Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
You can't be serious. Maybe you would have a different opinion if you played college basketball, football or had friends that played. Basketball players seem to be the most delusional 1/2 the D3 and up guys think they are NBA bound, football is probably 1/4 or better. Unless it is an IVY league school or has IVY league academic standards there are guys on teams that do not belong in college, many athletes are in remedial classes, or in classes where next to no work is required. They can end up with some BS degree that is worthless if they graduate at all. Correct me if something has changed since I went to college 30+ years ago. Had a half dozen or so guys on my D3 team in college that couldn't do 6th grade math and probably read at that level also, they were there to keep playing football and nothing else.
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
You gotta be kidding man. Colleges don't compensate their athletes WTF!! Then what do you call scholarships and an opportunity to get in the NFL?? I mean if you let these kids start making money in college in any kind of way, your basically opening up a can of worms. For instance, schools will start throwing money at them in a twisted kind of way where a player will no longer choose a school that he wants to go to but where the money is at, then next thing you know you have the New York Yankees in college football. Cheesus a degree doesn't mean anything in college anymore, college football players are doing things not everyone can do, isn't honor enough or you need a $100 to go along with it.
If players don't like that they can't make money off of the player they are, then don't go to college plain and simple.
The big joke is the conflation of getting an education with the highly profitable business of selling college football to America on the backs of America's largest student-athlete slave labor force.
Nothing wrong with getting an education...I am all for it. But many of these student-athletes are simply not there to learn....they're there for as long as they have to be and then they are in the pros. It's a huge sham. Tthe NCAA basically runs the NFL's farm system and makes a ginormous profit from that particular peculiar institution.
How can you assume some players are in it just to get into the NFL, most of them have degrees and some declare but not because they were in it from the get go. Players agents and the NFL Draft committee advised them, if not those that are seniors usually stay and graduate. Sure there's a few bad apples in college but don't list them as the majority.
Yes, the NCAA does has something to do with players going to the NFL, but how can you not see its the right way. Its not like Basketball where they could come right outta High School, they're giving these players a chance to further their education. And these scholarships aren't cheap either between the $30-40,000 range. That's more than what some 7th round draft picks make on a signing bonus ( ok maybe they make a little more). But its frustrating how some college kids don't realize the opportunity they're getting, but no they want more, ridiculous.
Quite frankly, there are a lot of students in college who do not belong. Not because they are not good enough, but because they lack the focus, preparation, or discipline. Many have the grammatical skills of a primary school student or less. Admittedly, I came from the pool of those that struggled, but not because I lacked the intellectual ability. I struggled because I did not give a f**k about school at the time. I over came because I worked for it.
I have taught division one athletes. I have found some to be quite bright, while others struggled and washed out. Their struggles, though, were a result of a lack of preparation to attend college at the high school level where they are coddled and over-glorified for their athletic prowess, which, whether they know it or not, is fleeting. Their intellectual development lasts far longer. Some do not think this way. Part of it is their own fault, the other their parents or support systems that assure them that athletics is the way for them, the only
way for them, and the rest falls at the feet of a society that is so hungry for the next big thing that they will shower them with faux love and adoration that is until the next big thing comes down the pipe. This is not a new story. Thanks to digital media, Athletes, and many to their credit recognize this, have the ability to learn about how the system sucks them in and spits them right back out. I suspect this is why many want to get what they can, while they can, which is really what all of this is about. The problem is they believe they are entitled
to a great deal. But are they?
Sure, they make the universities they attend a great deal of capital, but so do all the other students--yep, I am talking about the lone science, history (FTW!), math, and "undeclared" majors who buy the gear of the university, eat at its facilities, attend the games, join the fraternities and sororities, pay the exuberant fees for labs, parking, and facilities. What about them? Do you pay them for attending and performing in the classroom? What about the professors? You say they are paid. I say look at how much they are paid in comparison to how much it cost them to acquire the education necessary to do the job; see how their classes grow, which means the quality of instruction drops, yet they are expected to maintain a high level of performance; that they have to pay to park on the very campus they teach at (what other job do you have to pay to park where you work?!?!?), and are expected to publish. The uninformed say a professor can never be fired because they receive tenure. Indeed, in our country, tenure is under assault. If people want to act against something, go after the lack of term limits in Congress--the same one that has a 13% approval rating. Tenure is not what people think it is. It affords protections, but that is for the ability to pursue knowledge without the fear of being fired in the process. Is it harder to be laid off? Yes, but it can still happen. My point is, do you pay the athletes more than these two groups? It is already difficult enough to get some athletes to take you seriously, but if you pay them, would they even bother trying? Though I am a political liberal, I don't believe in throwing money at problems to fix them. Besides, we are already paying them.
On average, I am willing to bet that most, not all, but most average athletes lives better or at the very least similar lives to average college students. Especially when it comes to Football, Basketball, and Baseball players. I am not saying some won't suffer, they do. But the good ones never do. When I hear the argument for pay to play it is angled for those who suffer, but face it this is not about them. It is about the Johnny "Footballs" of the world who have an incredible talent with an oddly shaped ball. It is about keeping them
out of trouble. b******t. It is about making it possible to offer large signing bonuses to these wunderkinds to come play ball for the old U. It has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with some sort of liberalization or unionization of college football. I am from the South sir, the reigning king of the college football world, they hate unions there. A pity. Since they would protect their right to employment in right-to-work states. They don't want unionization, they want more trophies for the old U! That is what this is about. That is why Spurrier opens his yap about it. That's why other coaches have talked about it because they can escape the nasty under-belly of big time college athletics, and openly pile truck loads of money to recruit dudes to play ball. It has nothing, zero, natta, to do with Joe Willie Third-Stringer, who is trying to make the team, and maybe, be a chemical engineer.
Do I think it is right that colleges and universities, but more importantly, the NCAA makes a s**t-ton off of these kids? No. But I also feel the same f**king way about the guy that works at Wal Mart, Costco, the student who discovers something in a lab on campus and therefore will have to cut the university in on it, the professor who works long hours to eek out a book that brings prestige to the university, but not always a bump in pay, the Cop who bags three more thugs today, but doesn't get a bonus, the firefighter who saves an extra life, the Doctor that finds a cure for Cancer, etc, etc. They are all compensated in their own way, but sometimes, it isn't as much as it should be.
The kids are compensated, but not to the level that they feel is right. Welcome to the capitalistic world. Remember, College is about preparing you for the world. Giving a stipend is a bandaid for a problem bigger than Johnny Football. If the players want real compensation, they should form a union. Good luck with that.
[ Edited by fropwns on Aug 7, 2013 at 10:32 AM ]