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Darqueze Dennard-CB-Michigan State

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well it sounds like his stock is going wayyyy down, he might be there for us at 30! That would be a steal in my mind. That being said Baalke has never drafted a CB in the 1st and if we do move up in the draft it will most likely be for a WR....Hopefully Beckham or Evans

Baalke has been a GM only 4 years. That's not saying much.
[ Edited by Hopper on Apr 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM ]
Originally posted by Hopper:
Baalke has been a GM only 4 years. That's not saying much.

This. I hate how people keep drawing absolutes after such a short time frame. "Well Baalke doesn't do this", "Baalke doesn't do that"....etc....etc, the sample size is way too short to make very many determinations.
Originally posted by kronik:
I didn't know people actually respect McShay more than Mayock. This is the first time I've read that.

I don't know about most people, but I certainly have more respect for McShay than Mayock. Just my opinion.

McShay said Mack is better than Clowney. He's getting way too cute with this stuff.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
So both Mayock and McShay have Dennard as their #1 CB in the draft and somehow THEY are the outliers?

I never said they're the outliers. I know I'm in the minority on this one, but Dennard is no better than the 4th-best CB in this draft IMO. I think Dennard is severely overrated for the reasons I posted earlier.
[ Edited by VPofCarnage on Apr 13, 2014 at 5:32 PM ]
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he doesn't look like a top-50 athlete to me. with a high pick on a cb, that athleticism has to jump out at you. this guy doesn't.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Harbaalke:
between you and Mayock you guys have different perspectives

I have Dennard as my #1 guy because I see the technique, the footwork, everything is there combined with a superior work ethic, each year he's stepped up and played a little better, a little smarter, tougher. I'll take a guy who is average athletically but is more consistent and maintains his composure better over an athletic super-freak that is up and down and all over the place. If Dennard is there, I want to see him drafted, if not, then Verrett.

i'm with Phoenix on the Dennard wagon. Don't think he's #1, but definitely #2
i found this old video where eric mangini talks about how he played a major role in evaluating that 2007 draft and selecting darelle revis.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d82038096/Key-to-Revis-Island


after listening to the criteria they used to scout the potential prospects the first CB that came to my mind was darqueze dennard. i wonder if he'll fall in love with dennard and influence trent to move up and grab him. i am sure after his success of landing the best cornerback in the game he will have a strong voice in scouting the prospects and IMO dennard meets the criteria the best of all the top CB prospects in the draft.
[ Edited by sf_nicoya on Apr 24, 2014 at 10:11 PM ]
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Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well it sounds like his stock is going wayyyy down, he might be there for us at 30! That would be a steal in my mind. That being said Baalke has never drafted a CB in the 1st and if we do move up in the draft it will most likely be for a WR....Hopefully Beckham or Evans

Baalke has been a GM only 4 years. That's not saying much.

Well Baalke traded up and drafted Eric Reid in the 1st, whens the last time a 49er GM did that??

Re: NY and not you Hopper JFYI

One thing about Baalke's draft it seems like he's quick to take care of need in the 1st. So which ever positions is needed most be it WR or CB, I think he will go there, for those expecting Tuitt or Hagemen I wouldn't bank on it unless they fell to the 2nd.
Why is Dennard dropping so much? Guy was the #1 CB when football ended, and now he is not even invited to the green room. Most have him rated as the 4-5th corner. Seems like a great prospect for the 9ers at #30. Press man corner solid against the run, with a gold star attitude and work ethic.
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Why is Dennard dropping so much? Guy was the #1 CB when football ended, and now he is not even invited to the green room. Most have him rated as the 4-5th corner. Seems like a great prospect for the 9ers at #30. Press man corner solid against the run, with a gold star attitude and work ethic.

Analysts were back and forth between Dennard and Gilbert before the combine. I'm surprised how far he's dropped since then, but I think it has more to do with his size, arm length, and change of direction than his 40 time. He displayed poor hips in the drills at the combine which is a concern. It was well known that he was not the elite athlete Gilbert was and would not run an incredible 40, but his pro day numbers displayed more explosiveness than many thought he had which helped mitigate some of the damage to his stock.

He's a bit of a tweener and has some durability concerns. Teams aren't going to like his length as an outside corner or press corner even though he was effective there in college. He is also not a fluid enough athlete to play as a slot corner. It didn't help him that some of the other corners boosted their stock at the combine by running faster in the 40 and performing well in positional drills.
My first round CB ratings for the 49ers are Fuller, Roby, Dennard, Gilbert, Verrett. But I'd rather they not get Dennard because not only is he not an incredible athlete he's got short arms.
So you prefer athleticism over skill and technique? Dennard is a good sized, intelligent, smooth, physical CB who knows how to utilize the boundary to run with receivers and throw off their timing within routes. Not to mention he's a great tackler both open field and in run support I love everything this kid does. He is an ELITE competitor. Extremely tough and a vocal leader.


I actually prefer NOT to draft a CB who relies on their athleticism and draft one who relies more on technique. Darelle Revis and Richard Sherman dont rely on being elite athletes, but they rely on being elite students of their craft and know to utilize their skillset to compete. I see similarities with Dennard.
[ Edited by sf_nicoya on Apr 27, 2014 at 11:00 AM ]
In the first round I don't want to draft anything other than an elite athlete. If you want an elite athlete who has great technique be prepared to spend a top 10 or top 5 pick.
Oh, and Derrelle Revis is not an elite athlete? At his pro-day he measured 5'11 1/2" 204 lbs, jumped 38" and 10'5" broad jump and ran a 4.38. He is absolutely elite. The Jets tried to trade up to 10 to get him and the only reason he was still on the board there was because he had a hamstring for the combine and not every team was at his pro-day.
Revis doesn't rely on his athleticism tho - he relies on being physical, disrupting timing, footwork technique and route awareness. He had a solid season last year even without being fully recovered from that ACL tear.

I see the same strengths in DD and it's not like Dennard is some bum athlete 5'11, 200lbs and ran 4.5. I guess you wouldn't take Joe Haden either? Dennard is ideally a outside CB and projects to be a damn good one too. The big question is do the Niners want a inside guy like Verrett or a outside guy like Dennard?
[ Edited by sf_nicoya on Apr 27, 2014 at 11:08 AM ]