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Phoenix49ers Mock Draft 5.0

Like it alot but first 5 are either Dbs or Wrs
Love you Phoenix, but i hate this mock. Worst of the 5. You probably knew i would though.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Love you Phoenix, but i hate this mock. Worst of the 5. You probably knew i would though.

This is actually my favorite out of all of them, fills pretty much every need I can think of.


Competent nickelback to handle the smaller receivers-Check

Big wide receiver to develop/redzone threat-Check

Potential replacement at guard in case Iupati walks-Check

Potential replacement for Whitner in case he walks-Check

Potential starting cornerback to replace Culliver if he leaves next offseason-Check

Additional depth at cornerback-Check.

Starting center in case Kilgore flops-Check

Deep threat on offense-Check

Competition for special teams/safety depth-Check

An H-back type player who can offset what both Dixon and Celek do on the team-Check.

Quality backup QB-Check



The only thing I couldn't fit in there was a real physical hammer of a running back but then again the roster is pretty clogged up.

Breeland is a guy I've seen a lot of, I was shocked when he came out but I promise he's going to be a huge steal for someone. Not a game-ready guy right away but like I said, if he waited a year, he'd probably be looked at as a 1st rounder next year. Raw but with a lot of upside, in the late 3rd he's very good value.

Trey Millard is an amazing player. The best H-back type performer you can get in this draft, 3rd round, even late 2nd potential. He excels as both a TE and a FB and has outstanding athleticism to boot. If the 49ers can pick up him and Long in the 7th, that would be mind-boggling.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Jan 24, 2014 at 6:20 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I like Dixon a lot, the way he moves, with his terrific athleticism, reminds me of this guy from last draft.



On the way home today I heard an interview on the NFL channel with Dixon and very well spoken. Sounded a lot like Willis with a lot of yes sirs and saying thank you a lot.
I'm from Waco,Texas and I have followed Ahmad since he was in high school at Midway (which has become a pipeline Baylor). He seems like a smart kid, natural leader, humble... basically all the character traits you need to be on this team. He isn't the best in coverage but honestly I don't think Phil B worked with him on his coverage a lot at Baylor. If Ed works with Ahmad he can be solid in coverage. Most importantly he bring an attitude and swagger to the back end that will mesh well with the reserved Reid. I'd still perfer for him to sit a year and bring Whittner back for a year or two.
Rather have someone a little taller like Casey Hayward or Leon Hall. Those few extra inches may make a difference when teams move bigger receivers and TEs to the slot. I have a hard time seeing a 5'8"" guy cover a Jimmy Graham or a bigger WR like the Saints Colston. Definite mismatch.
Originally posted by 60sFan:
Rather have someone a little taller like Casey Hayward or Leon Hall. Those few extra inches may make a difference when teams move bigger receivers and TEs to the slot. I have a hard time seeing a 5'8"" guy cover a Jimmy Graham or a bigger WR like the Saints Colston. Definite mismatch.

That is why you have safeties and linebackers for those situations.
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I'm from Waco,Texas and I have followed Ahmad since he was in high school at Midway (which has become a pipeline Baylor). He seems like a smart kid, natural leader, humble... basically all the character traits you need to be on this team. He isn't the best in coverage but honestly I don't think Phil B worked with him on his coverage a lot at Baylor. If Ed works with Ahmad he can be solid in coverage. Most importantly he bring an attitude and swagger to the back end that will mesh well with the reserved Reid. I'd still perfer for him to sit a year and bring Whittner back for a year or two.

I agree. In the perfect world, Whitner gets re-signed and the guy the 49ers bring in contributes sparingly here and there and on special teams while developing as a player. If the 49ers could bring Whitner back for about 2-3 years, that'd be perfect.
I love it. I really like Dixon and I'd be more than fine with Bucannon also, flip a coin there. The only thing is if they re-sign Boldin (which I think they will) I'd rather trade that extra 3rd (Herron) for a pick next year maybe. I want to see Patton get a few targets a game next season. I'm sure YOU agree Phoenix? I think you were right about him.
Originally posted by btthepunk:
I love it. I really like Dixon and I'd be more than fine with Bucannon also, flip a coin there. The only thing is if they re-sign Boldin (which I think they will) I'd rather trade that extra 3rd (Herron) for a pick next year maybe. I want to see Patton get a few targets a game next season. I'm sure YOU agree Phoenix? I think you were right about him.

Even with that, I still think you need a deep threat at WR. That's the one thing I see lacking from this offense. They don't have the vertical threat, a bunch of possession guys and VD and we saw what happens when VD goes out, teams completely stop giving a crap about defending deep and just bring everybody creeping in even further and the whole offense stars to sputter. They need a guy that if you let him get a step on you, he's taking it to the house potentially.
Love this Mock.. I really think Robert Herron can have a T.Y Hilton type of impact..

Only thing is that I don't like Ahmad Dixon as much as everyone else on the board.. I recall one play, a goal line play none the less where he was completely taken out of the play because he was turned around pumping up the crowd as the ball was snapped.. He also gets penalties and I just don't think he has a team first football mind..

Athletic player with potential, but second round is too high for me and I don't think he is the right guy to come in and start right away on a SB contending team (if Whitner leaves)
[ Edited by Cooper22 on Jan 24, 2014 at 7:13 PM ]
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I have a lot of respect and appreciation for your insight and opinions Phoenix, but I would be disappointed if this was the outcome of our draft. And here's why:

Trent Baalke nails his trades up during the 1st and 2nd rounds.
- Traded up for Anthony Davis, solid player.
- Traded up for Colin Kaepnerick, solid player.
- Traded up for Eric Reid, solid player.

Now when it comes to Baalke's track record for holding still in the 1st and 2nd rounds...
- A.J. Jenkins (Bust)
- LaMichael James (Bust - only ST contributions)
- Taylor Mays (Bust)

I'm not saying your picks in those rounds will end up as busts. But we may have gaping holes at CB, WR, S, and C, along with injuries at LG and ILB.

Assuming we do resign Whitner (as you indicated as a possibility in your mock), there's no reason to burn a 2nd round pick on a backup S. Plus, I have a feeling that Craig Dahl will restructure to remain with the team, further reducing the need.

Admittingly, I'm biased for Dennard or Gilbert. I think they'd be instant fits on our defense - just like Eric Reid at safety. And at least for Gilbert, the trade up wouldn't be that pricy (Cowboys trade last year). You even had him in your mock around Thanksgiving.

For the Herron pick, I like the pick but can easily see him being wasted on the bench because he isn't a Harbaugh receiver. And with TJE, Williams, Dial, and Dorsey able to line up at NT, I don't think we need to draft a NT. We also have Purcell on the PS.

Let me tell you what I do like about your draft, because I genuinely love these picks:

- Moncrief is going to be a stud, and a great understudy to Crabtree and Boldin. Love the pick.

- Breeland. Pair him with Gilbert, Brock, and Culliver, and our dime package if f'in dangerous. Great pick, and very Baalke-esque (forward thinking)

- Larsen. Need pick right there. Good fit with our scheme. Pushes Kilgore for the starting C gig, allowing Looney to focus at LG.

- Barrow. Last 3rd round ILB we took was Bowman. Great fit - good value, good talent. Could start immediately.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Exception to what? I still don't get it. The Bills brought in an undrafted 5'7" Nickell Robey who was a beast for them in the slot. I don't envision Joyner playing on the outside, I envision him playing in the slot, so why is his height an issue then?

Like I said, Rogers is 6'2", did his long arms and length help deflect that pass that went to Kearse into the endzone on 4th down? I think quickness, footwork and overall speed are more important that length in the slot. How many times did Rogers struggle with guys like Cruz and others?


Football skills>>>>Height. Joyner has an immense skillset to be a true impact player on defense, a guy who teams will have to account for, who change an entire game with his skills. If you have a shot at someone like that, it is certainly worth taking. Knowing what they know now, do you think Mathieu still lasts to the 3rd round in a re-draft?

Carlos Rogers is NOT 6'2" and does not have long arms. If he had then he would've patted down that pass to Kearse. I wish Rogers was 6'2" on that play.
Anyways, nice mock.
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Carlos Rogers is NOT 6'2" and does not have long arms. If he had then he would've patted down that pass to Kearse. I wish Rogers was 6'2" on that play.
Anyways, nice mock.

I'm sorry, basically 6'1" with arms slightly shorter than Richard Sherman's. The point was the guy runs with heavy feet, he's often falling behind a couple of steps and then trying to recover, on that play he had decent coverage even but overall he's had a lot of up and down moments.
Originally posted by GEEK:
I have a lot of respect and appreciation for your insight and opinions Phoenix, but I would be disappointed if this was the outcome of our draft. And here's why:

Trent Baalke nails his trades up during the 1st and 2nd rounds.
- Traded up for Anthony Davis, solid player.
- Traded up for Colin Kaepnerick, solid player.
- Traded up for Eric Reid, solid player.

Now when it comes to Baalke's track record for holding still in the 1st and 2nd rounds...
- A.J. Jenkins (Bust)
- LaMichael James (Bust - only ST contributions)
- Taylor Mays (Bust)

I'm not saying your picks in those rounds will end up as busts. But we may have gaping holes at CB, WR, S, and C, along with injuries at LG and ILB.

Assuming we do resign Whitner (as you indicated as a possibility in your mock), there's no reason to burn a 2nd round pick on a backup S. Plus, I have a feeling that Craig Dahl will restructure to remain with the team, further reducing the need.

Admittingly, I'm biased for Dennard or Gilbert. I think they'd be instant fits on our defense - just like Eric Reid at safety. And at least for Gilbert, the trade up wouldn't be that pricy (Cowboys trade last year). You even had him in your mock around Thanksgiving.

For the Herron pick, I like the pick but can easily see him being wasted on the bench because he isn't a Harbaugh receiver. And with TJE, Williams, Dial, and Dorsey able to line up at NT, I don't think we need to draft a NT. We also have Purcell on the PS.

Let me tell you what I do like about your draft, because I genuinely love these picks:

- Moncrief is going to be a stud, and a great understudy to Crabtree and Boldin. Love the pick.

- Breeland. Pair him with Gilbert, Brock, and Culliver, and our dime package if f'in dangerous. Great pick, and very Baalke-esque (forward thinking)

- Larsen. Need pick right there. Good fit with our scheme. Pushes Kilgore for the starting C gig, allowing Looney to focus at LG.

- Barrow. Last 3rd round ILB we took was Bowman. Great fit - good value, good talent. Could start immediately.


I think counting on Dahl as anything but a special teams performer is a mistake. After witnessing the secondary going into the tank anytime he stepped in basically. Seeing him in the secondary is like the harbinger of doom, even worse than seeing Chilo Rachal in the lineup at guard. I'd seriously rather have Joyner TODAY stepping in as a free safety than I would Dahl. Even if Whitner sticks around, I wouldn't see it being for the long-term. Whitner will be 29 years old at the start of the next season.

I see as a 2 year deal as ideal, giving a guy like Dixon time to develop behind him. Other than Clinton-Dix, there is no single safety in this draft that I trust to come in and be a starter off the bat the way Reid did this year, so I really do hope Whitner re-signs short term and they bring on someone to work in behind him.





I like both Dennard and Gilbert a lot, neither will be around for the 49ers. There's a ton of cornerbacks in this draft, just not that much at the top. As far as trading up, just because Baalke ripped off the Cowboys last season on that trade up doesn't mean it happens again in a deeper draft. That same jump could cost the 2nd rounder that it should have cost last draft. Behind those guys, I see Verrett, Joyner and Roberson as the next best fits at cornerback. If Joyner was about 5'11", 6'0", he'd be ranked pretty much in front of everyone IMO, so I went with Joyner.

I think people are looking merely at his height and not that he's an insane level of playmaker that will make his impact known on the field everytime he's out there. He covers as well as anyone in the draft and hits like as hard as some of the linebackers, so I'd say he's a good fit in SF.



"Now when it comes to Baalke's track record for holding still in the 1st and 2nd rounds.."


There's also Iupati and Aldon Smith. I think its way too soon for anyone to make generalities on what he does, like the popular canard of "Baalke can't draft WR's", given that the 49ers have essentially drafted 3 in his tenure, in total. There's teams that draft 1 or 2 every year. Baltimore, like I pointed out in another thread, has drafted receivers in the past 10 or 11 drafts and missed in about 9 of them. Drafting is an inexact science, you'll miss more than you hit, its just inevitable and people really need to let the AJ Jenkins thing go.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Jan 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM ]