Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Not a bad point, but you have to consider that by far our best CB (Brock) is also our smallest. But I do agree with a minimum height. While my point was that 6'3" CBs will get over drafted, I don't belive in drafting anyone under 5'10"/5'11". There are exceptions, of course, but it's a rule I belive in. Learned from Ty Hill
This of course makes no sense at all. On one hand, its wrong to judge CB's because they are tall but its perfectly acceptable to judge one under 5'10", which is absolute nonsense.
Think there is a team in the NFL that wouldn't take Earl Thomas or Tyrann Mathieu right about now? LaMarcus Joyner looks like an absolute stud and playmaker, by your logic, he shouldn't be drafted because those two inches of height are absolutely insurmountable.
I don't know what it is, but any time I make any statement, you seem to try and rip it apart. Not just disagree, but rip it apart as illogical. Slow down, and re-read it. I said that there are, of course, exceptions. What doesn't "make sense at all" to you, doesn't make sense to me. The media is over-hyping many long, tall corners, whose skills may not justify the hype they're getting. From the reports at the Senior bowl, it sounds like Desir may be another one of those guys. Stanley Jean Baptiste, is another guy who may be a good player, but I'm afraid could get over-drafted, due to unfair expectations that he could turn into the next Sherman. This doesn't mean I don't like tall corners, and in fact, I always prefer size in this game, but currently, due to Seattle's success, I think the stock for these players is over-inflated. That was the first point. The second point, is that having said all that, there is a minimum size requirement as a rule of thumb. Doesn't mean you don't ever make exceptions, but that player has to be an outrageous athlete for you to do so (Mathieu being such a case). Which part don't you agree with? That corners have to have a minimum height? Want to get a 5'3" to cover AJ Green?
I have not yet watched Joyner, but yes, his height does worry me. As I'm certain it does for 32 teams around the league. That's why there are weigh-ins and measurements. Teams care about height because it is a predictor of success. If I go back and carefully watch his tape (which I will as best I can), and his athleticism jumps out, then I won't be against drafting him. But would probably do it at a later point, than if he was taller. With the draft, it's not "would definitely draft" and "would never draft." It's all about where would you draft them. I'm not an Allen Robinson or Odell Beckham Jr. fan. That doesn't mean I wouldn't draft either in the 3rd or 4th, or ever. Just means that I don't think they're as good as their perceived draft positions. Benjamin scares me as a first round pick. If he's still around in the mid/late second? It's a no-brainer.
So to recap. Stock on 6'2" + corners is too high in my opinion, but stock on corners <5'10" is heavily weighted down, as it should be, in my opinion.
So perhaps, some reading comprehension would help you make some sense of this, and not look at it as if it "of course makes no sense at all"