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  • buck
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What we do in free agency and extending our current players will in good part shape what we do in the draft.

I would have to say that as of today what we need in the draft is not set in stone.
Originally posted by buck:
What we do in free agency and extending our current players will in good part shape what we do in the draft.

I would have to say that as of today what we need in the draft is not set in stone.

boooooooorrrriinnng answer!
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Ian Williams was doing just fine until he was cut block by the Seahawks and Dorsey has been pretty good since he took over. A pure NT maybe a luxury, not a necessity in the Niners defense. I agree with the rest of the needs you laid out, with only one addition. Niners need another SAK player (FB/TE/H-Back) to add to our offense. It could also be a RB/WR hybrid like D'Anthony Thomas or Dri Archer to add some speed out of the backfield or the slot.

The thing that I find funny about those examples is that they are twigs compared to James -- Thomas is 5'9" 175 and Archer is 5'8" 175 --20 pounds lighter and same height, I would rather we commit James to a lot of pass catching and route running drills but were 1.5 seasons into his career so I doubt it happens. Their size is not exactly a trustworthy size for a combo player. Thomas is most desirable because he has the most experience as a pass catcher IMO and I think we could get him up near the mid 180s in weight but still.

I wish we could find a legit H-Back 6'0"+ and 210 or 220 with WR speed. Damn Walker for being so versatile lol.

Thing is that Walker was a 6-0 240-245ish and ran a 4.46 -- to find someone like that, we're probably talking about either a small-school project, or a position change project from somewhere.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Thing is that Walker was a 6-0 240-245ish and ran a 4.46 -- to find someone like that, we're probably talking about either a small-school project, or a position change project from somewhere.

I know right. ESPN has him at 248 -- just like him it'll have to be a diamond in the rough for us to land someone as dynamic as him
The 49ers are very fortunate to have relatively minor needs all around. Some in my eyes:

More Immediate needs
- Deep threat wideout to complement existing group. Oddly enough, I think they may want to reduce the cap value on its WR group by dumping either Boldin or Manningham.
- CB to replace Carlos Rodgers
- Another safety for depth and/or insurance on the existing guys. We don't want Dahl out there any longer than is necessary.
- Center

Nice to Haves
- Backup to Kaepernick to bring along.
- Depth along the defensive line.
- TE project to fill the Delanie role.
- Another return specialist.

CB seems pretty deep this draft, so I'm wondering if the 49ers are a candidate to do what they did last year and swing a deal to move up and grab the CB of its choice in round 1. Honestly I think they need someone to matchup against the speedier WR's of the Seahawks in Harvin and Tate.

About going WR early, consider that next season Patton and MacDonald will be one more year into their pro careers in addition to Crabtree being fully healthy.
[ Edited by bzborow1 on Nov 29, 2013 at 1:17 PM ]
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Ian Williams was doing just fine until he was cut block by the Seahawks and Dorsey has been pretty good since he took over. A pure NT maybe a luxury, not a necessity in the Niners defense. I agree with the rest of the needs you laid out, with only one addition. Niners need another SAK player (FB/TE/H-Back) to add to our offense. It could also be a RB/WR hybrid like D'Anthony Thomas or Dri Archer to add some speed out of the backfield or the slot.

The thing that I find funny about those examples is that they are twigs compared to James -- Thomas is 5'9" 175 and Archer is 5'8" 175 --20 pounds lighter and same height, I would rather we commit James to a lot of pass catching and route running drills but were 1.5 seasons into his career so I doubt it happens. Their size is not exactly a trustworthy size for a combo player. Thomas is most desirable because he has the most experience as a pass catcher IMO and I think we could get him up near the mid 180s in weight but still.

I wish we could find a legit H-Back 6'0"+ and 210 or 220 with WR speed. Damn Walker for being so versatile lol.

Like I said, it's an either or situation. I would prefer the first option over the smaller, quicker guys, but I don't get to make that call. It all depends on who is running our offense next year and who the front office can get.
Seems like Roman favors guys that can hang in there and pick up blitzers, as well. Gore is a phenom at that, but that's going to be the challenge with some of the smaller guys.
Originally posted by bzborow1:
The 49ers are very fortunate to have relatively minor needs all around. Some in my eyes:

More Immediate needs
- Deep threat wideout to complement existing group. Oddly enough, I think they may want to reduce the cap value on its WR group by dumping either Boldin or Manningham.
- CB to replace Carlos Rodgers
- Another safety for depth and/or insurance on the existing guys. We don't want Dahl out there any longer than is necessary.
- Center

Nice to Haves
- Backup to Kaepernick to bring along.
- Depth along the defensive line.
- TE project to fill the Delanie role.
- Another return specialist.

CB seems pretty deep this draft, so I'm wondering if the 49ers are a candidate to do what they did last year and swing a deal to move up and grab the CB of its choice in round 1. Honestly I think they need someone to matchup against the speedier WR's of the Seahawks in Harvin and Tate.

About going WR early, consider that next season Patton and MacDonald will be one more year into their pro careers in addition to Crabtree being fully healthy.

So a backup to Kaepernick is just "nice to have"? Seriously?

I don't think so. Colt isn't it IMO, and you don't put your third stringer on the practice squad if he has half a chance of making it, this late in the season.

We need two quarterbacks in the draft. One earlyish, say between rounds 2 and 4 depending on the talent and value, and one later, 5-7.
My CB list:

CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu
CB Lamarcus Joyner
CB Justin Gilbert
CB Jason Verrett
CB Darqueze Dennard
DL and WR are priorities to me. (and this is if we resign boldin)

S and CB are secondary needs (no pun intended)

OG and C are next level needs.
I just want guys that are not coming off a college injury; won't change positions; and are not projects. They have to make an impact now, we cannot have another 2012 draft class (if that's what we want to call it).
Originally posted by bzborow1:
The 49ers are very fortunate to have relatively minor needs all around. Some in my eyes:

More Immediate needs
- Deep threat wideout to complement existing group. Oddly enough, I think they may want to reduce the cap value on its WR group by dumping either Boldin or Manningham.
- CB to replace Carlos Rodgers
- Another safety for depth and/or insurance on the existing guys. We don't want Dahl out there any longer than is necessary.
- Center

Nice to Haves
- Backup to Kaepernick to bring along.
- Depth along the defensive line.
- TE project to fill the Delanie role.
- Another return specialist.

CB seems pretty deep this draft, so I'm wondering if the 49ers are a candidate to do what they did last year and swing a deal to move up and grab the CB of its choice in round 1. Honestly I think they need someone to matchup against the speedier WR's of the Seahawks in Harvin and Tate.

About going WR early, consider that next season Patton and MacDonald will be one more year into their pro careers in addition to Crabtree being fully healthy.

I think a backup is a must-have. I also think we need a legitimate veteran presence to show CK the things he's missing. Alex's smarts were a tremendous asset to CK that I think were severely undervalued.

I agree that at best we'll only keep one of the two between Manningham and Boldin. If you think about it, the obvious top choice would be Anquan because he's been healthy and provides an element that no other player on the team currently has. Can't say that for Manningham. He's been hurt, and we have a youngster waiting in the wings who is expected to play his same role.
Must haves:
WR - No brainer. I'd like to add a burner, a deep threat in a roster full of slow possession receivers.
CB - Possibly losing two starters in Tarrell Brown and Carlos Rogers. Expect Baalke to add depth and also a potential starter in this area.

Significant needs:
S - Whether Whitner stays or (likely) goes, we need more depth at this position. Dahl is awful.
Back up QB behind Kap - Not confident in McCoy and I don't think the coaches are either (for good reason).
DL

Others:
C
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I think a backup is a must-have. I also think we need a legitimate veteran presence to show CK the things he's missing. Alex's smarts were a tremendous asset to CK that I think were severely undervalued.

I agree that at best we'll only keep one of the two between Manningham and Boldin. If you think about it, the obvious top choice would be Anquan because he's been healthy and provides an element that no other player on the team currently has. Can't say that for Manningham. He's been hurt, and we have a youngster waiting in the wings who is expected to play his same role.

I think Kap is missing that veteran QB presence to help guide him through his growing pains as well. Last year, I remember Harbaugh saying that Alex was coaching Kap and was in his ear more than even he was. Kap is missing that this year. So I am hoping that they find a wise vet QB to sort of help Kap and give him much needed advice/pointers at practice or on the sidelines.
Originally posted by Harbaalke:
My CB list:

CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu
CB Lamarcus Joyner
CB Justin Gilbert
CB Jason Verrett
CB Darqueze Dennard

I like Gilbert and Dennard on that list just from a size perspective. Be interesting to see in what order this group gets drafted.