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which 1 and why..?

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Neither...I want a true slot corner and they can be had without moving up. I think Cully and Brock start on the outside next year.

We can have both and get the slot corner later in the draft. I'd rather have Dennard. Better fit for the defense. It's not too often that we have the chance to get the best DB in the draft.
going to have to cut a bunch of guys then...and not just Rogers, going to be an aweful damn young backfield.

And? The 49ers first SB win had 3 rookies and a 2nd year man in the secondary.
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there are aspects of dennard's raw athleticism that i don't think are worthy of the 1st round. he's going to whiff on some plays against the nfl's best because of it. the intangibles tilt the scale toward playmaking though. if he gets picked before #20, it's a slight reach.
tough pick. love both players. Gilbert provides more value because of his return ability, but i'd go with Dennard because i feel like he's more of a complete cornerback. strong, aggressive, fluid.
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People keep referring to Gilbert's return abilities, but when was the last time you saw a starting CB in the NFL returning kickoffs and punts? KR/PR has become such an important position that teams are using specialists so they focus on that task. If we draft Gilbert for his return abilities it is likely that he won't play defense and that makes him a poor choice for the first round.
Gilbert, he is bigger and can match up better with the bigger WR's like Fitz and Sydney Rice.
Is this a serious question? I take Dennard over any other corner in this draft. He flat out took away one whole side of the field, teams were afraid to throw it in his general direction. I love Justin Gilbert but if I have the choice, it is Dennard all the way. In terms of his technique, his footwork, his ability to play physically, he is the easy choice. Teams do not complete passes on this guy.



"The 77-page report from NFL talent evaluator Dave-Te Thomas concluded that Dennard "might be that 'next great shutdown cornerback' a Big Ten school has produced," Dodd wrote.

It said 77 throws have come to Dennard's area this season, with just 10 completed for 60 yards and two touchdowns. That's 0.779 of a yard per attempt, and the report said Sanders — a Florida State standout from 1985-88 — was the last corner to allow less than a yard per attempt.
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[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Jan 31, 2014 at 11:35 AM ]
Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
Gilbert, he is bigger and can match up better with the bigger WR's like Fitz and Sydney Rice.

5'11", 195 vs 6'0", 200.



Yeah an inch, if that, and extra 5 pounds really gives him a huge advantage.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Jan 31, 2014 at 11:42 AM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
Gilbert, he is bigger and can match up better with the bigger WR's like Fitz and Sydney Rice.

5'11", 195 vs 6'0", 200.



Yeah an inch, if that, and extra 5 pounds really gives him a huge advantage.

In inch of a CB was the difference of us going to the superbowl this year..
Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
In inch of a CB was the difference of us going to the superbowl this year..

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Would be happy with either. But I think the 49ers will not move up for a cb if they move up its to take a wide receiver.
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Originally posted by Karma:
People keep referring to Gilbert's return abilities, but when was the last time you saw a starting CB in the NFL returning kickoffs and punts? KR/PR has become such an important position that teams are using specialists so they focus on that task. If we draft Gilbert for his return abilities it is likely that he won't play defense and that makes him a poor choice for the first round.

Start at the beginning. When was the last time Gilbert returned a punt?

I have pointed various times that Gilbert did NOT return a punt in college.

People who claim that he can return punts or that he can replace James should at least provide some logic explanation supporting their view that Gilbert should be drafted because of his overall return skills.

He has shown in college that he is a good kick returner, but he has not shown any punt return skills.
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Neither...I want a true slot corner and they can be had without moving up. I think Cully and Brock start on the outside next year.

We can have both and get the slot corner later in the draft. I'd rather have Dennard. Better fit for the defense. It's not too often that we have the chance to get the best DB in the draft.
going to have to cut a bunch of guys then...and not just Rogers, going to be an aweful damn young backfield.

Not really. Tramaine Brock, Chris Culliver, Perrish Cox, Darryl Morris, and two rookies. That's six corners, which I believe we have done before. If we haven't it's only one higher than our usual. At safety, we'd have Eric Reid, Dahl, Spillman, Ventrone, one rookie, and hopefully Donte Whtiner. At the present time, it's one higher than usual taking all of our DBs into account. What bunch of guys would we need to cut?
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Originally posted by jersey49er:
ok now this is my question..assuming we trade up to the late teens to draft a cb and both Dennard and Gilbert are available ( highly unlikely but say so ) who would you take and why him and not the other..?

my answer is id take Gilbert bc of his speed an return ability..tho I love Dennards physicality and that hes unafraid to stick his nose in there against the run..

If I am going to pick a corner back in the draft, I am going to pick the corner back who has the best work ethic and coverage skills.

First, I am going to look at their intangibles, such as work ethic.

Second, I am going to look at how well they did in coverage during their college careers.

Third, I am going to look at the coverage skills that they demonstrate in all-star games and the combine.

Fourth, I will look at their measurables such as height, weight, speed, arm length, hand size, and quickness.

Fifth, I will look at what else they bring to the table.
Originally posted by buck:
If I am going to pick a corner back in the draft, I am going to pick the corner back who has the best work ethic and coverage skills.

First, I am going to look at their intangibles, such as work ethic.

Second, I am going to look at how well they did in coverage during their college careers.

Third, I am going to look at the coverage skills that they demonstrate in all-star games and the combine.

Fourth, I will look at their measurables such as height, weight, speed, arm length, hand size, and quickness.

Fifth, I will look at what else they bring to the table.
This.

I don't understand the logic of drafting a cornerback for his returner ability at all, if I'm looking at a cornerback, I draft him for his skills as a cornerback first and foremost.