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MadDog's 2013 NFL Draft Review

Originally posted by GEEK:
Reid excelled in 2011 with strong talent around him in the secondary. Once those prospects left for the NFL and the Honey Badger did his thing, it exposed Reid quite a bit.

That being said, Dashon Goldson really started developing into an "elite" free safety once we had stability in the secondary and front 7.

I think the 49ers logical approach is that Reid can thrive in his 1st year at the NFL level on a team with stability at nearly every position from the previous year. Once he learns the nuances of the game, the expectation is to become better and better each of the next couple of seasons...similar to Dashon's development.

Its real hard for one player to cover the whole field when you have two starting CBs that are freshman, and a SS that was a 1st year starting Soph. In the SEC.

Reid will be placed with nothing but playmakers around him in our D. He will take some learning curves. But will be fine IMO
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
MD,

Speaking of Patton and small school guys. We picked up an undrafted FA CB by the name of Darryl Morris who really intrigues me. He played at Texas St. and I noticed that they went up against Louisiana Tech this year. Do you know of any way to watch that game? Would love to see this kid (tiny but absurdly fast) match-up against a bigger (but slower) Patton.


I saw that game. Kenny Dixon went HAM on Texas State. I don't know where you can find a copy of it, I'll look around online, that was a damn good game too, like watching Arena League Football in the NCAA. :P Mostly a quiet game for Patton though, I don't think he scored any touchdowns in that game, had a couple big receptions but mostly it was Dixon and Holley running the ball down TSU's throats and Cameron moving the ball around to a variety of receivers. I don't remember Morris playing all that much on Patton. Ton of offense and scoring in that game, it was a total track meet.


I can't find any specific clips bro, but this Darryl Morris highlight video has a couple plays from that game against Louisiana Tech. 4:43 mark is one of them. You can see Patton at the very top of the screen while Morris is defending on the other side of the field.




I think that's the same video I put into the Darryl Morris thread I started Would love to know if you find the game though!
Originally posted by bigwads:
Maddog is spot on with the Reid pick for a number of reasons.

Although, I don't believe the trade and pick were made out of "desperation" I do think it was simply wrong. The analysis of the player by our FO is wrong, where they drafted him was way too high and to make it worse the player we took at 18 was wrong.

Like maddog when the trade happened I thought we were trading up for Eifert. He was the only guy worth trading up for IMO (maybe Floyd too), and if we had taken Eifert the entire league would have $hit their pants.

Despite the Autin hysteria, Eifert will go down as the best offensive player in this entire draft.

TE was one of three positions of huge need for us and IMO none of the safeties in this draft were worthy of first round selection.

Frankly, there will be no difference in impact on a team between McDonald taken by the Rams in the 3rd and Reid.

But, everyone bemoaning the pick, including myself, hopes to be wrong...but I doubt it (see, A.J. Jenkins pick last year.

I seriously doubt this holds true. But if it does happen it says more about this thin offensive draft than it does about Eifert.
[ Edited by Hopper on May 3, 2013 at 6:33 PM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am honestly confused as to why there is so much dislike of Reid on this board. Once we made that pick I was thoroughly elated. Reid, imo, was by far the best fit for our team's scheme in this draft. Dashon Goldson was by no means a "great" cover safety, but that is not what our defense requires. Much like what Goldson did, Reid will simply be asked to diagnose, run/pass, then either cover a deep half or take the responsibilty of a RB/flat. The skills that are needy for that are simple and Reid has them all. He is an extremely smart "field general". A simple job like this schemes safety, will allow Reid to come in "stop thinking" and simply use his athletecism to react. Reid has more range, more speed, and more smarts then Dashon Goldson did, and we made him an All-Pro. I would assume the 9ers are going to give Reid the same kind of assignments as a rookie that the Redskins gave Sean Williams, and while I dont think Reid is nearly the prospect Williams was, he could very well turn into that Rangy ballhawk taking away the back half of the field. Vaccarro is a better cover safety but I dont seem him as the physical/tough player we get in Reid.

Because so many fans get locked into either the sexy/flashy pick or their draft crush. They also get into a locked phase of thinking that their evaluation is as good or greater than a teams. Of course of the teams is at the bottom, hard to argue that the guy might not be. However, when a team is successful, their argument is less qualified. Like those that think the Cyp or Elam is the same quality player. Not taking into account if the player fits the system.

Of course nothing is full proof, However, most of the analyst didn't pan the move up pick either. Especially the pros who have experience like Gil Brandt and Polian, not saying they are not infalliable, but their weight has more pull to me.

Ertz, JH and company knew all about him, if he is that impactful or dynamic they would have gone after him, but people can't believe that JH would pass on a guy that he helped recruit.

Don't understand the angst either. I really liked a couple of other safeties but in my mock draft stuck Reid in because he seemed the best fit for FS. If they had wanted a SS I believe they could have picked on of the other guys and gone after another position when trading up (TE, DE, etc). But the anti Reid stuff will stop when he plays himself into a starting job and becomes a legitimate NFL guy.

The idea that JH picked Reid because he had a crush on him from recruiting, flies in the face of not picking one of his TEs from Stanford. I'm really looking forward to Reid being able to cover better than Goldson in a year or two...won't take that much.

I trust Jim if he has a draft crush anyway. Last year he pushed hard for Lamichael James, who ended up being the only guy to contribute anything. I think you're seeing Jim's influence on a lot of picks. Maybe he knows that Fleener and Ertz are average talents, who put up big numbers in an offense that routinely throws to the tight ends more then other offenses. Fleener, a guy who played with Luck in college, didn't even produce as much as Allen, a tight end on the colts who was drafted a few rounds later.
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Originally posted by BillWalsh:
I trust Jim if he has a draft crush anyway. Last year he pushed hard for Lamichael James, who ended up being the only guy to contribute anything.

How exactly do you know that Harbaugh pushed hard for Lamichael James?

Is this true? Do you have a source?

Or is the just your assumption?
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Bucky Brooks said,

"General manager Trent Baalke has done a terrific job of stacking draft classes full of substance and sizzle in recent years.
This year's group definitely fits the bill, with several premium players joining a roster that's already chock-full of talent at every position.

Eric Reid is the prototypical safety with the size, speed and athleticism to roam freely in the deep middle. He should step into the role vacated by Dashon Goldson and provide the 49ers with timely playmaking between the hashes, making this trade-up decision a wise one.

Carradine and RB Marcus Lattimore are big-time players coming off significant injuries, but their immense talent and potential make them worthwhile risks, despite a possibility neither could see the field any time soon.

Quinton Patton is a standout receiver with a well-rounded game. If he makes the most of his opportunities as a rookie, he could give the 49ers a viable No. 2 option in the receiving corps.

GRADE: A

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000166724/article/nfc-west-draft-grades-another-san-francisco-49ers-gold-rush

I don't have a link. But I read an article after last years draft that Harbaugh really wanted him, after seeing his Stanford defenses get ripped up by James a few times. Other then Andrew Luck, James was probably the most dominating player in the Pac 12.
[ Edited by BillWalsh on May 3, 2013 at 9:55 PM ]
Originally posted by BillWalsh:
I don't have a link. But I read an article after last years draft that Harbaugh really wanted him, after seeing his Stanford defenses get ripped up by James a few times. Other then Andrew Luck, James was probably the most dominating player in the Pac 12.

Harbaugh said before the draft that Stanford couldn't keep James out of the endzone...even when they knew he was gong to get the ball. Of course, knowing the propensity of this group to shade the truth before and during the draft...
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Originally posted by BillWalsh:
I don't have a link. But I read an article after last years draft that Harbaugh really wanted him, after seeing his Stanford defenses get ripped up by James a few times. Other then Andrew Luck, James was probably the most dominating player in the Pac 12.

That sounds familiar, but I do not remember if that was actually Harbaugh speaking or a writer drawing that conclusion.

It does seem somewhat logical, but logical and true are not synonymous.
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I just watched a video of Casserly's Top Five Steals of the Draft.

SF had two of the five; Carradine and Lattimore.
Originally posted by buck:
I just watched a video of Casserly's Top Five Steals of the Draft.

SF had two of the five; Carradine and Lattimore.

If they can come back healthy!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by buck:
I just watched a video of Casserly's Top Five Steals of the Draft.

SF had two of the five; Carradine and Lattimore.

If they can come back healthy!

Carradine looks right on schedule to take on the "designated pass rusher" role that Aldon Smith had his first year. The Niners are only going to play this guy on certain obvious passing downs to help introduce him into the NFL and allow him time to gain some weight and get fully healthy. Last time I heard though (a few days ago), Tank was already sprinting and doing lots of rehab work every day. He should be able to contribute something this year, although it may not be in the first part of the season. The guy really works hard though. Who knows when he will be ready to go?

Admittedly, he probably won't be 100% until 2014 but then, one can say the same thing about Hunter, K Williams, Manningham, and certainly Lattimore. In fact, Mario may miss the season. That is why he signed off on a big pay cut.
Also, the Niners essentially red-shirted most of their 2012 draft.....Looney, Cam Johnson, and ultimately, Fleming all were either coming off knee injuries or in the case of the latter, had one early in camp. The team wisely held them out for most, if not all of the season. Supposedly, Looney might even win the starting center gig this year. He will make the team as a strong back-up at the least.

In short, Tank's injury was far less devastating than Lattimore's so he seems to have a good shot to see the field in 2013.
Originally posted by nw9erfan:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by buck:
I just watched a video of Casserly's Top Five Steals of the Draft.

SF had two of the five; Carradine and Lattimore.

If they can come back healthy!

Carradine looks right on schedule to take on the "designated pass rusher" role that Aldon Smith had his first year. The Niners are only going to play this guy on certain obvious passing downs to help introduce him into the NFL and allow him time to gain some weight and get fully healthy. Last time I heard though (a few days ago), Tank was already sprinting and doing lots of rehab work every day. He should be able to contribute something this year, although it may not be in the first part of the season. The guy really works hard though. Who knows when he will be ready to go?

Admittedly, he probably won't be 100% until 2014 but then, one can say the same thing about Hunter, K Williams, Manningham, and certainly Lattimore. In fact, Mario may miss the season. That is why he signed off on a big pay cut.
Also, the Niners essentially red-shirted most of their 2012 draft.....Looney, Cam Johnson, and ultimately, Fleming all were either coming off knee injuries or in the case of the latter, had one early in camp. The team wisely held them out for most, if not all of the season. Supposedly, Looney might even win the starting center gig this year. He will make the team as a strong back-up at the least.

In short, Tank's injury was far less devastating than Lattimore's so he seems to have a good shot to see the field in 2013.

id like to see them put carradine on the pup lis to start the season, so as to let him get 100% healthy..after 6 games he can come in with fresh legs and gave more omph to the pass rush
Originally posted by buck:
That sounds familiar, but I do not remember if that was actually Harbaugh speaking or a writer drawing that conclusion.

It does seem somewhat logical, but logical and true are not synonymous.

Well just take it for what it's worth from a lowly webzone poster, I do remember Harbaugh himself saying it, or possibly Trent saying that James was a Harbaugh pick, but then again these guys talk up pretty much every player on the roster.
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Originally posted by BillWalsh:
Originally posted by buck:
That sounds familiar, but I do not remember if that was actually Harbaugh speaking or a writer drawing that conclusion.

It does seem somewhat logical, but logical and true are not synonymous.

Well just take it for what it's worth from a lowly webzone poster, I do remember Harbaugh himself saying it, or possibly Trent saying that James was a Harbaugh pick, but then again these guys talk up pretty much every player on the roster.

Ok. If you remember that it was Harbaugh or Baalke speaking, I will accept that.
Hope your memory is better than mine.