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MadDog's 2013 NFL Draft Review

Originally posted by bigwads:
I think everyone is hoping our picks work out of course. I don't have any issue with the McDonald pick at all...I had him in one of my mocks. I think we were forced to trade up for him because Escobar got taken earlier than we all expected.

Reid just isn't worth the #18 pick, period. Polamalu was taken #16 and Reed #24. Reid doesn't even tie these guys shoes as a prospect.

I really hope something weird was going on at LSU that put Reid in some weird positions as a player, which can happen. The problem I have is I never thought he was that great in 2011 or 2012. I always thought he was overrated.

We needed a red zone threat, and Eifert was that guy. Hopefully McDonald can fill this roll but I am not confident he will be near the caliber of Eifert.

Obviously the FO thought Reid was a very good player, so I hope they are right...they were dead wrong about Jenkins last year.

As a grade I gave us a B-, we simply could have done better. We did make some great value picks though, but there were some real squanders too.
I understand your logic.

It will be interesting to see if Jenkins steps up this season. WRs can be slow to develop at the NFL level, and his development was even more limited last year due to the presence of Moss and Manningham, among other things. Not like he was forced into action untlil very late in the season. He has excellent speed and hands, and he's a rookie no more. Go time for him. IMHO
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Remember, Harbaugh and his coaching staff made some TEs at Stanford pretty successful. They knew enough to recruit those guys to Stanford in the first place, and then utilized them in games extensively and successfully.

So in this draft they decide to forgo drafting Eifert and Ertz, and others at TE, and decide to move up a little to take McDonald. He certainly appears to have the physical tools needed.

I believe MD would agree that we should all try to analyse the Niner's picks logically, and set aside whatever "draft crush" we may have developed predraft for any particular player. No question Eifert would have been an excellent selection, but it appears that McDonald may have as much, or even more potential, and his selection in the third round allowed them to fill team needs at FS and DE as well. Its difficult to logically find fault with that strategy.

Time will tell.

I really like Mike Mayock, but I have to admit, when he says the phrase, "My guy", I cringe. You simply lose objectivity in making an observation about a player. When that happens, you end up drafting a Danny Watkins, who graded so poorly during the Senior Bowl game, that I actually PM'd OTC after the game and said, "Did anyone else catch how bad he was in that game?" That puppy was screaming red flags, and he went on to be a first round disaster.

When you play favorites, you are going to be burned. And, as much as I hate Notre Dame, Eifert is a baller. All of that being said, McDonald is the most intriguing TE in this draft. The measurables of big/strong/fast all line up. Now, it is matter if it translates to the field.

Final note: Got to love Patton reporting early. Have a feeling he will not report out of shape, like AJ did last year. Some of these small schoolers are so hungry to make an impact, that they will run through a wall. Can't wait to see him play soon. Dare I say, I'd put money he and Tank will be the most impactful draftees from this 49ers class.

MD,

Speaking of Patton and small school guys. We picked up an undrafted FA CB by the name of Darryl Morris who really intrigues me. He played at Texas St. and I noticed that they went up against Louisiana Tech this year. Do you know of any way to watch that game? Would love to see this kid (tiny but absurdly fast) match-up against a bigger (but slower) Patton.
I am honestly confused as to why there is so much dislike of Reid on this board. Once we made that pick I was thoroughly elated. Reid, imo, was by far the best fit for our team's scheme in this draft. Dashon Goldson was by no means a "great" cover safety, but that is not what our defense requires. Much like what Goldson did, Reid will simply be asked to diagnose, run/pass, then either cover a deep half or take the responsibilty of a RB/flat. The skills that are needy for that are simple and Reid has them all. He is an extremely smart "field general". A simple job like this schemes safety, will allow Reid to come in "stop thinking" and simply use his athletecism to react. Reid has more range, more speed, and more smarts then Dashon Goldson did, and we made him an All-Pro. I would assume the 9ers are going to give Reid the same kind of assignments as a rookie that the Redskins gave Sean Williams, and while I dont think Reid is nearly the prospect Williams was, he could very well turn into that Rangy ballhawk taking away the back half of the field. Vaccarro is a better cover safety but I dont seem him as the physical/tough player we get in Reid.
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am honestly confused as to why there is so much dislike of Reid on this board. Once we made that pick I was thoroughly elated. Reid, imo, was by far the best fit for our team's scheme in this draft. Dashon Goldson was by no means a "great" cover safety, but that is not what our defense requires. Much like what Goldson did, Reid will simply be asked to diagnose, run/pass, then either cover a deep half or take the responsibilty of a RB/flat. The skills that are needy for that are simple and Reid has them all. He is an extremely smart "field general". A simple job like this schemes safety, will allow Reid to come in "stop thinking" and simply use his athletecism to react. Reid has more range, more speed, and more smarts then Dashon Goldson did, and we made him an All-Pro. I would assume the 9ers are going to give Reid the same kind of assignments as a rookie that the Redskins gave Sean Williams, and while I dont think Reid is nearly the prospect Williams was, he could very well turn into that Rangy ballhawk taking away the back half of the field. Vaccarro is a better cover safety but I dont seem him as the physical/tough player we get in Reid.

Because so many fans get locked into either the sexy/flashy pick or their draft crush. They also get into a locked phase of thinking that their evaluation is as good or greater than a teams. Of course of the teams is at the bottom, hard to argue that the guy might not be. However, when a team is successful, their argument is less qualified. Like those that think the Cyp or Elam is the same quality player. Not taking into account if the player fits the system.

Of course nothing is full proof, However, most of the analyst didn't pan the move up pick either. Especially the pros who have experience like Gil Brandt and Polian, not saying they are not infalliable, but their weight has more pull to me.

Ertz, JH and company knew all about him, if he is that impactful or dynamic they would have gone after him, but people can't believe that JH would pass on a guy that he helped recruit.
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am honestly confused as to why there is so much dislike of Reid on this board. Once we made that pick I was thoroughly elated. Reid, imo, was by far the best fit for our team's scheme in this draft. Dashon Goldson was by no means a "great" cover safety, but that is not what our defense requires. Much like what Goldson did, Reid will simply be asked to diagnose, run/pass, then either cover a deep half or take the responsibilty of a RB/flat. The skills that are needy for that are simple and Reid has them all. He is an extremely smart "field general". A simple job like this schemes safety, will allow Reid to come in "stop thinking" and simply use his athletecism to react. Reid has more range, more speed, and more smarts then Dashon Goldson did, and we made him an All-Pro. I would assume the 9ers are going to give Reid the same kind of assignments as a rookie that the Redskins gave Sean Williams, and while I dont think Reid is nearly the prospect Williams was, he could very well turn into that Rangy ballhawk taking away the back half of the field. Vaccarro is a better cover safety but I dont seem him as the physical/tough player we get in Reid.

Because so many fans get locked into either the sexy/flashy pick or their draft crush. They also get into a locked phase of thinking that their evaluation is as good or greater than a teams. Of course of the teams is at the bottom, hard to argue that the guy might not be. However, when a team is successful, their argument is less qualified. Like those that think the Cyp or Elam is the same quality player. Not taking into account if the player fits the system.

Of course nothing is full proof, However, most of the analyst didn't pan the move up pick either. Especially the pros who have experience like Gil Brandt and Polian, not saying they are not infalliable, but their weight has more pull to me.

Ertz, JH and company knew all about him, if he is that impactful or dynamic they would have gone after him, but people can't believe that JH would pass on a guy that he helped recruit.

Good post. When the draft approaches, I start spending quite a bit of time reading scouting reports and posting on this board, but I am way below average at actually knowing anything about the prospects. I don't even watch CFB. I had talked myself into Cyprien or Thomas as the best fits for us, but after seeing what Baalke did to get Reid, I reevaluated why I had come to my conclusions and thought harder about his fit on our team. It may seem like a cop-out to decide I like a move simply because the 49ers made it, but then of course their opinion is far more well-founded than mine!
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Nothing wrong with a B-. It means you hit on some players, missed on others. The draft grades that many experts give are inflated. Way too many A and B grades in my opinion. An average draft should be labeled a C grade. However, I think some see an average draft as a B grade.

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Reid excelled in 2011 with strong talent around him in the secondary. Once those prospects left for the NFL and the Honey Badger did his thing, it exposed Reid quite a bit.

That being said, Dashon Goldson really started developing into an "elite" free safety once we had stability in the secondary and front 7.

I think the 49ers logical approach is that Reid can thrive in his 1st year at the NFL level on a team with stability at nearly every position from the previous year. Once he learns the nuances of the game, the expectation is to become better and better each of the next couple of seasons...similar to Dashon's development.
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am honestly confused as to why there is so much dislike of Reid on this board. Once we made that pick I was thoroughly elated. Reid, imo, was by far the best fit for our team's scheme in this draft. Dashon Goldson was by no means a "great" cover safety, but that is not what our defense requires. Much like what Goldson did, Reid will simply be asked to diagnose, run/pass, then either cover a deep half or take the responsibilty of a RB/flat. The skills that are needy for that are simple and Reid has them all. He is an extremely smart "field general". A simple job like this schemes safety, will allow Reid to come in "stop thinking" and simply use his athletecism to react. Reid has more range, more speed, and more smarts then Dashon Goldson did, and we made him an All-Pro. I would assume the 9ers are going to give Reid the same kind of assignments as a rookie that the Redskins gave Sean Williams, and while I dont think Reid is nearly the prospect Williams was, he could very well turn into that Rangy ballhawk taking away the back half of the field. Vaccarro is a better cover safety but I dont seem him as the physical/tough player we get in Reid.

Because so many fans get locked into either the sexy/flashy pick or their draft crush. They also get into a locked phase of thinking that their evaluation is as good or greater than a teams. Of course of the teams is at the bottom, hard to argue that the guy might not be. However, when a team is successful, their argument is less qualified. Like those that think the Cyp or Elam is the same quality player. Not taking into account if the player fits the system.

Of course nothing is full proof, However, most of the analyst didn't pan the move up pick either. Especially the pros who have experience like Gil Brandt and Polian, not saying they are not infalliable, but their weight has more pull to me.

Ertz, JH and company knew all about him, if he is that impactful or dynamic they would have gone after him, but people can't believe that JH would pass on a guy that he helped recruit.

Don't understand the angst either. I really liked a couple of other safeties but in my mock draft stuck Reid in because he seemed the best fit for FS. If they had wanted a SS I believe they could have picked on of the other guys and gone after another position when trading up (TE, DE, etc). But the anti Reid stuff will stop when he plays himself into a starting job and becomes a legitimate NFL guy.

The idea that JH picked Reid because he had a crush on him from recruiting, flies in the face of not picking one of his TEs from Stanford. I'm really looking forward to Reid being able to cover better than Goldson in a year or two...won't take that much.
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
MD,

Speaking of Patton and small school guys. We picked up an undrafted FA CB by the name of Darryl Morris who really intrigues me. He played at Texas St. and I noticed that they went up against Louisiana Tech this year. Do you know of any way to watch that game? Would love to see this kid (tiny but absurdly fast) match-up against a bigger (but slower) Patton.


I saw that game. Kenny Dixon went HAM on Texas State. I don't know where you can find a copy of it, I'll look around online, that was a damn good game too, like watching Arena League Football in the NCAA. :P Mostly a quiet game for Patton though, I don't think he scored any touchdowns in that game, had a couple big receptions but mostly it was Dixon and Holley running the ball down TSU's throats and Cameron moving the ball around to a variety of receivers. I don't remember Morris playing all that much on Patton. Ton of offense and scoring in that game, it was a total track meet.


I can't find any specific clips bro, but this Darryl Morris highlight video has a couple plays from that game against Louisiana Tech. 4:43 mark is one of them. You can see Patton at the very top of the screen while Morris is defending on the other side of the field.




[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on May 2, 2013 at 8:41 PM ]
Originally posted by GEEK:
Reid excelled in 2011 with strong talent around him in the secondary. Once those prospects left for the NFL and the Honey Badger did his thing, it exposed Reid quite a bit.

That being said, Dashon Goldson really started developing into an "elite" free safety once we had stability in the secondary and front 7.

I think the 49ers logical approach is that Reid can thrive in his 1st year at the NFL level on a team with stability at nearly every position from the previous year. Once he learns the nuances of the game, the expectation is to become better and better each of the next couple of seasons...similar to Dashon's development.


This is hugely important. Reid is going to a damn talented defense, he's not going to be isolated or have too much responsibility placed on his shoulders like he had with LSU last season. The roster is loaded with defensive talent, Reid has to play a supporting role, not a starring one. If he can be solid in coverage, lay the wood, make some big plays here and there, that's all anyone could ask of him.
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. MadDog do you have scouting reports on players you watch film on? If so I would like to see Eric Reid scouting report, so I can understand why you seem to not be high on him.
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Originally posted by GEEK:
Reid excelled in 2011 with strong talent around him in the secondary. Once those prospects left for the NFL and the Honey Badger did his thing, it exposed Reid quite a bit.

That being said, Dashon Goldson really started developing into an "elite" free safety once we had stability in the secondary and front 7.

I think the 49ers logical approach is that Reid can thrive in his 1st year at the NFL level on a team with stability at nearly every position from the previous year. Once he learns the nuances of the game, the expectation is to become better and better each of the next couple of seasons...similar to Dashon's development.

Very good post. You are introducing a level of analytical complexity that is often ignored or just not recognized in our attempts to understand the draft.

Drafting a player requires a vision, hopefully preceptive, of how each draftee meshes and intertwines with the other members of a team.

In a sport that is often and correctly dubbed the ultimate team spot we tend to focus on the individuals drafted, and not how they add or subtract from the team.

Drafting is about building the team, and sometimes the talent of an individual player is just not the most important factor.

Individual talent is critical, but is not the only, or even the most important, factor in the construction of the team.

Look at three of the current disasters in the league, the NY Jets, the Philadelphia Eagles, and the Dallas Cowboys.
I will argue that that those disasters can be best understood by looking at self-serving attitudes of their talented players; Revis, Jackson, and Bryant.


Look, at our team. It is chock full of great players. And not one of them, places himself above the team.
A Justin Smith does not hold out; he plays hurt. Aldon Smith does not offer excuses; he plays hurt.

Willis does not throw anybody under any bus for any reason.

Willis and Bowman do feed fan frenzy by participating in a meaningless debate about who is better.

Our players seem to have a profound, and hard to find, understanding that football is a team game, and they are member of a team.
[ Edited by buck on May 2, 2013 at 9:55 PM ]
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Originally posted by buck:


Our players seem to have a profound, and hard to find, understanding that football is a team game, and they are member of a team.

"The team, the team, the team!"
MD,
You make some good points. However, I disagree that the Reid pick was made out of desperation.....more like out of need. I believe Reid was alway their top rated S and with Vacarro off the board they made their move to get their guy. Now had they given up more to move up then I could see the desperation
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