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Deone Bucannon, FS/SS Washington State

I actually have us taking him with our 3rd pick.
Originally posted by btak49:
Originally posted by DarthNiner:
"Bucannon is a terrible tackler in terms of form and technique. He is almost always lunging or diving at the opponent. Bucannon throws shoulder bombs and does not consistent wrap up, which is a shame because he is physically capable. He just has a ton of bad habits that lead to inconsistent results."

Sounds like Dashon Goldson.

Or Taylor Mays.

Or Donte Whitner
Originally posted by kingkong916:
Or Donte Whitner

Lol, no.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by kingkong916:
Or Donte Whitner

Lol, no.

Care to explain why you think that?
Originally posted by Kes8514:
Care to explain why you think that?

Because that sounds nothing like Whitner. Fundamentally he's actually a very good tackler, coming out of Ohio State, he was a top 1st round pick, a far better prospect than any safety in this draft. Tackling has never been his issue, he's always been a solid open field tackler. Its an example of someone just throwing a name out there without understanding what they are talking about. Not sure if anyone on the 49ers gets less credit than Whitner. He's very bright, shows good awareness, a hard hitter, reliable tackler, decent speed sideline to sideline, just weaknesses in coverage.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Another reason why I think that Earl Thomas is the only irreplaceable part of that Seattle secondary. Sherman and Maxwell could go FO somewhere else, and that secondary would still be great because of the exceptional range and coverage skills of Thomas which are the great equalizer. If he ever goes down for a lengthy period of time due to injury, you'll get to see what that secondary really looks like without him setting the table for everyone. He lets them cheat a lot on coverage and get away with that single high look consistently. A rangy centerfielder like that is especially crucial when you consider the increase of mobile QB's in the NFL today.


If I were running a team, I'd spend far more time scouting safeties and money retaining them then cornerbacks. I think it is a position of utmost importance and if you have two guys who are very strong in coverage, who can be interchangeable basically, that is the ultimate ideal. However it is easier said than done, there's plenty of teams that don't even have one quality safety.


If a guy like Ward is legit, and I haven't seen enough of him to make a judgment one way or another, then I would be happy to see him as a 49er. I'm trying to be more cautious with off-season hype though, I bit on the Cyprien hype last season and he looked flat out terrible and far too raw to be a starter in the NFL.

All of this, and another reason why I think Joyner would do better as a safety than a nickel corner. Now, Joyner doesn't seem to have the same speed/range as Thomas does, but he does have similar playmaking ability against both the pass and run. He'll come up and smack you in the run game, break up passes in the slot and lay you out if you're making a catch anywhere near him. The latter part he'll have to tone down in the NFL, but he's got a lot of Earl Thomas to his game.

Big fan of Ward too, though I don't think he's as "sudden" as Joyner.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
All of this, and another reason why I think Joyner would do better as a safety than a nickel corner. Now, Joyner doesn't seem to have the same speed/range as Thomas does, but he does have similar playmaking ability against both the pass and run. He'll come up and smack you in the run game, break up passes in the slot and lay you out if you're making a catch anywhere near him. The latter part he'll have to tone down in the NFL, but he's got a lot of Earl Thomas to his game.

Big fan of Ward too, though I don't think he's as "sudden" as Joyner.

I think people underestimate just how hard Joyner hits. "Oh, he's only 5'8".......", like height prevents you from blowing people up. Very well built for his height.






Also another thing you notice......long ass arms, dude's got reach.


[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Jan 28, 2014 at 9:08 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Because that sounds nothing like Whitner. Fundamentally he's actually a very good tackler, coming out of Ohio State, he was a top 1st round pick, a far better prospect than any safety in this draft. Tackling has never been his issue, he's always been a solid open field tackler. Its an example of someone just throwing a name out there without understanding what they are talking about. Not sure if anyone on the 49ers gets less credit than Whitner. He's very bright, shows good awareness, a hard hitter, reliable tackler, decent speed sideline to sideline, just weaknesses in coverage.

Right. Coverage.. which has cost us 2 big playoff games in the last two years.
Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
Right. Coverage.. which has cost us 2 big playoff games in the last two years.

Yes, of course, there was no other reason for those losses whatsoever.
Originally posted by DarthNiner:
"Bucannon is a terrible tackler in terms of form and technique. He is almost always lunging or diving at the opponent. Bucannon throws shoulder bombs and does not consistent wrap up, which is a shame because he is physically capable. He just has a ton of bad habits that lead to inconsistent results."

Sounds like Dashon Goldson.

Whitner's guilty of this too but he makes plays, I cant think of too many DBs that wrap up on every play and dont go for big hits when the opportunity arises. I played safety in high school and can personally tell you that we live for that moment.
BUt You could coach him up to be a better tackler though, right? He has the tools, DB coaches are just there to sharpen and polish.
[ Edited by martysofresh on Jan 28, 2014 at 7:17 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
All of this, and another reason why I think Joyner would do better as a safety than a nickel corner. Now, Joyner doesn't seem to have the same speed/range as Thomas does, but he does have similar playmaking ability against both the pass and run. He'll come up and smack you in the run game, break up passes in the slot and lay you out if you're making a catch anywhere near him. The latter part he'll have to tone down in the NFL, but he's got a lot of Earl Thomas to his game.

Big fan of Ward too, though I don't think he's as "sudden" as Joyner.

I think people underestimate just how hard Joyner hits. "Oh, he's only 5'8".......", like height prevents you from blowing people up. Very well built for his height.






Also another thing you notice......long ass arms, dude's got reach.



The first pic is of Matt Elam lol
Originally posted by Cooper22:
The first pic is of Matt Elam lol

Sonofab***h, Google Images lets me down again damnit, sorry, I fixed it.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Cooper22:
The first pic is of Matt Elam lol

Sonofab***h, Google Images lets me down again damnit, sorry, I fixed it.

Definitely see your point though, his long arms make up for his height.. He is also built very well for dback
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
Right. Coverage.. which has cost us 2 big playoff games in the last two years.

Yes, of course, there was no other reason for those losses whatsoever.


Hallelujah....Whitner is seriously the worst safety in coverage in the league. This is why he was literally run out of Buffalo. Frankly, IMO he personally lost us the NFC Championship and last year's SB. I think Seattle had 5 yards of total offense until he literally fell asleep in coverage on that bomb...and last year the Ravens literally have one person out on a rout into Whitner's Zone and Whitner has no idea where the guy is...he is seriously pathetic. I think that people on the Zone are so desperate and gun-shy that they prefer a problem they know about as opposed to a solution they don't.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Jimmie Ward is the 2014 version of Jonathan Cyprien. Expect a meteoric rise. A safety who can cover is priceless in the NFL. Going to be a top 50 pick if he runs well at the combine.


Uhhh...in terms of how they play those two are complete opposites.