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***Johnny Manziel thread***

  • Kolohe
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Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
They don't own his signature. Its just against the rules to sell it. He can sign whatever he wants, for free.

The NCAA and its rules are a load of self serving BS. There is nothing amateur about a sport that makes people billions of dollars every year but compensates its players with basically nothing. When the NCAA gets worked up about athletes making some money, it's truly hilarious.

You gotta be kidding man. Colleges don't compensate their athletes WTF!! Then what do you call scholarships and an opportunity to get in the NFL?? I mean if you let these kids start making money in college in any kind of way, your basically opening up a can of worms. For instance, schools will start throwing money at them in a twisted kind of way where a player will no longer choose a school that he wants to go to but where the money is at, then next thing you know you have the New York Yankees in college football. Cheesus a degree doesn't mean anything in college anymore, college football players are doing things not everyone can do, isn't honor enough or you need a $100 to go along with it.

If players don't like that they can't make money off of the player they are, then don't go to college plain and simple.
Manziel is an idiot and is rapidly dumping his future into the toilet! One thing is evident, his maturity level, or lack thereof, is nowhere near what it needs to be if he's planning an early entry into the NFL next year. He has all the makings of a coulda been.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
You gotta be kidding man. Colleges don't compensate their athletes WTF!! Then what do you call scholarships and an opportunity to get in the NFL?? I mean if you let these kids start making money in college in any kind of way, your basically opening up a can of worms. For instance, schools will start throwing money at them in a twisted kind of way where a player will no longer choose a school that he wants to go to but where the money is at, then next thing you know you have the New York Yankees in college football. Cheesus a degree doesn't mean anything in college anymore, college football players are doing things not everyone can do, isn't honor enough or you need a $100 to go along with it.

If players don't like that they can't make money off of the player they are, then don't go to college plain and simple.

It'd be like working for a pharmaceutical company.
You bust your ass in a sate-of-the-art lab almost everyday for 4-5 years working on a drug that can make people happier.
Your manager makes 3-5 million dollars every year, and his assistants also make more than enough to get by.
The owner of the lab, and all of his golf buddies rake in tens of millions of dollars, and constantly make new rules and undergo investigations in order to keep all of it for themselves, yet they never set foot inside the lab, or do any of the actual work.
IF you're good enough at what you do, they'll pay for your crappy apartment, your crappy food, and 12-18 hours of training a week that might lead to a decent paying job sometime later in your life.
IF you're not great at what you do, they might only cover some of your food, and part of your crappy apartment. After your lab work is over you'll need to spend countless hours studying for your job training, this is also on partially paid for. Good luck finding time to sleep or have a social life!

You also work with dangerous chemicals every day, and one bad move could mean the end of your scientific career, and it could be the end of your free housing and food.
Let's say that at the end of your 4-5 year stint, you've done so well at your job that you're a household name, millions of people have followed your work since day 1 and are happier because of your work.
You even take home the nobel prize for science, but there's no million dollar grant for this one, just a shiny watch and a plaque to hang on your wall. Gifts from your millionaire employers.
Your face is all over TV, the internet, and your likeness is used to make your employers even more money.
But for all of your time, all of the hours you spent busting your ass to make millions of dollars for other people ...


... you don't walk away with a god damn cent.
Originally posted by JohnnyMo49:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
You gotta be kidding man. Colleges don't compensate their athletes WTF!! Then what do you call scholarships and an opportunity to get in the NFL?? I mean if you let these kids start making money in college in any kind of way, your basically opening up a can of worms. For instance, schools will start throwing money at them in a twisted kind of way where a player will no longer choose a school that he wants to go to but where the money is at, then next thing you know you have the New York Yankees in college football. Cheesus a degree doesn't mean anything in college anymore, college football players are doing things not everyone can do, isn't honor enough or you need a $100 to go along with it.

If players don't like that they can't make money off of the player they are, then don't go to college plain and simple.

It'd be like working for a pharmaceutical company.
You bust your ass in a sate-of-the-art lab almost everyday for 4-5 years working on a drug that can make people happier.
Your manager makes 3-5 million dollars every year, and his assistants also make more than enough to get by.
The owner of the lab, and all of his golf buddies rake in tens of millions of dollars, and constantly make new rules and undergo investigations in order to keep all of it for themselves, yet they never set foot inside the lab, or do any of the actual work.
IF you're good enough at what you do, they'll pay for your crappy apartment, your crappy food, and 12-18 hours of training a week that might lead to a decent paying job sometime later in your life.
IF you're not great at what you do, they might only cover some of your food, and part of your crappy apartment. After your lab work is over you'll need to spend countless hours studying for your job training, this is also on partially paid for. Good luck finding time to sleep or have a social life!

You also work with dangerous chemicals every day, and one bad move could mean the end of your scientific career, and it could be the end of your free housing and food.
Let's say that at the end of your 4-5 year stint, you've done so well at your job that you're a household name, millions of people have followed your work since day 1 and are happier because of your work.
You even take home the nobel prize for science, but there's no million dollar grant for this one, just a shiny watch and a plaque to hang on your wall. Gifts from your millionaire employers.
Your face is all over TV, the internet, and your likeness is used to make your employers even more money.
But for all of your time, all of the hours you spent busting your ass to make millions of dollars for other people ...


... you don't walk away with a god damn cent.

Even a lab b***h gets paid, even if it's a pittance.

I think another difference, though, is that college football is an audition period for people hoping to make pro-level riches. You put in your time just like every other guy who came before you. You put up with 3,4 years of what amounts to being exploited (which does suck)...but there are big potential rewards.
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Who here is naive enough to think big time college football players are not paid? You think the Reggie Bush scandal at USC was isolated?
Originally posted by BobS:
Who here is naive enough to think big time college football players are not paid? You think the Reggie Bush scandal at USC was isolated?

lol. well in theory
Originally posted by Kolohe:
You gotta be kidding man. Colleges don't compensate their athletes WTF!! Then what do you call scholarships and an opportunity to get in the NFL?? I mean if you let these kids start making money in college in any kind of way, your basically opening up a can of worms. For instance, schools will start throwing money at them in a twisted kind of way where a player will no longer choose a school that he wants to go to but where the money is at, then next thing you know you have the New York Yankees in college football. Cheesus a degree doesn't mean anything in college anymore, college football players are doing things not everyone can do, isn't honor enough or you need a $100 to go along with it.

If players don't like that they can't make money off of the player they are, then don't go to college plain and simple.

i agree totally. these students act like theyre gonna be there for like 10 years. most of the athletes bail after 2-3 years anyway.

although the ncaa could just set a cap for every school so there isnt this bidding like you said
[ Edited by DonnieDarko on Aug 6, 2013 at 2:28 PM ]
Originally posted by Kolohe:
You gotta be kidding man. Colleges don't compensate their athletes WTF!! Then what do you call scholarships and an opportunity to get in the NFL?? I mean if you let these kids start making money in college in any kind of way, your basically opening up a can of worms. For instance, schools will start throwing money at them in a twisted kind of way where a player will no longer choose a school that he wants to go to but where the money is at, then next thing you know you have the New York Yankees in college football. Cheesus a degree doesn't mean anything in college anymore, college football players are doing things not everyone can do, isn't honor enough or you need a $100 to go along with it.

If players don't like that they can't make money off of the player they are, then don't go to college plain and simple.

The big joke is the conflation of getting an education with the highly profitable business of selling college football to America on the backs of America's largest student-athlete slave labor force.

Nothing wrong with getting an education...I am all for it. But many of these student-athletes are simply not there to learn....they're there for as long as they have to be and then they are in the pros. It's a huge sham. Tthe NCAA basically runs the NFL's farm system and makes a ginormous profit from that particular peculiar institution.
Raiders.
You dummies are confusing what you think is right, with the rules. He broke the rules, he knew them. It doesn't matter if you agree or not. I don't either, to a point, but its still against the rules.
Big time college football teams pay there players one way or another. Basketball too. I know a few.

Its just that some college are better at keeping it a secret
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
You dummies are confusing what you think is right, with the rules. He broke the rules, he knew them. It doesn't matter if you agree or not. I don't either, to a point, but its still against the rules.





YEAH BOYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
[ Edited by fropwns on Aug 6, 2013 at 6:57 PM ]
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Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
You gotta be kidding man. Colleges don't compensate their athletes WTF!! Then what do you call scholarships and an opportunity to get in the NFL?? I mean if you let these kids start making money in college in any kind of way, your basically opening up a can of worms. For instance, schools will start throwing money at them in a twisted kind of way where a player will no longer choose a school that he wants to go to but where the money is at, then next thing you know you have the New York Yankees in college football. Cheesus a degree doesn't mean anything in college anymore, college football players are doing things not everyone can do, isn't honor enough or you need a $100 to go along with it.

If players don't like that they can't make money off of the player they are, then don't go to college plain and simple.

The big joke is the conflation of getting an education with the highly profitable business of selling college football to America on the backs of America's largest student-athlete slave labor force.

Nothing wrong with getting an education...I am all for it. But many of these student-athletes are simply not there to learn....they're there for as long as they have to be and then they are in the pros. It's a huge sham. Tthe NCAA basically runs the NFL's farm system and makes a ginormous profit from that particular peculiar institution.

How can you assume some players are in it just to get into the NFL, most of them have degrees and some declare but not because they were in it from the get go. Players agents and the NFL Draft committee advised them, if not those that are seniors usually stay and graduate. Sure there's a few bad apples in college but don't list them as the majority.

Yes, the NCAA does has something to do with players going to the NFL, but how can you not see its the right way. Its not like Basketball where they could come right outta High School, they're giving these players a chance to further their education. And these scholarships aren't cheap either between the $30-40,000 range. That's more than what some 7th round draft picks make on a signing bonus ( ok maybe they make a little more). But its frustrating how some college kids don't realize the opportunity they're getting, but no they want more, ridiculous.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
You gotta be kidding man. Colleges don't compensate their athletes WTF!! Then what do you call scholarships and an opportunity to get in the NFL?? I mean if you let these kids start making money in college in any kind of way, your basically opening up a can of worms. For instance, schools will start throwing money at them in a twisted kind of way where a player will no longer choose a school that he wants to go to but where the money is at, then next thing you know you have the New York Yankees in college football. Cheesus a degree doesn't mean anything in college anymore, college football players are doing things not everyone can do, isn't honor enough or you need a $100 to go along with it.

If players don't like that they can't make money off of the player they are, then don't go to college plain and simple.

The big joke is the conflation of getting an education with the highly profitable business of selling college football to America on the backs of America's largest student-athlete slave labor force.

Nothing wrong with getting an education...I am all for it. But many of these student-athletes are simply not there to learn....they're there for as long as they have to be and then they are in the pros. It's a huge sham. Tthe NCAA basically runs the NFL's farm system and makes a ginormous profit from that particular peculiar institution.

How can you assume some players are in it just to get into the NFL, most of them have degrees and some declare but not because they were in it from the get go. Players agents and the NFL Draft committee advised them, if not those that are seniors usually stay and graduate. Sure there's a few bad apples in college but don't list them as the majority.

Yes, the NCAA does has something to do with players going to the NFL, but how can you not see its the right way. Its not like Basketball where they could come right outta High School, they're giving these players a chance to further their education. And these scholarships aren't cheap either between the $30-40,000 range. That's more than what some 7th round draft picks make on a signing bonus ( ok maybe they make a little more). But its frustrating how some college kids don't realize the opportunity they're getting, but no they want more, ridiculous.

Short term gratification vs. long term sustainability
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Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
You gotta be kidding man. Colleges don't compensate their athletes WTF!! Then what do you call scholarships and an opportunity to get in the NFL?? I mean if you let these kids start making money in college in any kind of way, your basically opening up a can of worms. For instance, schools will start throwing money at them in a twisted kind of way where a player will no longer choose a school that he wants to go to but where the money is at, then next thing you know you have the New York Yankees in college football. Cheesus a degree doesn't mean anything in college anymore, college football players are doing things not everyone can do, isn't honor enough or you need a $100 to go along with it.

If players don't like that they can't make money off of the player they are, then don't go to college plain and simple.

The big joke is the conflation of getting an education with the highly profitable business of selling college football to America on the backs of America's largest student-athlete slave labor force.

Nothing wrong with getting an education...I am all for it. But many of these student-athletes are simply not there to learn....they're there for as long as they have to be and then they are in the pros. It's a huge sham. Tthe NCAA basically runs the NFL's farm system and makes a ginormous profit from that particular peculiar institution.

How can you assume some players are in it just to get into the NFL, most of them have degrees and some declare but not because they were in it from the get go. Players agents and the NFL Draft committee advised them, if not those that are seniors usually stay and graduate. Sure there's a few bad apples in college but don't list them as the majority.

Yes, the NCAA does has something to do with players going to the NFL, but how can you not see its the right way. Its not like Basketball where they could come right outta High School, they're giving these players a chance to further their education. And these scholarships aren't cheap either between the $30-40,000 range. That's more than what some 7th round draft picks make on a signing bonus ( ok maybe they make a little more). But its frustrating how some college kids don't realize the opportunity they're getting, but no they want more, ridiculous.

Short term gratification vs. long term sustainability

Pretty much, oh well you can't win everyone over.