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My predictions about niners' strategy

Originally posted by buck:
Who knows where he will get picked, but there are plenty of questions about Patterson.

One year wonder.
Three schools in three years.
Bad interviews
Questionable work habits
Bad understanding of route tree
Does not get the separation he should with his speed.

But, at the end of the day, I still think he is taken in the first round.

He'll get taken in the first round based on potential alone, but I want no part of him. People got mad because Jenkins was a project and Patterson is infinitely more raw. Sloppy route runner, supposedly pretty immature, very little track record to show for with only one season at Tennessee........there's people trying to push him as the next Julio Jones but I really don't see that, I see a guy who will likely struggle a lot his rookie season and has some major bust potential.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I absolutely disagree with this. There's a bevy of quality receivers in the 1st and 2nd rounds, and the 49ers have already talked with a couple of them. I wouldn't want them to draft Patterson to begin with.


Agree with you. As much as Tavon Austin and Cordy Patterson excite me, I see the Niners staying put and drafting two WRs in this years draft. There are many WRs to choose from in the second round. Why not augment that with Marquess Wilson out of WSU in the later rounds as a project player?

I could live with Patton and Wilson as our WR selections this year.
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Yup, seems like you're right. I'll retract my statement


Not a problem.

The fact is that team had a nose tackle on the field for about 50% of the snaps, which is a substantially more than 30% or 31%.

There have been many draft projections made based upon the erroneous assumption that Sopoaga's snap count equals the team's nose tackle snap count.

I do think that the extending of Ian Williams indicates a certain level of confidence that he can man the nose, but I am not sure how deep that confidence is.

Just think, we will find out soon.

Your point is well taken. Perhaps I under-estimated the improtance of a NT. But I do think the team feels that Ian Williams/Glenn Dorsey is not a downgrade from Ice/RJF
Originally posted by WildBill:
Drafting done in the past with past regimes cannot be factored into how this regime will draft. An example, Nolan and Scott only drafted big bodied players, they never would have drafted a Hunter or even a LMJ.

Drafting a saftey late, like Dashon or even Mr. Funky chicken dance himself, Merton Hanks, they sat on the bench 2+ years before they got to the level they did. They watched and learned. Because of the edition of NA, it gives them flexibility I grant you that, they could move Culliver to Safety if necessary and draft another CB like Amerson or Mathieu later. Or they could still go with a Safety earlier. And a corner later. The same theory of drafting a saftey later could be applied to WR if you are going to use past history. John Taylor, Dwight Clark, or T.O.

Also, Baalke, in the early rounds has shown a penchant for drafting players that produced and not one year wonders. Like Aldon, produced one year and in an injured filled last year that required him to jump around the line, still produced somewhat. Kentwann Balmer types need not apply in the early rounds. Hunter, LMJ and Kaep also produced through several seasons.

As for the theory about the DT/NT only playing 30%, I think it all depends on the talent level of the person they draft, Soap and RJ were late round picks and only asked to do one thing, hold the point of attack and take on blockers on run downs. They were not known as penetrators. If the niners find one that they feel can be like a Suh w/o the baggage, that person might see more than 30%, he may play NT in base then slide over to Justin or McD position in relief. This may not be what they usually ask their man to do, but if the person has the talent, I am sure they will improvise to keep the opponents guessing and having to adapt their schemes. In fact, talent wise, if they get pick one with one of the first two picks, chances are the line will be better than it was in the middle and on the line as a whole.

I still think that a DL is possible, but maybe one to rush the passer if not to handle the middle, if not to relieve Justin or McD, then to relieve the OLB or both. The niners will look at the talent and not be held to conventional wisdom of what the player is labeled, 3T, 5T etc., just like Miller.

Not using past draft history for my Safety prediction. Just the talent level this year. Don't like any early safeties, and can't imagine the team loves any of them. At least not to a point where everyone in the building agrees. Too much talent will be available at 31 and 34 that will simply be the BPA at other positions.
  • KK49
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Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
1) The team doesn't like early safeties and plans on drafting a few later in the draft
2) The team plans to use a late 2nd on a CB, and knows a good one will be available (Hayden, Alford, Wreh-Wilson, Matheau, etc.)
3) The team plans on using most of the 14 picks. I'm guessing at least 10
4) Risks will be taken (Patterson, Matheu, Hayden, Kelce). With so many draft picks and enough talent already on the team, a few medical/character risks are likely
5) DL is not as big of a concern to the team as the media thinks. The team will not reach for a DE
6) A NT will not be taken, or will be taken late. As pointed out earlier, the NT simply doesn't play in our system enough to warrant an early pick
7) At least 3-4 DBs will be drafted
8) Offense will be targeted earlier than most think
10) The team will look for small school, late round OTs, as they have done in the past
11) Pass rush is a bigger need than the media realizes. Don't be surprised to see an OLB taken early (top 5 picks)
12) No QB, no interior OL

I have reasons for all these guesses, but they are obviously just guesses :)

1. absolutely can happen ( deep safety draft)
2. may be.. but. i can see a surprise OLB here (Like everyone's favorite J. Collins)
3. Yes. we gonna need extra bodies next year
4. They better . Now is the time for risk taking... and we have the opportunity to get away with it
5. As much I hate this I think I have to agree with u . we got Dorsey and have Williams , they may wait another year for Justin replacement. but someone falls they will draft him.
6. yes. same as 5
7. yes. atleast 2 , and some undrafted
8. that may be the surprise this year , when it seems we have really big needs on defense , but the draft is deep defensively.
9. wait .. where is 9.. ok i will give u 9.. more like a suggestion. why dont he get the 7 rounders and turn them into 6 or even 5 rounders next year , i hope we invest into our future drafts as we have done before.
10. dont care..
11. Totally. see my 2
12. dont care. hope so
Originally posted by KK49:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
1) The team doesn't like early safeties and plans on drafting a few later in the draft
2) The team plans to use a late 2nd on a CB, and knows a good one will be available (Hayden, Alford, Wreh-Wilson, Matheau, etc.)
3) The team plans on using most of the 14 picks. I'm guessing at least 10
4) Risks will be taken (Patterson, Matheu, Hayden, Kelce). With so many draft picks and enough talent already on the team, a few medical/character risks are likely
5) DL is not as big of a concern to the team as the media thinks. The team will not reach for a DE
6) A NT will not be taken, or will be taken late. As pointed out earlier, the NT simply doesn't play in our system enough to warrant an early pick
7) At least 3-4 DBs will be drafted
8) Offense will be targeted earlier than most think
10) The team will look for small school, late round OTs, as they have done in the past
11) Pass rush is a bigger need than the media realizes. Don't be surprised to see an OLB taken early (top 5 picks)
12) No QB, no interior OL

I have reasons for all these guesses, but they are obviously just guesses :)

1. absolutely can happen ( deep safety draft)
2. may be.. but. i can see a surprise OLB here (Like everyone's favorite J. Collins)
3. Yes. we gonna need extra bodies next year
4. They better . Now is the time for risk taking... and we have the opportunity to get away with it
5. As much I hate this I think I have to agree with u . we got Dorsey and have Williams , they may wait another year for Justin replacement. but someone falls they will draft him.
6. yes. same as 5
7. yes. atleast 2 , and some undrafted
8. that may be the surprise this year , when it seems we have really big needs on defense , but the draft is deep defensively.
9. wait .. where is 9.. ok i will give u 9.. more like a suggestion. why dont he get the 7 rounders and turn them into 6 or even 5 rounders next year , i hope we invest into our future drafts as we have done before.
10. dont care..
11. Totally. see my 2
12. dont care. hope so

While your #9 is better than mine, at least based on existence, you need to consider that 2 of our 7's are compensatory. They are not tradable.