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The reason wanting to draft a "Big Frame" WR is just overrated

Jan 31, 2014 at 2:46 PM
Your own team history should tell you what it is. Jerry Rice = 6'2". T.O. = 6'3". Two of the best guys ever on the 49ers. Dwight Clark making "the catch" had something to do with him being 6'4". Bigger is better. Get over it.
Jan 31, 2014 at 2:47 PM
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If we are to beat Seattle...we don't need big frame guys. Neither do we need guys who can run 4.3 40. Seattle's pass-rush basically takes away deep routes. What we need is a slot guy who can work the middle and break tackles with his quickness. We need a WR in the mold of Wes Welker.
Jan 31, 2014 at 2:48 PM
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Your own team history should tell you what it is. Jerry Rice = 6'2". T.O. = 6'3". Two of the best guys ever on the 49ers. Dwight Clark making "the catch" had something to do with him being 6'4". Bigger is better. Get over it.

Jerry Rice wasn't neither big nor fast
Jan 31, 2014 at 2:48 PM
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Your own team history should tell you what it is. Jerry Rice = 6'2". T.O. = 6'3". Two of the best guys ever on the 49ers. Dwight Clark making "the catch" had something to do with him being 6'4". Bigger is better. Get over it.

There you go again, confusing physical size with talent. Jerry Rice isn't the greatest receiver of all time because he's 6'2", he would have been the greatest receiver of all time at 6'0" or 5'10". The size is nice but their individual talent and work ethic had far more to do with their success.


Its the same b******t you pull with Sherman.
Jan 31, 2014 at 2:50 PM
No he wouldn't be the best at 5'10". That would take a lot away unfortunately.
Jan 31, 2014 at 2:54 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Being a "big" receiver doesn't mean you'll do better at getting off press coverage either. People often make that assumption and I think it has more to do with your mentality as a player than anything else. Now, sure if you're 5'8" and weight 170 pounds, you're going to have an especially hard time, but at that size you're generally playing in the slot anyways.

Baldwin is a big receiver and he was/is s**t against press coverage. Just because you are tall doesn't mean you know how to use that height or have the aggressiveness to attack the ball in the air, that every time a pass is thrown your way, that pass is YOURS and nobody else's.


Recent NFL history is replete with plenty of receiver busts who look like Tarzan and play like Jane.

Seattle is the defense-du-jour for the next few years so other teams will be going bigger at CB. In a perfect world you will be looking for receivers who are good against physical corners in whatever size you find them.

The receivers I've seen "win" against Seattle's secondary were either smaller/faster WRs coming from the slot and finding a way to get behind the corners (usually throw crossing routes) OR big/strong WRs with speed who can play the physical game at the LOS AND run by their slower DBs.
Jan 31, 2014 at 3:00 PM
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tell that Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Josh Gordon.

Anyone who thinks that Calvin Johnson is an excellent receiver because of his size lacks mental acuity.
Jan 31, 2014 at 3:10 PM
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
No he wouldn't be the best at 5'10". That would take a lot away unfortunately.

^ Tell that to Jerry. He would laugh at you. So does Steve Smith FTR.
Jan 31, 2014 at 3:12 PM
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Your own team history should tell you what it is. Jerry Rice = 6'2". T.O. = 6'3". Two of the best guys ever on the 49ers. Dwight Clark making "the catch" had something to do with him being 6'4". Bigger is better. Get over it.

And Jon Baldwin is the best receiver on the current 49er roster.
Jan 31, 2014 at 3:20 PM
I hate when people talk about we already have a bigg WR(Jonathon Baldwin) he sucks plan N simple he sucked in KC N he sucks here ...I believe in having a balanced group of everything a midget WR along with a bigg WR a shifty RB N a bulldozer RB...Itz all about having a balanced team that'z why i'd luv J.Matthews N O.Beckham or J.Huff ...

Jan 31, 2014 at 3:22 PM
Ok then find a small framed guy who can position himself for catches better than a big strong guy..

They both have their benefits.
Jan 31, 2014 at 3:27 PM
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tell that Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Josh Gordon.

Anyone who thinks that Calvin Johnson is an excellent receiver because of his size lacks mental acuity.

They had an infographic one time about how much area he can cover via his size. Him being big and having a wingspan the size of a a small car has a lot to do with his skill set. He can go higher, wider, and longer than almost any DB in the game.
Jan 31, 2014 at 3:29 PM
Originally posted by jreff22:
They had an infographic one time about how much area he can cover via his size. Him being big and having a wingspan the size of a a small car has a lot to do with his skill set. He can go higher, wider, and longer than almost any DB in the game.

If that's all it took, Chaz Schilens who is 6'4", 225 with a 4.4 40, should be beasting and destroying everyone in his way. The reality is that you still need to run routes well, you still need to have enough quickness, solid hands....etc.
Jan 31, 2014 at 3:30 PM
Two questions to ask about a WR prospect:

1: can you get open?
2: can you catch the ball with your hands?

Anything after is extra.
Jan 31, 2014 at 3:30 PM
It's best to have a variety of WRs for certain situations. If Boldin comes back, we have more than enough physicality at WR, great hands, strong blockers and guys that will make most of the tough catches. We don't have REAL size when needed, to put pressure on smaller secondaries and we definitely don't have speed, to stretch the field and get both safeties thinking about defending deep.
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