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***Johnny Manziel thread***

  • DeUh
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Jerry Rice "He reminds me a little bit of Steve Young.....It is a no brainer for the Texans"

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-player-interviews/0ap2000000337647/Rice-Manziel-reminds-me-of-Steve-Young
A NIKE inspired pro day full of hype and showmanship does not override the game film. Johnny was great in college and he should go early but Teddy had the better tape
Manziel moves around like a Cutler just looking at the highlights.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by eonblue:
Well Manziel is going first.

If Houston does decide to go QB, yes.

I would not say it is a foregone conclusion that JM will be the top QB on their board after today. Bortles comes without the off the field question marks and also had a good showing at his pro day.

the funny thing is bortles has played more college games than manziel--think I read it was like 37 games for bortles, 25 for manziel---I recall their being some stat for predicting success for nfl propsects that incorporated 3 factors, one of which was games played at the college level
Manziel shouldnt be a top 5 pick.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
I still think Bridgewater will be the best of the group. That's who they should take.

His mechanics were all off at his pro day. He really hurt himself by not throwing at the combine. I like Bridgewater but all the signs are pointing to Manziel. Texas native, dual threat, great tape, great pro day. Will see if Houston can get over a college kid going to a frat house. Going to be tough.


It wouldn't even be a question of Manziel was 2 inches taller.

I believe he is taller than Wilson and has even more raw ability. Wilson won the Super Bowl at the perfect time to help Manziel in the draft. Houston is nuts if they don't take him.
  • buck
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Originally posted by DeUh:
Jerry Rice "He reminds me a little bit of Steve Young.....It is a no brainer for the Texans"

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-player-interviews/0ap2000000337647/Rice-Manziel-reminds-me-of-Steve-Young

Jerry Rice was the best wide receiver of all time. I am not sure that he has any particular skill at evaluating players for the draft.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
It wouldn't even be a question of Manziel was 2 inches taller.

I believe he is taller than Wilson and has even more raw ability. Wilson won the Super Bowl at the perfect time to help Manziel in the draft. Houston is nuts if they don't take him.

Raw ability is no guarantee of success of success in the NFL.
Wilson works hard and is dedicated to the game.
Manziel might be more dedicated to his fame.
If he turns out to be a good quarterback, I want him in the AFC and Houston is in the AFC.

Originally posted by Zachary:
Manziel shouldnt be a top 5 pick.

I just want him and as many quarterbacks as possible to be taken before our first round pick.
Since Houston traded Schwab, I think they pass on Clowney and take a QB for sure. Whether thats Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater is up in the air. From the "hype" it seems Bridgewater is being left behind. Manziel is a boom/bust pick (Tebow like) that could pay off huge or hurt the team for a few years to come.
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by DeUh:
Jerry Rice "He reminds me a little bit of Steve Young.....It is a no brainer for the Texans"

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-player-interviews/0ap2000000337647/Rice-Manziel-reminds-me-of-Steve-Young

Jerry Rice was the best wide receiver of all time. I am not sure that he has any particular skill at evaluating players for the draft.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
It wouldn't even be a question of Manziel was 2 inches taller.

I believe he is taller than Wilson and has even more raw ability. Wilson won the Super Bowl at the perfect time to help Manziel in the draft. Houston is nuts if they don't take him.

Raw ability is no guarantee of success of success in the NFL.
Wilson works hard and is dedicated to the game.
Manziel might be more dedicated to his fame.
If he turns out to be a good quarterback, I want him in the AFC and Houston is in the AFC.

Originally posted by Zachary:
Manziel shouldnt be a top 5 pick.

I just want him and as many quarterbacks as possible to be taken before our first round pick.

Lol. Best receiver of all time isn't a credential? Okay.....

Also you don't know about Manziels dedication.

Do you really think he would've looked as good as he did at his proday if he wasn't dedicated?

What about his career at TAMU?

Do you think that level of success is something that just happens?
What about Clowney? Is he still a top 5 pick despite his character issues?
[ Edited by eonblue on Mar 28, 2014 at 7:00 AM ]
Originally posted by btthepunk:
I still think Bridgewater will be the best of the group. That's who they should take.

You may be right. I am just glad we aren't looking for a QB.

Originally posted by eonblue:
His mechanics were all off at his pro day. He really hurt himself by not throwing at the combine. I like Bridgewater but all the signs are pointing to Manziel. Texas native, dual threat, great tape, great pro day. Will see if Houston can get over a college kid going to a frat house. Going to be tough.

Texas native and being a dual threat aren't things that will sell Bill O'Brien. Those are things that will sell the Texans owner though who looks at things a little differently than BoB. If they do take a QB at #1, O'Brien may very well have the final say on which QB is the right fit for his scheme and for that franchise going forward.

Originally posted by hofer36:
the funny thing is bortles has played more college games than manziel--think I read it was like 37 games for bortles, 25 for manziel---I recall their being some stat for predicting success for nfl propsects that incorporated 3 factors, one of which was games played at the college level

IIRC that article is at least a year or two old but I've read it too. I believe that they correlated that higher profile QB's who stuck around for the senior season (or spent 4 years in the college system) as opposed to leaving early had a much higher success rate in the NFL.
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Originally posted by buck:
Jerry Rice was the best wide receiver of all time. I am not sure that he has any particular skill at evaluating players for the draft.

In context, Jerry Rice was saying that Johnny Maziel has a bit of a "fighter" attitude/spirit to him. A "chip on his shoulder" that reminds him of a Steve Young.
Originally posted by KRS-1:

Texas native and being a dual threat aren't things that will sell Bill O'Brien. Those are things that will sell the Texans owner though who looks at things a little differently than BoB. If they do take a QB at #1, O'Brien may very well have the final say on which QB is the right fit for his scheme and for that franchise going forward.

I have no doubt BoB has the final say, but I don't think there's a disparity between Manziel and the rest of this class. By that I mean if Andrew Luck or RG3(or comparable talent) were in this class the choice would be easy. This class is a tier below those guys. Out of this class Manziel is the only one that has the look of franchise QB. I just don't think they'll pass that up. Both the GM and BoB. I know O'Brien wants to start on the right foot but Manziel showed that he's a competent passer. Ultimately the fans will excuse Manziel being a flop because this would essentially be there pick. They wont excuse Bortles or Bridgewater and they'll march on the FO if they're getting beat by a Manziel ran Jaguars for the next couple of years. Maybe they pick Clowney though. Him and Watt are all-pro for the next 6 years. Pick a QB at the top of the 2nd.

Btw if you look at what O'Brien was doing with Hackenburg last season you see a system that Manziel could thrive in.
[ Edited by eonblue on Mar 28, 2014 at 7:42 AM ]
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Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by DeUh:
Jerry Rice "He reminds me a little bit of Steve Young.....It is a no brainer for the Texans"

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-player-interviews/0ap2000000337647/Rice-Manziel-reminds-me-of-Steve-Young

Jerry Rice was the best wide receiver of all time. I am not sure that he has any particular skill at evaluating players for the draft.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
It wouldn't even be a question of Manziel was 2 inches taller.

I believe he is taller than Wilson and has even more raw ability. Wilson won the Super Bowl at the perfect time to help Manziel in the draft. Houston is nuts if they don't take him.

Raw ability is no guarantee of success of success in the NFL.
Wilson works hard and is dedicated to the game.
Manziel might be more dedicated to his fame.
If he turns out to be a good quarterback, I want him in the AFC and Houston is in the AFC.

Originally posted by Zachary:
Manziel shouldnt be a top 5 pick.

I just want him and as many quarterbacks as possible to be taken before our first round pick.

Lol. Best receiver of all time isn't a credential? Okay.....

Also you don't know about Manziels dedication.

Do you really think he would've looked as good as he did at his proday if he wasn't dedicated?

What about his career at TAMU?

Do you think that level of success is something that just happens?
What about Clowney? Is he still a top 5 pick despite his character issues?

I said Manziel might be more interested in his fame. That is hardly a claim that I know anything about his dedication. I do have questions about his dedication and about his willingness to do the work needed to be a success in the NFL. I am hardly the only person with those questions.

I said I am not sure that Rice has any particular skill at evaluating players for the draft.

I never said anything about his credentials and I never said that did not have skill. I am not sure that being the best receiver of all time means that Rice is good at talent evaluation or that he would be good at coaching.

Originally posted by buck:
I said Manziel might be more interested in his fame. That is hardly a claim that I know anything about his dedication. I do have questions about his dedication and about his willingness to do the work needed to be a success in the NFL. I am hardly the only person with those questions.

I said I am not sure that Rice has any particular skill at evaluating players for the draft.

I never said anything about his credentials and I never said that did not have skill. I am not sure that being the best receiver of all time means that Rice is good at talent evaluation or that he would be good at coaching.


But it is. You can say it's not but it's a judgement on his character especially when you correlate you're statement with what you were responding to.

BrianGO said "Wilson opened the door for QBs like Manziel. Houston would be crazy not to take him" and you responded with "Wilsons a hard worker and he's dedicated. Manziel might be more dedicated to his fame". You're trying to refute BrianGOs comparison of Manziel to Wilson by saying they're might be a disparity in dedication.

You're stating you don't know about his dedication, but you're framing rebuttals around it. So why get caught up on the might? You know what you were getting at. The same thing you were getting at when you questioned Rice's comment.

You might not like Manziel.

You're not the only person that feels this way about Manziel. You're also not the only person I've argued with about him so it's all good.
[ Edited by eonblue on Mar 28, 2014 at 8:25 AM ]
This thread title needs to be changed, who made it? Lou Holtz?