, Patton immediate rotate in and projected starting slot receiver.

I have no problem with drafting Joyner. He could possibly start right away and projects as a starter. Same with Robinson.

It's the other 5 picks. Why draft a Guard soo high when we don't know if Iupati will be resigned? If he is resigned then he sits on the bench for depth and we cut Looney or Kilgore to make room. Why not a Center who can compete to start immediately. Even if we don't resign Iupati we can draft a pup list guy like spencer long later in the draft or draft someone next year and they can compete with Looney for the job.

Why draft a safety in round 2 to sit on the bench for 3 years behind Whitner that you resign? Barring injury he contributes nothing except special teams. By the time he starts he's in the last year of his contract. If we are going to draft a safety in the 2nd round then let Whitner go, save the cap space, and have him compete to start day 1.

Top picks should either start or rotate in or project to be likely starters. We can get depth in rounds 4-7 and who knows. They may develop as well. Look at Brock. Terrel Brown, Ian Williams, Kendall Hunter.......

Should we draft a FS in rounds 1-3 to back up Reid? How about a QB in the 2nd round to back up Kap? A 2nd round OT to back up our tackles? the 2012 draft is such a waste because AJ Jenkins didn't develop into a starter and we haven't found a way to use LMJ more.