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Wide Receiver Class of 2014

Would it be possible to get Brandin Cooks and Verrett?
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Kolohe:


I think Richardson and Marqise Lee are the two guys I'd say we will target that a good portion of us don't want or wouldn't expect. Although frankly, I'd be perfectly fine with both, after conducting extensive research and game study.

Yah, I'm one of those that do not want Marquise Lee unless it's in the 2nd, I just think Lee is overrated in. But I wouldn't be mad if Richardson turned out to be a 49er.

How is that yall are on bored for Richardson when he's smaller then AJ ??? I just see a rerun of b*tchin N cryin if we draft Richardson ...

You really have to watch them play. I graded AJ a 4th rounder for a reason (and that's why I was LIVID when we wasted a first on him). Jenkins had zero elusiveness to beat the press and wound up on the ground instantly when jammed or re-routed even when not facing press. Opponents aren't able to get a clean knock on Richardson very often. Way too quick. He beat multiple types of coverage and has much better hands than Jenkins too. On the field, he's faster, more agile, been more productive, and showed a competitive fire that I never saw in AJ. Bottom line -- they are nothing alike. Small does not = "Can't play in the NFL." DeSean Jackson was even smaller and made the Pro Bowl.

Other small successful WRs: Welker, Steve Smith, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, T.Y. Hilton, Kendall Wright (did anyone catch that he had 1000+ yards last year?), Edelman (also had 1000+), and Harry Douglas (also 1000+).

A good football player is a good football player.
Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Would it be possible to get Brandin Cooks and Verrett?

Possible but not likely and we would have to listen to Kiper swoon all weekend about the Niners filling needs at the top of the draft just like he predicted.
Robinson just hit a 42" vert and 11' broad jump at his pro day. I did not see that coming!
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Robinson just hit a 42" vert and 11' broad jump at his pro day. I did not see that coming!

I'm hoping that pushes him back ahead of Moncrief. Robinson did well in those drills at the combine too - he has good explosion but doesn't have the best long speed.
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Robinson just hit a 42" vert and 11' broad jump at his pro day. I did not see that coming!

WOW!!! If you put those numbers up against the rest of the WR at the combine


4.47 forty
42 in vert
6.53 three cone

His numbers would have placed as this in Indy

18th in forty
1st in vert
1st in 3 cone ( better than cooks or Beckham )

WOW! Im a Matthews fan, but Im also a Penn State fan and would not be mad to see him picked in the 2nd.
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Robinson just hit a 42" vert and 11' broad jump at his pro day. I did not see that coming!

I'm hoping that pushes him back ahead of Moncrief. Robinson did well in those drills at the combine too - he has good explosion but doesn't have the best long speed.

Allen Robinson, WR (6-foot 7/8, 207) Robinson ran the 40-yard dash in 4.48 and 4.50 seconds (improving on the 4.60 40 from the NFL Scouting Combine).

He had a 42-inch vertical jump and 10-foot-11 broad jump.

He also did the three-cone drill in 6.54 seconds. Robinson had a great pro-day workout.

He looked very good running routes. Robinson�€™s performance really helped his draft stock a lot. It will push him into a crowded group of talented wide receivers in the 2014 NFL Draft class; not the upper echelon of prospects (a group that would include the likes of Sammy Watkins of Clemson and Mike Evans of Texas A&M), but the next tier of talent.

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/
[ Edited by buck on Apr 8, 2014 at 2:12 PM ]
Another measuring stick for the WR class.....

The average hand size of the top 25 WRs in the NFL is 9 1/2 in.

Jordan Matthews 10 3/8
Benjamin 10 1/4
Jarvis Landry 10 1/4
Odell Beckham 10
BRANDON COOKS 9 5/8
Mike Evans 9 5/8
Sammy Watkins 9 5/8
Marquise Lee 9 1/2
Allen Robinson 9 1/2

Below the cut

Donte Moncrief 9 1/8
Davante Adams 9
Paul Richardson 8 7/8


I would be thrilled with any of the WRs above the cut, aside from that glorified TE Benjamin, dude has bust written all over him. If we wait until the 2nd round, would LOVE Matthews!
Originally posted by buck:
Allen Robinson, WR (6-foot 7/8, 207) Robinson ran the 40-yard dash in 4.48 and 4.50 seconds (improving on the 4.60 40 from the NFL Scouting Combine).

He had a 42-inch vertical jump and 10-foot-11 broad jump.

He also did the three-cone drill in 6.54 seconds. Robinson had a great pro-day workout.

He looked very good running routes. Robinson��‚��„�s performance really helped his draft stock a lot. It will push him into a crowded group of talented wide receivers in the 2014 NFL Draft class; not the upper echelon of prospects (a group that would include the likes of Sammy Watkins of Clemson and Mike Evans of Texas A&M), but the next tier of talent.

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/

You can't treat pro day 40 times as equivalent to combine times. Running a 4.5 hand-timed 40 at his pro day is similar to running a 4.6 at the combine. Robinson is explosive and pretty agile for a big receiver, but he is not very fast. I'm guessing the 3 cone drill is also hand timed in pro days and I'm a little suspicious about that time dropping from 7.00 to 6.54. It will be interesting to see what order Benjamin, Moncrief, Adams, Robinson, Bryant, and Matthews are taken. All of them have a shot at going in the 2nd round, but hopefully a receiver we want makes it to 56 or 61. Ellington may also be a target at 61.
That was supposed to be a reply to DRUSTOPO - you can't rank pro day times among combine times when they use electronic timers at the combine and the conditions aren't the same.
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by buck:
Allen Robinson, WR (6-foot 7/8, 207) Robinson ran the 40-yard dash in 4.48 and 4.50 seconds (improving on the 4.60 40 from the NFL Scouting Combine).

He had a 42-inch vertical jump and 10-foot-11 broad jump.

He also did the three-cone drill in 6.54 seconds. Robinson had a great pro-day workout.

He looked very good running routes. Robinson��‚��„�s performance really helped his draft stock a lot. It will push him into a crowded group of talented wide receivers in the 2014 NFL Draft class; not the upper echelon of prospects (a group that would include the likes of Sammy Watkins of Clemson and Mike Evans of Texas A&M), but the next tier of talent.

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/

You can't treat pro day 40 times as equivalent to combine times. Running a 4.5 hand-timed 40 at his pro day is similar to running a 4.6 at the combine. Robinson is explosive and pretty agile for a big receiver, but he is not very fast. I'm guessing the 3 cone drill is also hand timed in pro days and I'm a little suspicious about that time dropping from 7.00 to 6.54. It will be interesting to see what order Benjamin, Moncrief, Adams, Robinson, Bryant, and Matthews are taken. All of them have a shot at going in the 2nd round, but hopefully a receiver we want makes it to 56 or 61. Ellington may also be a target at 61.

His vertical went from 39 inches to 42 inches and his broad jump improved from 10 feet 7 inches to 11 feet. Those aren't timed numbers and aren't subject to human reaction. It shows he has been training hard on his explosion. No doubt his speed has improved a pretty significant amount as well. He was even clocked as fast as 4.42 at his pro day. Most likely he doesn't run as well as he did at his pro day, but he would have timed much better had the combine been today.
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by buck:
Allen Robinson, WR (6-foot 7/8, 207) Robinson ran the 40-yard dash in 4.48 and 4.50 seconds (improving on the 4.60 40 from the NFL Scouting Combine).

He had a 42-inch vertical jump and 10-foot-11 broad jump.

He also did the three-cone drill in 6.54 seconds. Robinson had a great pro-day workout.

He looked very good running routes. Robinson��‚��„�s performance really helped his draft stock a lot. It will push him into a crowded group of talented wide receivers in the 2014 NFL Draft class; not the upper echelon of prospects (a group that would include the likes of Sammy Watkins of Clemson and Mike Evans of Texas A&M), but the next tier of talent.

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/

You can't treat pro day 40 times as equivalent to combine times. Running a 4.5 hand-timed 40 at his pro day is similar to running a 4.6 at the combine. Robinson is explosive and pretty agile for a big receiver, but he is not very fast. I'm guessing the 3 cone drill is also hand timed in pro days and I'm a little suspicious about that time dropping from 7.00 to 6.54. It will be interesting to see what order Benjamin, Moncrief, Adams, Robinson, Bryant, and Matthews are taken. All of them have a shot at going in the 2nd round, but hopefully a receiver we want makes it to 56 or 61. Ellington may also be a target at 61.


I pretty much agree with you. I do think that Robinson is fast enough for the NFL.

Some prospects did not work out at the combine. I think their pro day numbers are better than none.


Here is another take on his pro day.

Combine Numbers: The two-time Big Ten receiver of the year was 6-foot-2, 220 pound on the first day of the combine. It seemed like a lot of weight, but Robinson said Tuesday he weighed in at 208 pounds on Saturday at the combine. The pass catcher completed most of the drills at the event, turning in a 4.60 40-yard dash, 39 inch vertical jump, 127 inch broad jump, seven second three cone drill, four second 20-yard shuttle, and 11.36 60-yard shuttle.


Reported Pro Day numbers: If Robinson was going to improve any numbers Tuesday, it was his times. He did, saying "I heard 4.42 to 4.47 and some 4.5, so I think it varies a lot based on who's timing but it felt a lot better."

Robinson also reported a 42 inch vertical, a 10 foot, 11 inch broad jump, and 6.53 three cone drill.

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2014/04/penn_state_football_news_and_n_1.html
[ Edited by buck on Apr 8, 2014 at 8:16 PM ]
Jeremy Butler - UT-Martin; 6'2, 218. Being compared to Anquan Boldin because of his physicality and ability to catch the ball. We've also been in contact.

For the past two seasons, Jeremy Butler has been a stand out wide receiver for the UT-Martin Skyhawks, but as an FCS prospect with a convoluted history, he is widely unknown to most draftniks.

In a recent interview with Butler, I received a firsthand insight to the adversity and triumph college athletes experience in their pursuit of a dream that few deserve and even fewer achieve. Jeremy Butler has definitely made a great case over his college career to why he should get a shot.

Currently, Butler is training at Solus Performance Training facility in Jackson, TN, where he is focusing on improving his explosion, as well as fine tuning his movement skills in anticipation for UT-Martin's pro day on March 18th.

While at Booker High School in Sarasota, FL, Butler played 3 years on the varsity squad, but primarily as a defensive end. It was not until his senior campaign that he took snaps at wide receiver. Butler explained that he was not offered any full scholarships and opted for the JUCO route where he played at Reedy College (CA) in 2009 and College of the Sequoias (CA) in 2010. It was here that Butler commanded attention from Division 1 schools as he blossomed as a wide receiver. Butler had originally committed to play ball at Colorado, his "dream college." However, an "issue with credits" prevented the transfer. Butler also received major interest from Louisiana Tech, but again, faced complications in his transfer. Louisiana Tech had already committed their full scholarships to other players. "I definitely found out there was a business side to it all," Butler remarks.

Butler was signed to a partial scholarship and played spring ball with the Bulldogs in 2011. Ultimately, Butler decided to transfer to UT-Martin, who had offered him a full ride from the start.

"They were committed to me through the whole process, and I respected that."

Butler's transfer to UT-Martin forced him to sit out the entire 2011 football season. When asked how his year off affected him as a person, Butler conveyed an insatiable tenacity.

"The year off was the best thing that happened to me in my life. It taught me how to be a man. I am a living testament for if you want something you go get it. You got to control what you can control and do what you got to do."

During his junior campaign in 2012, Butler earned 750 yards receiving and 10 touchdowns on 51 catches. Butler's best performance came against the Murray State Racers where he gained 177 receiving yards and 4 touchdowns on 8 catches in a 66-59 victory.

Butler admits he might have had a little luck on his side that day:

"My best friend texted me before the game and told me he had a dream I was going to get 3 TD's... I had 3 at the half. When I got back out there I just wanted to see how much I could get."

Butler also claims this epic performance as his most defining and favorite memory while at UT-Martin declaring "It finally felt liked I belonged at the college level."

The 2013 campaign for the UT-Martin Skyhawks was headlined by uncertainty at the quarterback position. Former 3 year starter Derek Carr was now a graduate assistant, which left starting duties to be split between sophomore Jarod Neal and junior Dylan Favre. Butler took this extra bit of adversity as an opportunity to become a mentor.

"I just told them you can trust me, I'm going to be where I need to be, if you put the ball on me, I'll catch it... I was a big safety blanket for them... They were younger and I was helping them learn the offense a little bit. "

And the game tape shows exactly that. Butler assumed the same role that Mike Evans had for Johnny Manziel: a safety net and deep threat. Butler demonstrated his ability to find and sit in the holes on zone coverage as well as the ability to get open on broken plays. Furthermore, while acting as Neal and Favre's safety blanket, Butler demonstrated fantastic catch radius and body control.

Overall, Butler racked up 1203 yards and 10 touchdowns on 90 catches during his senior year. Even with these impressive numbers, Butler admits he was not physically imposing to FCS defensive backs and had the most trouble against Tennessee State corner De'Ante Saunders, a University of Florida transfer. Butler explained that most corners he had faced prior played more off man and zone coverage, but Saunders was the first to play him man-to-man the all game.

"Most guys kind of just back off, but he let me know from the first snap that he was going to compete. He was talking, trying to get in my head. He really pushed me."

As challenging as Butler makes Saunders out to be, he still came out of the match up with 10 catches, 129 yards and a touchdown.

The most interesting part about talking with Butler is that despite his years of tremendous production at the D-1 level, earning 2012 OVC newcomer of the year and 2013 2nd Team All-OVC honors, he still feels like he has a chip on his shoulder. When asked how he would feel once he puts an NFL jersey on for the first time he explained that:

"To an extent, that all my hard work paid off, but it will feel like my legacy is just starting. I want to be the best and I'm not afraid to say that. I'm ready to get my name known. I'll have butterflies, but at the same time it will be time to make my mark."

I pointed out to him that if he had two years with his current stat line, but at Louisiana Tech, the scouting community would be clamoring about him as a mid-round pick. Butler addressed that remark when I asked him if he were a GM, where would he select Jeremy Butler:

"I would take me #1 overall. I would look over the whole big school, small school. Once you put on the film it's pretty much the same at every level. How you catch, run routes, all that is the same... Once you get on an even playing field, all the hype falls through."

One of Butler's biggest assets is his potential at the next level. He is an extremely physical receiver off the line and is very hard to tackle with the ball in his hands not because he is overly quick, but because he fights through defenders for extra yardage. Butler is also projected to run in the sub 4.5's and has demonstrated on tape that he can stretch the seams. And all of this arising from limited experience at the position.

Butler has garnered attention from at least 8 NFL teams and has had been contacted personally by the Indianapolis Colts, Green Bay Packers, and San Francisco 49ers to inform him that they will be watching him at UT-Martin's pro day.

It is not surprising to see San Francisco showing interest in Butler since his physical play and reliability as a pass catcher reminds me of current 49er receiver Anquan Boldin. While it is not realistic at this point to say Butler will be drafted as high as Boldin was, it is fair to say that whoever decides to take a chance on Jeremy Butler will receive highly determined player with the potential to be a contributor on offense.

Butler will also be participating at Vanderbilt's pro day on March 21st, where he will work out with top receiver prospect Jordan Matthews.
http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl-draft/2014-nfl-draft-interview-jeremy-butler-wr-ut-martin-r2231

I can't embed videos from my phone, so if anyone would be more than kind, I'd appreciate it. http://youtu.be/m40fF6yrdQM
Sorry double post.
[ Edited by Travisty13 on Apr 13, 2014 at 8:33 PM ]
^^ What were his Pro Day numbers?