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One speed WR, one size WR, your picks

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Because of his size? Thats the only thing that people can hold against him. Like i have mentioned before, durability is not an issue, and he plays way more physical that his size would suggest. He is actually a great blocker surprisingly, and never shy's from contact.

I'm not even going to go there, you already know how I feel.

I know. Bunch of Saunders haters up in the webzone. Thats alright, ill drive the bandwagon until you all get on board.
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
my dream choices are Sammy Watkins and Moncrief from Ole Miss....you get speed and speed and size and size.

True!
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Janis I like (mentioned him in WR sleepers thread), Saunders not a fan of.

Because of his size? Thats the only thing that people can hold against him. Like i have mentioned before, durability is not an issue, and he plays way more physical that his size would suggest. He is actually a great blocker surprisingly, and never shy's from contact.
Size, yes. I have a pocket full of quarters that way more than him. He reminds me of a smaller Kyle Williams. More quick than fast. He's not a great blocker. If you're comparing him to other 160 lbs people, than ok yeah you can say he's a good blocker. Plus Oklahoma's offense doesn't pump out the greatest WRs. The best have been Broyles (who probably is done as a football player) and Stills (having Drew Brees will make him look better than he is). OU's offense makes players look better than they are.
[ Edited by Travisty13 on Nov 14, 2013 at 9:35 PM ]
Wow, I haven't posted in a long time, and really surprised at the number of good replys, and number of different WRs. I'm thinking this draft has a lot of really good receivers, and I hope we spend 2 high draft picks on top wideout prospects. Even if we resign both Boldwin and Manningham, extend Crabs, and have Patton, and Baldwin, I'd want to see 2 high quality rookie receivers drafted.
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Janis I like (mentioned him in WR sleepers thread), Saunders not a fan of.

Because of his size? Thats the only thing that people can hold against him. Like i have mentioned before, durability is not an issue, and he plays way more physical that his size would suggest. He is actually a great blocker surprisingly, and never shy's from contact.
Size, yes. I have a pocket full of quarters that way more than him. He reminds me of a smaller Kyle Williams. More quick than fast. He's not a great blocker. If you're comparing him to other 160 lbs people, than ok yeah you can say he's a good blocker. Plus Oklahoma's offense doesn't pump out the greatest WRs. The best have been Broyles (who probably is done as a football player) and Stills (having Drew Brees will make him look better than he is). OU's offense makes players look better than they are.

You might have a point if his best season wasnt as a Fresno State Bulldog. He had 1065 yards on 50 receptions, a 21.3 average, and 12 TD's. If anything he has been underused in Oklahoma. BTW those numbers were in Pat Hills pro style offense, lining up on the outside, not in the slot. He has an insanely low drop rate, oh and BTW, he averaged 7.1 YAC, and Stills only 3.1 in the same offense.

Sadly, leaving Fresno State may have been a mistake for him. He left because he was going to be used as a slot WR under DeRuyter, but Oklahoma has essentially used him the same way DeRuyter would have, and had he stuck with Derek Carr, he likely would have put up even better numbers.

Has some pretty good blocks in this video and also a couple of broken tackles. One where he humiliates the S who should knock his head off. For his size he plays strong and physical. He is not KW. I think he is one of, if not the most underrated WR's coming out.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
You might have a point if his best season wasnt as a Fresno State Bulldog. He had 1065 yards on 50 receptions, a 21.3 average, and 12 TD's. If anything he has been underused in Oklahoma. BTW those numbers were in Pat Hills pro style offense, lining up on the outside, not in the slot. He has an insanely low drop rate, oh and BTW, he averaged 7.1 YAC, and Stills only 3.1 in the same offense.

Sadly, leaving Fresno State may have been a mistake for him. He left because he was going to be used as a slot WR under DeRuyter, but Oklahoma has essentially used him the same way DeRuyter would have, and had he stuck with Derek Carr, he likely would have put up even better numbers.

Has some pretty good blocks in this video and also a couple of broken tackles. One where he humiliates the S who should knock his head off. For his size he plays strong and physical. He is not KW. I think he is one of, if not the most underrated WR's coming out.




But he weighs the same as I did as a high school sophomore doe............
as far as a size receiver, will there ever be another reciever like 6-8 harold carmichael of the eagles---boy he was hard to defend....maybe niners should be looking at the ncaa hoop games for a guy with height athleticsm that might not have the skills to be a nba player
[ Edited by hofer36 on Nov 14, 2013 at 11:01 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
You might have a point if his best season wasnt as a Fresno State Bulldog. He had 1065 yards on 50 receptions, a 21.3 average, and 12 TD's. If anything he has been underused in Oklahoma. BTW those numbers were in Pat Hills pro style offense, lining up on the outside, not in the slot. He has an insanely low drop rate, oh and BTW, he averaged 7.1 YAC, and Stills only 3.1 in the same offense.

Sadly, leaving Fresno State may have been a mistake for him. He left because he was going to be used as a slot WR under DeRuyter, but Oklahoma has essentially used him the same way DeRuyter would have, and had he stuck with Derek Carr, he likely would have put up even better numbers.

Has some pretty good blocks in this video and also a couple of broken tackles. One where he humiliates the S who should knock his head off. For his size he plays strong and physical. He is not KW. I think he is one of, if not the most underrated WR's coming out.




But he weighs the same as I did as a high school sophomore doe............

But you couldnt play football like him doe, or i would be talking about Phoenix49ers in the WR draft thread. You'll come around. Dont worry.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
You might have a point if his best season wasnt as a Fresno State Bulldog. He had 1065 yards on 50 receptions, a 21.3 average, and 12 TD's. If anything he has been underused in Oklahoma. BTW those numbers were in Pat Hills pro style offense, lining up on the outside, not in the slot. He has an insanely low drop rate, oh and BTW, he averaged 7.1 YAC, and Stills only 3.1 in the same offense.

Sadly, leaving Fresno State may have been a mistake for him. He left because he was going to be used as a slot WR under DeRuyter, but Oklahoma has essentially used him the same way DeRuyter would have, and had he stuck with Derek Carr, he likely would have put up even better numbers.

Has some pretty good blocks in this video and also a couple of broken tackles. One where he humiliates the S who should knock his head off. For his size he plays strong and physical. He is not KW. I think he is one of, if not the most underrated WR's coming out.




But he weighs the same as I did as a high school sophomore doe............

But you couldnt play football like him doe, or i would be talking about Phoenix49ers in the WR draft thread. You'll come around. Dont worry.

So he beat up on WAC defenses for his best years. Got to OU's pass happy O and has put up worse #s versus bigger and faster defenders is what you're saying? Hmmm. And he's the size of an 8th grader? And he's not fast, just quick like Kyle Williams? I'm not sold. No thanks.
Size-Mike Evans
Speed-Dre Archer
Originally posted by Travisty13:
So he beat up on WAC defenses for his best years. Got to OU's pass happy O and has put up worse #s versus bigger and faster defenders is what you're saying? Hmmm. And he's the size of an 8th grader? And he's not fast, just quick like Kyle Williams? I'm not sold. No thanks.

Just admit you know nothing about him other than his size. Its ok i wont hold it against you. I have followed him his entire career. He has less drops than anyone on the team, has a higher YAC than anyone on the team, and has QB's no where near Carr's level throwing him the football. Maybe his numbers are suffering because he is being used in the slot in the short passing game more than he should have been? Look what happened against Texas Tech when Oklahoma decided to use him out wide more. 6 receptions, 153 yards, 2 TD's and a 25.5 average. Oklahoma has had a less than stable offense this season. Last season in 8 games played (ineligible early due to transfer) he had 62 receptions for 829 yards with Landry Jones throwing him the ball. He has also never missed a game due to injury.

In fact, look what this article states about him.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000269745/article/oklahomas-jalen-saunders-leads-top-receivers-in-week-9

Also here is an article about Oklahoma's struggles on offense this season.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/colleges/oklahoma/tag/_/name/jalen-saunders

This guy doesnt look slow to me.

And what do you know? Look what happens when they use him as a deep threat on the edge....




The comparisons to KW are seriously laughable. I can understand the size criticisms, i really can, but other than that, any knocks i hear on him have no basis in reality.
Originally posted by Atl49er:
I'd take Mike Evans bottom of the 1st and move up in the 2nd for Odell Beckham Jr......dude we'd be set for 10yrs!! Please Trent hear my cry!

I'd go with Mike Evans and Odell Beckham Jr, but I think we would have to move up to the middle of the first round to get Evans, and maybe the end of 1st or early 2nd to get Beckham. That would be a great haul, but we'd most likely have to move up for both picks.
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
my dream choices are Sammy Watkins and Moncrief from Ole Miss....you get speed and speed and size and size.

Watkins would look great in red and gold, though we would have to move up to about the 10th pick in round one. Moncrief should be there with one of our 3rd round picks. Jared Abbrederis of Wisconsin has less size but faster than Moncrief for a size/speed guy.
Originally posted by Travisty13:
1)Jordan Matthews, Vandy
2) Brandin Cooks, Oregon State

Jordan Matthews should be comming off the board about the time we pick in the first round, and Brandin Cooks is small, and sudden quick but not real fast, and could be there in the 3rd round also.
Its still early, but right now it looks like Watkins and Evans are the first two receivers off the board, between 10-15ish. With a down Junior year, Lee may still be on the board around picks 18-20ish. I'd love to rape Dallas again, I mean trade up with Dallas again, and steal Lee. (It would be dejavue of the 80s when Walsh moved up in front of Dallas to pluck Rice at #16, who was also the 3rd receiver selected that year.) I'm just thinking if Lee falls a bit in the draft, he maybe in reach for us, while Watkins and Evans look to come off the board too early for us to trade up for.

Kelvin Benjamin 6'5" from Flordia St may be hanging around in the 3rd Rd. if he enters the draft (redshirt soph). he is an interesting red zone target.

Lee speed
Benjamin size