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So many picks

People will want us to trade up for Watkins, Lee or Benjamin. With our picks we need to trade them for veterans. The Rams traded for Faulk with two second round picks (lol nice). We traded for Boldin this year. Plenty of vets will be available for trade I suspect teams like the Bucs with McCoy the Lions with Suh will listen to offers for players in their last year of contracts. The price it takes to move up for a vet wide receiver we could really get a player like Gordon. He comes so cheap compared to draft picks for salary. The Browns will likely consider him for a first round pick given his risk of suspension. Vets for picks is a win usually.
We will see this off-season
Can't take on veteran salaries when they have too many of their own FA to sign.
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Can't take on veteran salaries when they have too many of their own FA to sign.


Depends. Gordon's salary is very reasonable and teams have leverage given that he has three years before freeagency and hid behavior. Big contracts won't be given to our FAs this year. Maybe Bolden gets over 5 mill a year by us.
So it's a Josh Gordon thread in disguise?

I like the ideal of trading picks for vets, but with the team we have, I'd rather use our picks to move up and draft talented rookies who are ready to contribute as well as continuing to get players that fall because of injury or some other reason. It would be a great way to ensure we continue to reload. This strategy has us potentially having three first round talent rookies in 2014 (Marcus Lattimore, Tank Carradine, and whoever we actually draft with our first round pick in 2014).

One veteran I would consider trading for is Johnathan Martin. Decent tackle who could backup both Joe Staley and Anthony Davis and we could possibly get him with one of those 7th rounders which would be GREAT value. I don't know how the Dolphins intend to handle this situation, but it's only a matter of time before Martin no longer plays for Miami. The 49ers are also the one team where Martin could come in and have a fresh start.
No it's a trade your picks for veterans not just draft picks thread. Problem is that none of the hurt players we drafted have played yet. we don't know a thing about them. Agree with Martin trade. He is better than any back up lineman we have. There is plenty of young good talent that we can trade for now in the NFL and upgrade our roster. To many times teams package draft picks to move up and it costs to much value. Get a player that can play in the NFL instead of guessing.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
No it's a trade your picks for veterans not just draft picks thread. Problem is that none of the hurt players we drafted have played yet. we don't know a thing about them. Agree with Martin trade. He is better than any back up lineman we have. There is plenty of young good talent that we can trade for now in the NFL and upgrade our roster. To many times teams package draft picks to move up and it costs to much value. Get a player that can play in the NFL instead of guessing.

You are right about getting proven players. In terms of Gordon, I would love to have him, but there's a reason he is probably available. That potential one year suspension over the next failed drug test hangs over him, doesn't it? The threat of it certainly didn't stop Brandon Browner. I think we'll be fine if we get a true speedster in the 2014 draft. Same added element to our roster with no threat of suspension. It would be wise to use our lower picks to get teams who may have worn out their welcome with their original team for whatever reason AND they are still on their rookie contract. But who fits that description at the moment?
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Can't take on veteran salaries when they have too many of their own FA to sign.


Depends. Gordon's salary is very reasonable and teams have leverage given that he has three years before freeagency and hid behavior. Big contracts won't be given to our FAs this year. Maybe Bolden gets over 5 mill a year by us.

If the Browns wouldn't trade Gordon early this year, he is not going to be traded, especially after the huge numbers he put up after the trade deadline. The Browns aren't going to let him go. They need Gordon to help their new QB, whomever that may be.
Yes, stop the Gordon talk. He is untouchable now. Need to move on.
Yes, trade up for Watkins
Giving away a high-round pick AND accepting a relatively big cap hit is not gonna happen, imo. Unless we find a cheaper Crabtree, Boldin or Brown.
Oh look, yet another trade for Josh Gordon trade.
Are you Dan Snyder from the Redskins? Trading draft multiple draft picks for vets is what kills franchises. For every 1 successful trade for a vet, there are 10 failed ones.
[ Edited by kronik on Dec 22, 2013 at 10:37 PM ]
Baalke has been extremely consistent with his multiple extra picks on draft day.Here's what will happen.

1) Baalke will trade up. He does it every year
2) Baalke will trade out for upgraded future picks

Hopefully he will also
3) Consolidate lower picks and move up, IE multiple 5, 6, 7 for a 3rd or4th
4) Do what you suggest and target reasonably priced veterans who can contribute now
Originally posted by kronik:
Are you Dan Snyder from the Redskins? Trading draft multiple draft picks for vets is what kills franchises. For every 1 successful trade for a vet, there are 10 failed ones.


Ok here are my successful vets for pick trades. These were the only ones I could think of personally.

1) Marshawn Lynch 4th round pick Bills to Seattle.
2) Anquan Bolden 6th round pick Ravens to us.
3) Matt Schaub two second round picks and change in draft order Falcons to Texans.
4) Alex Smith two second round draft picks to chiefs from us.
5) Marshal Faulk two second round draft choices Indy to Rams.
6) John Abraham first round choice.
7) Jerome Bettis and a third round choice Rams to Steelers for a second round choice and fourth round choice the following year.
8) Richard Seymour first round choice to raiders from Pats.
9) Terrell Owens Niners for Brandon Whiting and a 5th round pick Philly.
10) Randy Moss Raiders to the Pats for a fourth round choice.
11) Sean Gilbert Rams to Redskins first round choice. (Carolina then traded for him but he did not play at a probowl level).
12) Joe Montana first round pick to Chiefs
13) Steve Young 2nd and fourth round picks.
14) Tony Casillas Falcons 2nd and 8th round choice Falcons to Cowboys.
15) Charles Hailey Niners to Cowboys 2nd round pick.
16) Fred Dean Chargers to Niners for a 2nd round pick and swap of first round picks.
17) Brandon Marshall traded twice for second round picks from Denver to Miami and 3rd round pick and future pick this year.

So let's see you only have to come up with 170 bad trades as you mention above to prove me wrong. Hey I will make it easy for you just come up with twice as many. May want to start with the Herschel Walker, Gilbert to Carolina he did not play at a probowl level, Pat Swilling Saints for Willie Roaf Lions or the Carson Palmer trade.

Final points:
1. The two greatest head coaches and talent evaluators both did it: Walsh (Dean) and Jimmy Johnson (Haley).
2. Haley and Dean basically created a dynasty for the Cowboys and Niners.
3. As for Snyder, what killed that franchise was being stupid enough to trade three first round picks and a second round pick to move up for a QB. That hurt his franchise way more than trading those picks for players. In fact, he would have received far more talent had he traded for vets with those picks.