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Wide Receiver Class of 2014

WEAKNESSES: Only average height and looks near maxed out physically. Too many dropped passes and examples of lost focus, taking his eyes off the ball or worrying about defenders around him. Makes tough catches, but drops too many easy ones.Late to locate and adjust at times, and his tracking ability seems to be hit or miss. Needs to stay alert and disciplined with more than a few holding or personal foul penalties on his resume.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737474/josh-huff
Originally posted by LaMichaelJeff:
when i look at the list of receivers and who the niners would have a realistic chance in taking, i hope we come away with at least 1 or 2 of the following:

  1. Jarvis Landry
  2. Jordan Matthews
  3. Brandin Cooks
  4. Odell Beckham, Jr.
  5. Kelvin Benjamin
  6. Allen Robinson
  7. Davante Adams
  8. Donte Moncrief
  9. Martavis Bryant
  10. Josh Huff

That's quite a nice group of players to choose from! If the 9ers get two of these guys I'll be very happy!
Originally posted by xcfan:
why is josh huff virtually ignored in this draft? draftniks seem to think he's not a top-100 guy. i think his package translates well to the nfl. fast, strong, confident; plays with toughness like an alpha dog. once he absorbs a nfl offense, he'll make plays. if you drafted him in the 2nd, you'd get a good return on investment. what's with all the reports knocking him into the 3rd and 4th round? he's gonna play a long time.

i actually have him in my "realistic top 10 WR board" ranked at #10. i like the tools. he's a wrecking ball with the ball in his hands. just some inconsistencies with catching the ball and some mental lapses on the field. reason why he's ranked as a 3rd/4th rounder is also because of all the talent elsewhere in other positions.
I think we're better off looking at guys who can get quick/clean releases from the LOS and do damage when they get in the secondary. I really like Paul Herron's ability to get off press coverage and threaten the secondary deep (he's got a lot of Steve Smith to his game). Jared Abbrederis is another guy who's really shifty both at the LOS and when he's running routes. He REALLY knows how to set up DBs to get them leaning one way, then break in the opposite direction. It's like watching Steve Largent all over again.

So guys who can win at the line of scrimmage cleanly and get open downfield (either through deception or pure speed) have my vote. Herron in the 2nd and Abbrederis in the 3rd!
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Feb 5, 2014 at 10:27 AM ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I think we're better off looking at guys who can get quick/clean releases from the LOS and do damage when they get in the secondary. I really like Paul Herron's ability to get off press coverage and threaten the secondary deep (he's got a lot of Steve Smith to his game). Jared Abbrederis is another guy who's really shifty both at the LOS and when he's running routes. He REALLY knows how to set up DBs to get them leaning one way, then break in the opposite direction. It's like watching Steve Largent all over again.

So guys who can win at the line of scrimmage cleanly and get open downfield (either through deception or pure speed) have my vote. Herron in the 2nd and Abbrederis in the 3rd!

I feel the same way. In terms of big receivers, I'm not feeling any big possession type guys, they play perfectly into Seattle's hands, or any team that likes to play aggressive press man coverage. I like guys like Robinson and Matthews and would not be upset with either of them but I do want to see some speed, some shiftiness, quickness, a real downfield threat....etc.
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Originally posted by LaMichaelJeff:
i actually have him in my "realistic top 10 WR board" ranked at #10. i like the tools. he's a wrecking ball with the ball in his hands. just some inconsistencies with catching the ball and some mental lapses on the field. reason why he's ranked as a 3rd/4th rounder is also because of all the talent elsewhere in other positions.

true, because there's over ten receivers in my top-40
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I think we're better off looking at guys who can get quick/clean releases from the LOS and do damage when they get in the secondary. I really like Paul Herron's ability to get off press coverage and threaten the secondary deep (he's got a lot of Steve Smith to his game). Jared Abbrederis is another guy who's really shifty both at the LOS and when he's running routes. He REALLY knows how to set up DBs to get them leaning one way, then break in the opposite direction. It's like watching Steve Largent all over again.

So guys who can win at the line of scrimmage cleanly and get open downfield (either through deception or pure speed) have my vote. Herron in the 2nd and Abbrederis in the 3rd!

I feel the same way. In terms of big receivers, I'm not feeling any big possession type guys, they play perfectly into Seattle's hands, or any team that likes to play aggressive press man coverage. I like guys like Robinson and Matthews and would not be upset with either of them but I do want to see some speed, some shiftiness, quickness, a real downfield threat....etc.

Exactly. Plus, we already have 3 solid possession types in Boldin, Crabs and Patton. With the exception of Patton though (and even he's not a speed demon), we don't have anyone who can consistently threaten the secondary and that absolutely has to change.
Who's better? Crabs or Watkins, gentlemen? Very similar, but Crabs has better hands whereas Watkins better routes and jumping ability. Crabs health an issue, right? If Watkins is deemed better, is he worth going after in the top 10 like Julio Jones? I just don't see the height and speed to warrant it. Do you guys?

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I think we're better off looking at guys who can get quick/clean releases from the LOS and do damage when they get in the secondary. I really like Paul Herron's ability to get off press coverage and threaten the secondary deep (he's got a lot of Steve Smith to his game). Jared Abbrederis is another guy who's really shifty both at the LOS and when he's running routes. He REALLY knows how to set up DBs to get them leaning one way, then break in the opposite direction. It's like watching Steve Largent all over again.

So guys who can win at the line of scrimmage cleanly and get open downfield (either through deception or pure speed) have my vote. Herron in the 2nd and Abbrederis in the 3rd!

I feel the same way. In terms of big receivers, I'm not feeling any big possession type guys, they play perfectly into Seattle's hands, or any team that likes to play aggressive press man coverage. I like guys like Robinson and Matthews and would not be upset with either of them but I do want to see some speed, some shiftiness, quickness, a real downfield threat....etc.

Exactly. Plus, we already have 3 solid possession types in Boldin, Crabs and Patton. With the exception of Patton though (and even he's not a speed demon), we don't have anyone who can consistently threaten the secondary and that absolutely has to change.

Hey Ghost! Long time...

I agree we have some natural possession receivers, but we don't have that jump ball RZ specialist a la Jefferey for example. Benjamin fits that to a tee and he can be groomed to take Boldin's spot when he leaves learning the route trees and shoring up his hands like Vernon did, juggs machine extraordinaire. I would love to see us land Benjamin over Robinson and Evans even.

But that's just me. I'm loco en la cabeza, mang...
Originally posted by ninertico:
Who's better? Crabs or Watkins, gentlemen? Very similar, but Crabs has better hands whereas Watkins better routes and jumping ability. Crabs health an issue, right? If Watkins is deemed better, is he worth going after in the top 10 like Julio Jones? I just don't see the height and speed to warrant it. Do you guys?

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I think we're better off looking at guys who can get quick/clean releases from the LOS and do damage when they get in the secondary. I really like Paul Herron's ability to get off press coverage and threaten the secondary deep (he's got a lot of Steve Smith to his game). Jared Abbrederis is another guy who's really shifty both at the LOS and when he's running routes. He REALLY knows how to set up DBs to get them leaning one way, then break in the opposite direction. It's like watching Steve Largent all over again.

So guys who can win at the line of scrimmage cleanly and get open downfield (either through deception or pure speed) have my vote. Herron in the 2nd and Abbrederis in the 3rd!

I feel the same way. In terms of big receivers, I'm not feeling any big possession type guys, they play perfectly into Seattle's hands, or any team that likes to play aggressive press man coverage. I like guys like Robinson and Matthews and would not be upset with either of them but I do want to see some speed, some shiftiness, quickness, a real downfield threat....etc.

Exactly. Plus, we already have 3 solid possession types in Boldin, Crabs and Patton. With the exception of Patton though (and even he's not a speed demon), we don't have anyone who can consistently threaten the secondary and that absolutely has to change.

Hey Ghost! Long time...

I agree we have some natural possession receivers, but we don't have that jump ball RZ specialist a la Jefferey for example. Benjamin fits that to a tee and he can be groomed to take Boldin's spot when he leaves learning the route trees and shoring up his hands like Vernon did, juggs machine extraordinaire. I would love to see us land Benjamin over Robinson and Evans even.

But that's just me. I'm loco en la cabeza, mang...

Long time no habla tico...wassup bro???

I'm a fan of Benjamin in general, but I'm not sure that's the best way to beat Seattle and unfortunately they're the team right now standing in the way of our 6th ring. I really think the way to beat them is with speed, much like what the Colts did to them earlier in the year. As phoenix said, big WRs play right into their hands and can be neutralized by the size/strength of their secondary and the ferocity of their pass rush (which shortens the window of time WRs have to get open)...speed WRs are tougher for them to deal with, particularly when they play in the slot or are put in motion. They rarely gave up big plays this past year, but when they did, it was almost always a speedy WR doing the damage.

Other than that, welcome back!
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Exactly. Plus, we already have 3 solid possession types in Boldin, Crabs and Patton. With the exception of Patton though (and even he's not a speed demon), we don't have anyone who can consistently threaten the secondary and that absolutely has to change.
For the guys who still don't get it:
(over)-agressive defenses are vulnerable to speed and quickness. Just spend a look at the run by Gore against Seattle back in december.
[ Edited by communist on Feb 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM ]
Is Odell Beckham the fastest of the top ten other than Sammy Watkins? I think he runs in the 4.3's but I might be wrong about that. Seems like he'll be available in the 2nd round and since he's also a punt returner who can take it all the way any time he's back there, he seems like a natural fit for a Niner offense that lacks an elite speed guy on the outside. It's not like he's small and he seems like he's pretty strong.
Originally posted by crake49:
Is Odell Beckham the fastest of the top ten other than Sammy Watkins? I think he runs in the 4.3's but I might be wrong about that. Seems like he'll be available in the 2nd round and since he's also a punt returner who can take it all the way any time he's back there, he seems like a natural fit for a Niner offense that lacks an elite speed guy on the outside. It's not like he's small and he seems like he's pretty strong.

Not sure if Beckham is the fastest (probably a 4.43-4.46 guy), but he's got plenty of speed to burn. But more than just finding the fastest straight-line 40 time-guy, you have to factor in elusiveness and play-making ability. I mean, Ricardo Lockette was a true burner, but he wasn't much of a playmaker nor was he very elusive.
Just with an initial eyeball test and not getting into wr rankings, I really like Brandin Cooks. Same size as Tavon Austin or Percy Harvin. He seems like he moves like a video game. Very shifty and he looks like he goes to fight for the ball. As noted by other people, TY Hilton was effective against Seattle and I think it's good to pair Kap with some type of speedster. Right now our deep threat is our TE...

I don't even know if I agree on going with a wr early in the draft. Free Agency will help decide.

I do know Baalke tried for a speedy wr in Jenkins and missed. He might try again but with someone more ready.
All this talk of which and what type of receiver is fun and enlightening BUT, our coaching staff hasn't had a great track record of either choosing and/or developing receivers and if that doesn't change, we'd better get as NFL-ready a guy(s) as we can, 'cause the coaching ain't gonna be much help!!! And forgive me, but we also need our QB to time his throws better, ie when the receiver is actually breaking open and not 2 or seconds later when the DB is in a position to make a play. He also needs to see the field better and note the "other guy" who oftentimes IS open, as in that horrible last play when Crabs was covered by their best, if not THE best corner, while we had a wide open guy (Patton?) at the other side of the 'zone. The problem is not all receiver folks. While I admit we need to draft one, I don't think we have such a desperate need for two, unless a quality second guy is there for the taking, of course. But then again, would our draft braintrust recognize him?
Originally posted by 4evrfan:
All this talk of which and what type of receiver is fun and enlightening BUT, our coaching staff hasn't had a great track record of either choosing and/or developing receivers and if that doesn't change, we'd better get as NFL-ready a guy(s) as we can, 'cause the coaching ain't gonna be much help!!! And forgive me, but we also need our QB to time his throws better, ie when the receiver is actually breaking open and not 2 or seconds later when the DB is in a position to make a play. He also needs to see the field better and note the "other guy" who oftentimes IS open, as in that horrible last play when Crabs was covered by their best, if not THE best corner, while we had a wide open guy (Patton?) at the other side of the 'zone. The problem is not all receiver folks. While I admit we need to draft one, I don't think we have such a desperate need for two, unless a quality second guy is there for the taking, of course. But then again, would our draft braintrust recognize him?

Not sure if 3 years is enough of a window to truly call it a "track record," though you're correct in that the results so far in drafting/developing WRs definitely isn't good. I think Patton will turn out fine and IF we ever decide to throw the ball more (which to me is the bigger issue), there should be catches available for more than just Boldin and Vernon.