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PICK #2 (40): Guess The Player And Position To Be Addressed Next

PICK #2 (40): Guess The Player And Position To Be Addressed Next

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Ill also add that "Beast" Harvin you are talking about was less productive than Boldin at WR last season. Much less. and that "Beast" Austin is a 5-8 175 pound rookie.


Of course Harvin was less productive than Anquan, the guy didn't even want to play for the Vikings. He didn't want to play with Ponder cos he thought he was useless. He started blaming things on injuries, migranes and what not, they were all excuses in my opinion. He simply wasn't motivated and wanted to get the hell out of Minnesota. As for Austin, I am assuming he works out. I am not his fan, but still I can't ignore his records. Even if he is not ready as a WR, just his kick and punt return could kill you.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by KegBert:
Disagree with this.

The lack of depth at Defensive line witch killed our pass rush, exposing our secondary and consequently the crumbling of our defense in the playoffs, had way more to do with us losing the SB than lack of receiving options.


I disagree.

Remember, no matter how stout your D is, noone can stop a top offense. We were all taught a lesson, not just through our own experience but other teams too. Bronocs' D was ranked 3rd, well they got burnt by Jacoby Jones. Seahawks has arguably the top secondary and yet they got burnt by Julio Jones and Roddy White. Ultimately, it is not like our D is rubbish, but you need an offense that can put points on the board and outscore our opponents to win. Very often is down to that 1 play and you got to have top weapons that can make that play. Also, what is up with all our slow starts ? Our O needs to go out and dominate from the word go and not let up. And that is how we are going to win a Super Bowl !!

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

The first bolded part is not fact, its just opinion. Nobody is saying our D is rubbish, we had injuries to our 2 most important players on defense and the rest of the unit suffered greatly. This is exactly what I mean by lack of depth hurting us.

Our D was 3rd in scoring defense throughout the year, giving up only 18.2 PPG. After we where bit by the injury bug late in the year, our D gave up around 30 PPG in the playoffs. A huge drop off directly related to our lack of depth.

On the other hand we didn't have much of a problem putting up big numbers on offense in the playoffs, 45 points dropped on the pack, 28 points on Atl and 31 against Baltimore. To me, Its pretty clear that it wasn't the offense that was our problem in the playoffs, it was the lack of the defense being able to stop the opposing teams from scoring.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Ill also add that "Beast" Harvin you are talking about was less productive than Boldin at WR last season. Much less. and that "Beast" Austin is a 5-8 175 pound rookie.

LMFAO at Harvin N a midget rookie WR being "BEAST"...just run why u can Idaho rascal will never stop he's like rocky he has tha eye of tha hunter lol..for real though I can respect rascal atleast he does flip flop each week N day for a player of tha week like alot of others...
[ Edited by tatdwolf49 on Apr 26, 2013 at 2:02 AM ]
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Yet two top defensive teams played in the superbowl. We were 11th in scoreing last season, and thats after manningham, williams and hunter were injured, and with a QB taking over midseason. its only going to get better.


I am not saying don't draft on D. By the way, didn't we just move all the way up to 18th to draft Eric Reid ?

OK, if you don't like my comparison with RBs and QBs, then what about our own Anquan ? 2nd round, 54th overall pick. Brandon Marshall, 4th round, 120th overall pick. Jacoby Jones, 3rd round, 73rd overall pick. Torrey Smith, 2nd round, 58th overall pick. That should be enough examples right ?

Your not addressing anything. Like i said, i am well aware that a wr can come in out of the second a produce. But all you keep saying is that we need more wr's to compete in the division, in order to hang with the WR;s on other teams within the division. That is the most rediculous thing i have heard of in a long time. You continue to ignore that we currently have two very good WR's as starters. You continue to ignore that Kaep is only gonna get better. You say a defense cant beat top flight offenses, and say that we need to have a more productive offense to do so, but ignore the fact we beat GB twice, NE, and ATL all last season.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Ill also add that "Beast" Harvin you are talking about was less productive than Boldin at WR last season. Much less. and that "Beast" Austin is a 5-8 175 pound rookie.

Not if you look at total stats. Receiving, rushing, and returning combined Harvin was way more productive than Boldin was last year. He also played 7 less games.

I like Boldin a lot and all but he doesn't cancel out our need for a WR, especially since he, Williams, and Manningham may all be gone after this year. I also don't think Manningham will do much of anything this year and possibly miss the first 6 games. If Jenkins pans out then imagine him in the slot with Hunter and Crabtree on the outside.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Ill also add that "Beast" Harvin you are talking about was less productive than Boldin at WR last season. Much less. and that "Beast" Austin is a 5-8 175 pound rookie.


Of course Harvin was less productive than Anquan, the guy didn't even want to play for the Vikings. He didn't want to play with Ponder cos he thought he was useless. He started blaming things on injuries, migranes and what not, they were all excuses in my opinion. He simply wasn't motivated and wanted to get the hell out of Minnesota. As for Austin, I am assuming he works out. I am not his fan, but still I can't ignore his records. Even if he is not ready as a WR, just his kick and punt return could kill you.

Yet harvin hasnt had the migraine issues in several seasons....Just stop dude. Your making stuff up now that isaint even factual.
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Justin Hunter would probably start the season as our #3 WR. If Boldin doesn't produce more than Moss was then Hunter would be the #2 (unless Jenkins starts lighting it up).
Also with Kaepernick we'll be seeing a lot more 3 and 4 WR sets and less 2 TE sets.


You are spot on btthepunk !!! Very well said !!!

Hunter will most likely be No. 3 at least right off the bat. And your prediction on running 3 WR sets is way on point !! Basically, with Kaep being more experienced now, we ain't playing anymore. We are going to fully utilize and capitalize on Kaep's immense talent. Kaep was already winging it last season. We saw it with our own eyes, there were so many more passing plays than before. I can't wait until next season, if we give him all the right weapons, Mark my word, Kaep is going blow things up !!
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Yet harvin hasnt had the migraine issues in several seasons....Just stop dude. Your making stuff up now that isaint even factual.


I am sorry, are you saying I am making things up that Harvin didn't want to get the hell out of Minnesota ?? Didn't he ask to be traded ??
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Ill also add that "Beast" Harvin you are talking about was less productive than Boldin at WR last season. Much less. and that "Beast" Austin is a 5-8 175 pound rookie.

Not if you look at total stats. Receiving, rushing, and returning combined Harvin was way more productive than Boldin was last year. He also played 7 less games.

I like Boldin a lot and all but he doesn't cancel out our need for a WR, especially since he, Williams, and Manningham may all be gone after this year. I also don't think Manningham will do much of anything this year and possibly miss the first 6 games. If Jenkins pans out then imagine him in the slot with Hunter and Crabtree on the outside.

But we arent talking about ST. We are talking about WR's, and even if you just go by average, Boldin was the much better WR. His average was 4 yards better. Not bad for an over the hill WR who was neglected most of his time in Baltimore instead of utilized to his full potential. Also manningham is under contract beyond this season. The only was he is gone is if we choose to release him. I can say the same thing about contracts on the secondary. Brown and Nhamdi.

You guys pushing for a WR are reaching bigtime. Its simply not a huge need right now.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Yet harvin hasnt had the migraine issues in several seasons....Just stop dude. Your making stuff up now that isaint even factual.


I am sorry, are you saying I am making things up that Harvin didn't want to get the hell out of Minnesota ?? Didn't he ask to be traded ??

No. You said he as useing migraines as an excuse. He didnt have a migraine issue since his rookie season. You brought up ponder. Ponder wasnt even on the roster when harvin as having migraine issues.
[ Edited by IdahoNiner on Apr 26, 2013 at 2:09 AM ]
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Yet harvin hasnt had the migraine issues in several seasons....Just stop dude. Your making stuff up now that isaint even factual.


I am sorry, are you saying I am making things up that Harvin didn't want to get the hell out of Minnesota ?? Didn't he ask to be traded ??

Plus it was a legit ankle injury that put him out. He was an early season candidate for offensive player of the year and was on his way to his best season yet. His average per game was higher than Boldins. If Harvin only played 2 or 3 more games his receiving stats would have been better than Boldins were.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Ill also add that "Beast" Harvin you are talking about was less productive than Boldin at WR last season. Much less. and that "Beast" Austin is a 5-8 175 pound rookie.

Not if you look at total stats. Receiving, rushing, and returning combined Harvin was way more productive than Boldin was last year. He also played 7 less games.

I like Boldin a lot and all but he doesn't cancel out our need for a WR, especially since he, Williams, and Manningham may all be gone after this year. I also don't think Manningham will do much of anything this year and possibly miss the first 6 games. If Jenkins pans out then imagine him in the slot with Hunter and Crabtree on the outside.

But we arent talking about ST. We are talking about WR's, and even if you just go by average, Boldin was the much better WR. His average was 4 yards better. Not bad for an over the hill WR who was neglected most of his time in Baltimore instead of utilized to his full potential. Also manningham is under contract beyond this season. The only was he is gone is if we choose to release him. I can say the same thing about contracts on the secondary. Brown and Nhamdi.

You guys pushing for a WR are reaching bigtime. Its simply not a huge need right now.

Manningham only signed a 2 year contract. He'll be an unrestricted free agent after the season. If Harvin hadn't been hurt his receiving stats would have blown Boldins away.

Pushing for more defense because Justin and Aldon got hurt is reaching too. They'll both be ready for training camp and those guys won't be coming off the field much at all. The egg our offense laid in the first half of the superbowl is more to blame for the loss than the defense is. The Ravens were playing with the lead making it infinitely harder on the defense.
[ Edited by btthepunk on Apr 26, 2013 at 2:17 AM ]
Jesse Williams.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Justin Hunter would probably start the season as our #3 WR. If Boldin doesn't produce more than Moss was then Hunter would be the #2 (unless Jenkins starts lighting it up).
Also with Kaepernick we'll be seeing a lot more 3 and 4 WR sets and less 2 TE sets.


You are spot on btthepunk !!! Very well said !!!

Hunter will most likely be No. 3 at least right off the bat. And your prediction on running 3 WR sets is way on point !! Basically, with Kaep being more experienced now, we ain't playing anymore. We are going to fully utilize and capitalize on Kaep's immense talent. Kaep was already winging it last season. We saw it with our own eyes, there were so many more passing plays than before. I can't wait until next season, if we give him all the right weapons, Mark my word, Kaep is going blow things up !!

I must disagree hunter wont be #3 WR h*ll he'll be lucky if he's #5 WR behind Williams , manningham N yea AJ ..
[ Edited by tatdwolf49 on Apr 26, 2013 at 2:18 AM ]
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Justin Hunter would probably start the season as our #3 WR. If Boldin doesn't produce more than Moss was then Hunter would be the #2 (unless Jenkins starts lighting it up).
Also with Kaepernick we'll be seeing a lot more 3 and 4 WR sets and less 2 TE sets.


You are spot on btthepunk !!! Very well said !!!

Hunter will most likely be No. 3 at least right off the bat. And your prediction on running 3 WR sets is way on point !! Basically, with Kaep being more experienced now, we ain't playing anymore. We are going to fully utilize and capitalize on Kaep's immense talent. Kaep was already winging it last season. We saw it with our own eyes, there were so many more passing plays than before. I can't wait until next season, if we give him all the right weapons, Mark my word, Kaep is going blow things up !!

I must disagree hunter wont be #3 WR h*ll he'll be lucky if he's #5 WR behind Williams N maningham N yea AJ ..

Put the weed down.