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OTC's Quick-Pick Mock Premiere 11/23/13

Alright folks. This is going to be quick. Won't have time for the normal write-ups until closer to the draft, so bear with me on this one. Here we go....

1. Marquise Lee-WR-USC, 6-0 195 4.49*
While I'd love to land Watkins, I don't see us giving up what would be needed to snag him. Lee reminds me a little bit of Torry Holt. Although Holt may have been faster. Lee is more quick than fast, although he does have good speed. Simply put, we cannot have the situation we have right now if a receiver goes down. We need guys that can step in an contribute.

2. Justin Gilbert-CB-Oklahoma State, 6-0 200 4.52
Ballhawk. Fearless tackler. Great return man. Versatile. Playmaker. Would not be surprised if a team selected him in the first if he has a great combine.

2. Ed Stinson-DE-Alabama, 6-3 292 4.87
McDonald has struggled with injuries at times and Justin is running out of time. Stinson has a very balanced skill set and can create havoc in both disrupting the run and the pass. Knows the 3-4 as well coming from Saban's consistently dominant Alabama defense.

3. Ahmad Dixon-SS-Baylor, 6-0 205 4.55
Still just cracking his potential, and we know how Baalke love's high potential guys. Dixon fits the Whitner mold of a destroyer in the secondary.

3. Tyler Larsen-C-Utah State, 6-3 312 5.17
Durable, incredibly smart, and athletic. Fits our scheme well. Could play all three interior positions, but primarily compete at center.

3. Josh Mauro-DE-Stanford, 6-6 282 4.98
We love long-armed players. Mauro is one of those, and is a great run stuffer who has a knack for making plays at the line. Would likely replace Dobbs.

4. Chris Burnette-OG-Georgia, 6-2 315 5.23
Again, with Iupati having battled injuries and Snyder and Goodwin possible contract departures (on top of our struggles along the OL), we must continue to bolster the trenches.

5. Daniel McCullers-NT-Tennessee, 6-6 351 5.18
No doubt, McCullers is a big, strong kid. But he will be a one-trick pony who is a role player only. He has the power to be a run-stuffing specialist, but that's about it. Hard for teams to want to draft a guy like this before the 4th round unless they've shown something extra. McCullers may not make it here, but it's hard to imagine him going any higher than the late 3rd at best.

6. Keon Lyn-CB-Syracuse, 6-1 201 4.46 +
Big, physical corner with great closing speed. Falls due to an injury. Good tackler, and was regarded as the best cover corner on the team. Low risk, high reward here.

7. Spencer Long-OG-Nebraska, 6-4 315 5.16 +
Another 49ers injury special. Take a chance on a potential big time performer who had a bad injury. Low risk, high reward again.

7. Allen Hurns-WR-Miami, 6-2 195 4.56
Productive. Deep threat. Very, very good blocker. One of the most underrated prospects right now in my opinion. Game speed much faster than timed speed, based on what I've witnessed. Has 800+ yards with 5 TDs in one of the major conferences.

7. Marcus Whitfield-OLB-Maryland, 6-2 255 4.78
Currently leads his team in sacks (8) and tackles for loss (13). Another pass-rushing prospect.

7. Garret Gilbert-QB-SMU, 6-3 228 4.78
This wouldn't be a 49ers draft without another project QB, would it?
Thanks for this.

I really appreciate the time you took to put in the measurables of height, weight and 40 time.
  • mayo49
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I like your Lee pick. I prefer him over Watkins. Keep up the good work.
Originally posted by mayo49:
I like your Lee pick. I prefer him over Watkins. Keep up the good work.

Personally, I think Watkins is the better player, but we'd have to give up too much for him. And the value we'd get if we can bolster other positions makes more sense. At the same time, we have too many picks to use them all. On this good of a team, I expect us to target all the top players we feel can contribute right away. I think primarily we need to focus on the following, in order:

1. WR
2. SS (If Whitner leaves)
3. DE
4. CB
5. Interior OL
6. NT
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Nov 23, 2013 at 12:43 PM ]
  • GEEK
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Hmm...Lyon, Long, Hurns...someone's been peaking at my mock

You went D-line overkill in this draft. I see Dial as a replacement for Dobbs, and Carradine as a replacement for TJE. And we have Ian Williams returning in 2014. There is no way we will take 3 DL within the first 5 rounds after last year's draft.

Lee, Gilbert, Dixon, and Larsen picks are spot on. Sub Mauro with another CB, and McCullers with another WR, and I think you can get a nice ratio of need vs. value.

And great minds think alike - i love the pipeline for 2015 with Lyon, Long, and Hurns.
[ Edited by GEEK on Nov 23, 2013 at 12:56 PM ]
I think we might draft a quarterback earlier, perhaps in rounds 3-5, if we don't pick up a better vet in free agency. We're going to need a better backup to Kap in case he gets hurt and also to push him. I think last year a factor into Kaps success may have been his desire to keep Alex on the bench. Competition brings out the best in everyone.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Alright folks. This is going to be quick. Won't have time for the normal write-ups until closer to the draft, so bear with me on this one. Here we go....

1. Marquise Lee-WR-USC, 6-0 195 4.49*
While I'd love to land Watkins, I don't see us giving up what would be needed to snag him. Lee reminds me a little bit of Torry Holt. Although Holt may have been faster. Lee is more quick than fast, although he does have good speed. Simply put, we cannot have the situation we have right now if a receiver goes down. We need guys that can step in an contribute.

2. Justin Gilbert-CB-Oklahoma State, 6-0 200 4.52
Ballhawk. Fearless tackler. Great return man. Versatile. Playmaker. Would not be surprised if a team selected him in the first if he has a great combine.

2. Ed Stinson-DE-Alabama, 6-3 292 4.87
McDonald has struggled with injuries at times and Justin is running out of time. Stinson has a very balanced skill set and can create havoc in both disrupting the run and the pass. Knows the 3-4 as well coming from Saban's consistently dominant Alabama defense.

3. Ahmad Dixon-SS-Baylor, 6-0 205 4.55
Still just cracking his potential, and we know how Baalke love's high potential guys. Dixon fits the Whitner mold of a destroyer in the secondary.

3. Tyler Larsen-C-Utah State, 6-3 312 5.17
Durable, incredibly smart, and athletic. Fits our scheme well. Could play all three interior positions, but primarily compete at center.

3. Josh Mauro-DE-Stanford, 6-6 282 4.98
We love long-armed players. Mauro is one of those, and is a great run stuffer who has a knack for making plays at the line. Would likely replace Dobbs.

4. Chris Burnette-OG-Georgia, 6-2 315 5.23
Again, with Iupati having battled injuries and Snyder and Goodwin possible contract departures (on top of our struggles along the OL), we must continue to bolster the trenches.

5. Daniel McCullers-NT-Tennessee, 6-6 351 5.18
No doubt, McCullers is a big, strong kid. But he will be a one-trick pony who is a role player only. He has the power to be a run-stuffing specialist, but that's about it. Hard for teams to want to draft a guy like this before the 4th round unless they've shown something extra. McCullers may not make it here, but it's hard to imagine him going any higher than the late 3rd at best.

6. Keon Lyn-CB-Syracuse, 6-1 201 4.46 +
Big, physical corner with great closing speed. Falls due to an injury. Good tackler, and was regarded as the best cover corner on the team. Low risk, high reward here.

7. Spencer Long-OG-Nebraska, 6-4 315 5.16 +
Another 49ers injury special. Take a chance on a potential big time performer who had a bad injury. Low risk, high reward again.

7. Allen Hurns-WR-Miami, 6-2 195 4.56
Productive. Deep threat. Very, very good blocker. One of the most underrated prospects right now in my opinion. Game speed much faster than timed speed, based on what I've witnessed. Has 800+ yards with 5 TDs in one of the major conferences.

7. Marcus Whitfield-OLB-Maryland, 6-2 255 4.78
Currently leads his team in sacks (8) and tackles for loss (13). Another pass-rushing prospect.

7. Garret Gilbert-QB-SMU, 6-3 228 4.78
This wouldn't be a 49ers draft without another project QB, would it?



Larsen, Spencer Long, and Whitfield ...........................can we be BFF's????



Very well done mock draft, I'd be quite pleased if things went down like this.
Originally posted by GEEK:
Hmm...Lyon, Long, Hurns...someone's been peaking at my mock

You went D-line overkill in this draft. I see Dial as a replacement for Dobbs, and Carradine as a replacement for TJE. And we have Ian Williams returning in 2014. There is no way we will take 3 DL within the first 5 rounds after last year's draft.

Lee, Gilbert, Dixon, and Larsen picks are spot on. Sub Mauro with another CB, and McCullers with another WR, and I think you can get a nice ratio of need vs. value.

And great minds think alike - i love the pipeline for 2015 with Lyon, Long, and Hurns.

I disagree with it being overkill. People keep talking about Dial like he's guaranteed to stick around, truthfully, nobody knows what he can do. McDonald is falling apart, literally, he's been injury ridden and there is no guarantee that he will remain healthy for the long term. Justin Smith is up there in years, who knows how many more he can play? As far as NT goes, Williams looked good in the preseason, solid in the regular season but who is to say that the 49ers can't find someone better in the draft? I think DL is incredibly important and the 49ers DL strength is largely a mirage right now, they're tip-toeing around on glass, without a lot of real depth. Neither Dobbs nor Jerod-Eddie appear to be long term solutions.


I would like to see one more quality DE added and another prospect at NT, a big body that can develop into a starter long term.
Nice mock OTC.
Too stoked if this happened. I would like to fed ex this draft to Baalke!!!
havent really seen Stinson play..will be watching Dixon tonight..love the 1st 2 picks..i agree would rather get Watkins but lee reminds me of a santonio holmes Pittsburgh days also maybe draft a back up qb earlier..any1 else intrigued with Stanley jean baptiste...?
My only question is whether or not Marquise Lee will actually be available at #24 and who would be the alternatives?

I think the Jets, Ravens, Cowboys, Giants, and Steelers also have a major need at WR so I think Lee will be long gone by that pick. Which of the following 2nd tier WR's would you take?

Allen Robinson Penn St
Odell Beckham Jr. LSU
Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt
Brandin Cooks Oregon St.
Jarvis Landry LSU
Brandon Coleman Rutgers
Donte Moncrief Ole Miss

Nice work on the overall mock. Like the Mauro pick the most. Guy plays in a rotation with the Cardinal, but is good enough on his own to be a base end for the Niners.
[ Edited by m_brockalexander on Nov 24, 2013 at 9:20 AM ]
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
My only question is whether or not Marquise Lee will actually be available at #24 and who would be the alternatives?

I think the Jets, Ravens, Cowboys, Giants, and Steelers also have a major need at WR so I think Lee will be long gone by that pick. Which of the following 2nd tier WR's would you take?

Allen Robinson Penn St
Odell Beckham Jr. LSU
Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt
Brandin Cooks Oregon St.
Jarvis Landry LSU
Brandon Coleman Rutgers
Donte Moncrief Ole Miss

Nice work on the overall mock. Like the Mauro pick the most. Guy plays in a rotation with the Cardinal, but is good enough on his own to be a base end for the Niners.

Matthews, Beckham or Moncrief.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
My only question is whether or not Marquise Lee will actually be available at #24 and who would be the alternatives?

I think the Jets, Ravens, Cowboys, Giants, and Steelers also have a major need at WR so I think Lee will be long gone by that pick. Which of the following 2nd tier WR's would you take?

Allen Robinson Penn St
Odell Beckham Jr. LSU
Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt
Brandin Cooks Oregon St.
Jarvis Landry LSU
Brandon Coleman Rutgers
Donte Moncrief Ole Miss

Nice work on the overall mock. Like the Mauro pick the most. Guy plays in a rotation with the Cardinal, but is good enough on his own to be a base end for the Niners.

Matthews, Beckham or Moncrief.


So i like all 3 matthews beckham N moncrief but after seeing beck is 6 footish N 187lbs is anyone worried about that?? I believe AJ was around tha same size ...
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
My only question is whether or not Marquise Lee will actually be available at #24 and who would be the alternatives?

I think the Jets, Ravens, Cowboys, Giants, and Steelers also have a major need at WR so I think Lee will be long gone by that pick. Which of the following 2nd tier WR's would you take?

Allen Robinson Penn St
Odell Beckham Jr. LSU
Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt
Brandin Cooks Oregon St.
Jarvis Landry LSU
Brandon Coleman Rutgers
Donte Moncrief Ole Miss

Nice work on the overall mock. Like the Mauro pick the most. Guy plays in a rotation with the Cardinal, but is good enough on his own to be a base end for the Niners.

You do know we have enough ammo to trade up for Lee if we wanted to right?

But to answer the question, my favorite 2nd tier WRs are: Beckham Jr, Cooks, and Landry.